tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1416140106688443350..comments2024-03-28T15:48:23.186-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: PIE Urheimat poll: two or three options leftDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger200125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49924791005004546662019-01-15T10:54:17.544-08:002019-01-15T10:54:17.544-08:00@Synome
There are actually, if I gathered the ri...@Synome <br /><br />There are actually, if I gathered the right info, only two skeletal remains available from the Netherlands. A woman and a man buried in a very, very non-typical way for SGC, but tightly associated with a settlement which is clearly Corded Ware. The rest of the Dutch CWC burials, again if I'm right, are all dissolved to corpse silhouettes, which do give info on the burial epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57761592292945482512019-01-14T17:38:13.876-08:002019-01-14T17:38:13.876-08:00In Paraguay and Brazil (a case of 100% male conque...In Paraguay and Brazil (a case of 100% male conquest) the conquerors adopted the language of the tupi-guarani natives because the Iberians engaged in polygamy with the native women and the kids learned the language of their mothers.<br />Paraguay is still 100% Spanish Guarani bilingual and Brazil was Tupi speaking for 2 centuries. El Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13542765792516291356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20940873625779624682019-01-13T03:41:06.720-08:002019-01-13T03:41:06.720-08:00qpAdm:
Baltic_BA - 14.5% (2.7-26.3%)
Global 25:
V...qpAdm:<br />Baltic_BA - 14.5% (2.7-26.3%)<br /><br />Global 25:<br />Varna_o <br />Ukraine_Eneolithic:I6561 42.4%<br />Trypillia 35%<br />Baltic_BA 22.6%<br /> <br />Distance 3.8771%Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41168555417006722262019-01-13T03:31:33.226-08:002019-01-13T03:31:33.226-08:00@ Davidski
Thanks!
Varna_o
Sredny_Stog
Trypillia
...@ Davidski<br />Thanks!<br /><br />Varna_o<br />Sredny_Stog<br />Trypillia<br /><br />chisq: 8.271 tail: 0.763634757<br /><br />best coefficients: 0.624 0.376 <br /> std. errors: 0.059 0.059<br /><br />vs.<br /><br />Varna_o<br />Baltic_BA<br />Sredny_Stog<br />Trypillia<br /><br />chisq: 6.785 tail: 0.816205595<br /><br /><br />best coefficients:Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16399390342927519482019-01-12T16:15:40.975-08:002019-01-12T16:15:40.975-08:00@All
I don't want any discussions about Aryan...@All<br /><br />I don't want any discussions about Aryans on this blog unless this is firmly done in the context of linguistics.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43607761273197038432019-01-12T04:12:31.797-08:002019-01-12T04:12:31.797-08:00I dont really understand that fascination to link ...I dont really understand that fascination to link a Language with an Ancestry instead of a Lineage. Ancestry can be biased by sample bias and timeframe. Typical exemple: Sidelkino is the oldest EHG individual that we have and he shows CHG, then the Samara individual is a little younger and shows no CHG ancestry, then people are writing a story that CHG ancestry might have expand in a later time Halfalphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007474929603167555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17246355697119540022019-01-12T02:43:16.432-08:002019-01-12T02:43:16.432-08:00Kelteminar was like Botai but with some Iran_N adm...Kelteminar was like Botai but with some Iran_N admixture.<br /><br />There are samples like that already available from Gonur. They're obviously migrants from the north and might even be from Kelteminar.<br /><br />Nothing to do with Yamnaya.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41198709645495995732019-01-12T02:15:54.717-08:002019-01-12T02:15:54.717-08:00But maybe CHG ancestry of Yamna came from keltemin...But maybe CHG ancestry of Yamna came from kelteminar area from central-south kazakhstan.Botai was populate the west siberian steppe,not all east caspian lands.<br />Also,as I know,the genetic structure of kelteminar is still not analyze.Memhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18187296722668110917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38429833487467049392019-01-11T18:35:00.823-08:002019-01-11T18:35:00.823-08:00@Matt Thomas
Reality check...
The excess Baloch/...@Matt Thomas<br /><br />Reality check...<br /><br />The excess Baloch/Gedrosian ancestry in Northwestern Europeans is an artifact of the analysis run by Dienekes Pontikos with the ADMIXTURE software.<br /><br />The output from the analysis was wrongly interpreted by Dienekes and many others, because of their lack of understanding that ADMIXTURE runs were not formal mixture analyses.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16290464647944866932019-01-11T18:08:31.335-08:002019-01-11T18:08:31.335-08:00PIE is from the Don-Caspian Steppe and Pre-PIE is ...PIE is from the Don-Caspian Steppe and Pre-PIE is from Eastern side of the Caspian Sea, most likely modern day Kazhakhstan. <br /><br />It is pretty evident, if you look at the ancestry of a modern day Norwegian or British Individual, they have higher Baloch/Gedrosian ancestry. If the expansion was from the South of Caucusus, the Baloch/Gedrosian type ancestry would not be present at high levels.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073556090970796476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32936581841167580682019-01-11T13:44:27.438-08:002019-01-11T13:44:27.438-08:00@Samuel
"I'd like to know stuff like pop...@Samuel<br /><br />"<i>I'd like to know stuff like population density, did Beaker folk live in isolated niches or did they dominate regions, nature of trade & immigration, how & why did Beaker tribes so often migrate and settle in new land.</i>"<br /><br />I think every archaeologist would like to know that as well. We don't know much about the past. Which exactly is whyepochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54369517563475047082019-01-11T08:25:01.938-08:002019-01-11T08:25:01.938-08:00@Synome "It's much tidier to have CW ance...@Synome "It's much tidier to have CW ancestral to Balto-Slavic, Germanic..."<br /><br />Germanic is a mixed by-and-large Centum language from Bell Beaker R1b elements with Satem Corded Ware R1a1 elements, whereas a large proportion of up to 1/3 of its vocabulary derives from either the SHG/WHG lexome of the Ertebolle Culture and/or the farmer vocabulary of the LBK.Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39594801582397693942019-01-11T07:07:30.694-08:002019-01-11T07:07:30.694-08:00@Dopa & Davidski
Yes, late Dutch Single Grave...@Dopa & Davidski<br /><br />Yes, late Dutch Single Grave culture buried with battle axes. So yes, there is an issue to watch there. epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45818632235765089662019-01-11T07:06:34.509-08:002019-01-11T07:06:34.509-08:00I think the western CW fringe is a plausible origi...I think the western CW fringe is a plausible origin of the Eastern Beakers. I'll do some more reading on it.<br /><br />However, a CW origin of all steppe bearing Beakers is harder to square with the linguistic evidence. Beaker derived Unetice, Urnfield etc. are typically thought of as the ancestral cultures for Italo-Celtic speakers.<br /><br />It's much tidier to have CW ancestral to Synomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02168979109558144980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9887376067494190102019-01-11T06:05:59.315-08:002019-01-11T06:05:59.315-08:00@Davidski
"Is there any evidence that this s...@Davidski<br /><br />"<i>Is there any evidence that this sample might represent a totally new population in the Tui region that eventually replaced the late Corded Ware Single Grave people there?</i>"<br /><br />Not that I know off. There aren't much finds from the area though. What I do know is that All Over Corded and All Over Ornamented beakers not only popped up in noted beaker epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15548121727929743722019-01-11T04:40:20.819-08:002019-01-11T04:40:20.819-08:00@Dopa
Then where are the Battle-Axes in Beaker gr...@Dopa<br /><br /><i>Then where are the Battle-Axes in Beaker graves?</i><br /><br />I don't know? But keep in mind that I was talking about Single Grave Cored Ware not Battle-Axe Corded Ware.<br /><br />So, did the Late Vlaardingen Single Grave groups from West Frisia use Battle-Axes as grave goods?<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8682389233125277192019-01-11T04:23:25.758-08:002019-01-11T04:23:25.758-08:00@Davidski
Then where are the Battle-Axes in Beake...@Davidski<br /><br />Then where are the Battle-Axes in Beaker graves?Schizoanalysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10670592254338229790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-404904220697913712019-01-11T01:58:46.029-08:002019-01-11T01:58:46.029-08:00@epoch
Beaker_The_Netherlands I5748, dated to 257...@epoch<br /><br />Beaker_The_Netherlands I5748, dated to 2579–2233 calBCE, is one of the oldest C14 dated Beakers in the Olalde et al. dataset. <br /><br />This individual also belongs to R1b-P312. So he's a Beaker alright.<br /><br />Is there any evidence that this sample might represent a totally new population in the Tui region that eventually replaced the late Corded Ware Single Grave Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36882196018496598302019-01-11T01:21:58.208-08:002019-01-11T01:21:58.208-08:00@Dragos
Never mind, they are in Olalde et al. Jus...@Dragos<br /><br />Never mind, they <i>are</i> in Olalde et al. Just not in the XL sheet.epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25002646616232963682019-01-11T00:31:37.347-08:002019-01-11T00:31:37.347-08:00@Dragos
"Hey did anyone notice that I51...@Dragos<br /> <br /><br />"<i>Hey did anyone notice that I5117 and I5118 are from Kurgan burials in Hungary (33-3000 BC)? They're both G2a2. Isotopic analysis from an different study showed that earlier Kurgan burials had isotopic "local" signatures, whilst later ones seemed distant.</i>"<br /><br />Where are they published? Can't find them in Olalde's BB paper epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55340086673806740332019-01-11T00:10:35.060-08:002019-01-11T00:10:35.060-08:00Bob Floy
"It's certainly happened with m...Bob Floy<br /><br />"It's certainly happened with most of the major religions."<br /><br />right but before mass communication mostly via (small numbers of) people: traders, soldiers, missionaries etc.<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-515860532571029222019-01-11T00:06:42.291-08:002019-01-11T00:06:42.291-08:00Samuel Andrews
"Beaker R1b P312 tribes were l...Samuel Andrews<br />"Beaker R1b P312 tribes were large in number & loud. There were tons of them. They overwhelmed western Europe. This makes it hard to imagine their ancestors were quite & small in number when living in eastern Europe."<br /><br />mu understanding is that at least some of the time BB lived as a separate population within pre-existing farmer settlements which toGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84707154578505488562019-01-10T23:17:56.266-08:002019-01-10T23:17:56.266-08:00@ Davidski
That's true, however even earlier m...@ Davidski<br />That's true, however even earlier mounds, kurgans & monuments are found near Moldova and Romania :)<br />My point was mostly related to local successions, and slightly tongue-in-cheek', but those R1b-V1636 arent very common anwhere. <br /><br />I'm pretty sure more Hungarian & Balkan Kurgan genomes will appear this year. Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67120531065650971302019-01-10T22:23:11.281-08:002019-01-10T22:23:11.281-08:00@All,
Please get one of the Bell Beaker enthusias...@All,<br /><br />Please get one of the Bell Beaker enthusiasts to edit the "Genetic studies" section of Beaker culture wikipedia page. <br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaker_cultureSamuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51238797184218534662019-01-10T22:07:11.164-08:002019-01-10T22:07:11.164-08:00There is a paper on the late Neolithic transition ...There is a paper on the late Neolithic transition in Switzerland in the make and I recall seeing some pictures from a presentation showing it has some Corded Ware samples. Anyone know when that one is due? Any rumours about it?epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.com