tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1423978915257571920..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: The Uralic cline with kra001 - no projection this timeDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger772125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14744199195638139412023-11-28T06:21:31.359-08:002023-11-28T06:21:31.359-08:00So what exactly do this mean? We know already that...So what exactly do this mean? We know already that a group of Neo Siberians migrated westward from Siberia during the bronze age and went as far as Scandinavia(and their language supposedly survived to the 10th century as paleo-laplandic and paleo-lakelandic), and this new sample is clearly one of the migrating neo siberians at the time, but why it has to be Uralic? none of the modern Neo Erik Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05960570297278544377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72884121831955844632021-04-04T01:44:40.486-07:002021-04-04T01:44:40.486-07:00I also want to add to my comments re the steppe_en...I also want to add to my comments re the steppe_en qpAdm model pasted above<br /><br />details: Georgia_Kotias.SG Russia_MA1_HG.SG -0.007532 -10.815322<br />details: Russia_HG_Karelia Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.005029 7.266309<br />dscore: Russia_MA1_HG.SG f4: -0.001730 Z: -3.215880<br /><br />The other ancestry with significant generated dstats is with regard to MA1. vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1148348563769708012021-03-18T15:46:05.177-07:002021-03-18T15:46:05.177-07:00@Michalis Moriopoulous,
I beg to disagree.To me g...@Michalis Moriopoulous,<br /><br />I beg to disagree.To me geneticists too often use pop. genetics terms way too loosely in interviews, hence confusing people who are not familiar with genetic studies. The point is, that ANF was distinct from Natufians/Levantine Neo no matter that they shared some "components" from thousands of years before the Neolithic. Besides, you seriously think Wise dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04528558596323917503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34837165858713193212021-03-15T08:05:06.552-07:002021-03-15T08:05:06.552-07:00@Ric Hern “ If going by what you say that Genes do...@Ric Hern “ If going by what you say that Genes do not always equal Culture then what will you say about this question ? <br /><br />How can all Cultural finds of supposedly Modern Humans be attributed to Modern Humans if there are no bones available from many sites to study the Morphology/Anatomy of their creators ? Not to mention Genes to clarify the picture ? Then adoption of culture could Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36070714156418179782021-03-15T00:47:43.049-07:002021-03-15T00:47:43.049-07:00@Davidski
Yeah, the mods are very strict over the...@Davidski<br /><br />Yeah, the mods are very strict over there; even I've gotten warnings over this kind of thing and I CO-FOUNDED the place. I understand how frustrating it can be to deal with folks who can't or won't grapple with the preponderance of evidence, but I wouldn't let him tempt you into breaking the rules. It just isn't worth getting perma-banned at AG over this Michalis Moriopouloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874041332836626074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10011924835444298052021-03-14T23:39:09.505-07:002021-03-14T23:39:09.505-07:00@ Andrzejewski
If going by what you say that Gen...@ Andrzejewski <br /><br />If going by what you say that Genes do not always equal Culture then what will you say about this question ? <br /><br />How can all Cultural finds of supposedly Modern Humans be attributed to Modern Humans if there are no bones available from many sites to study the Morphology/Anatomy of their creators ? Not to mention Genes to clarify the picture ? Then adoption of Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23260287101484844032021-03-14T22:48:31.008-07:002021-03-14T22:48:31.008-07:00@Copper Axe
For being a little too honest about J...@Copper Axe<br /><br />For being a little too honest about Jaakko's IQ.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36639772154030330212021-03-14T22:26:47.482-07:002021-03-14T22:26:47.482-07:00@Andrzejewski
"Aren’t Northwest Caucasians W...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />"Aren’t Northwest Caucasians WSH because of Catacomb and Poltava?"<br />That's Northeast, Dags specifically. <br /><br />"Recently someone posted here that Georgians have 15% Yamnaya, 55% CHG and 30%,"<br />Who posted that? The currently available West Georgian samples are about 2% Yamnaya max if you model them with bassal components. <br />Now, I CrMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12360895607673279887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53337772319670870572021-03-14T21:14:04.284-07:002021-03-14T21:14:04.284-07:00If Poles are 55% WSH: 30% EEF : 15% WHG, then we h...If Poles are 55% WSH: 30% EEF : 15% WHG, then we have twice as much Steppe than Anatolian. Previously, I thought the ratio was almost even (CWC males marrying GAC women). <br /><br />Nevertheless, the fact that Finns are pre-eminently Indo-European autosomally, on top of the tremendous amount of Steppe in Basques and Etruscans/Villanovans and Northwest Caucasian (and the fact that Semitic people Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75282951638352861892021-03-14T17:32:52.198-07:002021-03-14T17:32:52.198-07:00Speaking of Uralic languages...
@Davidski
Your b...Speaking of Uralic languages...<br /><br />@Davidski<br /><br />Your boy is talking shit on AG:<br /><br />"Davidski banned me from his blog because I'm too scientific, so we can continue here."<br /><br />Lmao.<br /><br />Why is your account there listed as suspended anyways if you dont mind me asking?<br />Copper Axehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18151330482350752712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7076103045838535442021-03-14T17:30:56.795-07:002021-03-14T17:30:56.795-07:00@Andrzejewski
Uralic languages have several words...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />Uralic languages have several words with an etymological root derived from Aryan so you can assume that the ethnonym was in use during Proto-Indo-Iranian times.<br /><br />Cimmerians are like first/second generation migrants out of Siberia, bringing the deer stone traditions with them.<br /><br />They either spoke Iranic, or a non-IE language perhaps related to Yeniseian.Copper Axehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18151330482350752712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80820687402154490332021-03-14T11:35:50.704-07:002021-03-14T11:35:50.704-07:00@ Dave
I am French. Recently a friend email you ...@ Dave<br /><br /> I am French. Recently a friend email you my genome file to get my G25 coordinates.<br />I must say that the G25 results with vahaduo are extraordinarily accurate and match perfectly my genealogy from different places of France. I'm just amazed. <br /><br />Congratulations for your great work and thanks a lot! <br /><br />J.S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02333765573671985337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85994588238530875642021-03-14T09:40:42.880-07:002021-03-14T09:40:42.880-07:00Re; Narasimhan paper and Reich group on South Cent...Re; Narasimhan paper and Reich group on South Central Asia, kind of agree with others in thread that group are going a bit beyond what they have all the data for (somewhat understandably in a way but might be useful to have more cautions).<br /><br />I have a lot of reservations about the models of Eneolithic and Copper Age (pre-BMAC) Central Asia even as IranN+WSHG+AnatolianN. <br /><br />The p Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71200841204300409702021-03-14T07:26:27.440-07:002021-03-14T07:26:27.440-07:00Re: Scythians, Sarmatians and Andronovo:
It recen...Re: Scythians, Sarmatians and Andronovo:<br /><br />It recently occurred to me that the term “Aryan” might’ve been an endonym that Andronovo Horizon Culture used to refer to themselves, before branching out. Any proof to that?<br /><br />I also read some ignorant comment on Wikipedia, claiming that Sintashta was 15% Anatolian; shouldn’t it be at least twice of that, ranging between 30% -40%, likeAndrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45229495705254275472021-03-14T07:16:57.225-07:002021-03-14T07:16:57.225-07:00@CrM “It's a LARP. They're Slavs with some...@CrM “It's a LARP. They're Slavs with sometimes a bit of Turkic and Caucasian ancestry. Some even go as far as to claim Scythian ancestry to justify their presence in Krasnodar and mark the surviving Northwest Caucasians as invaders who committed a genocide on the Scythians in their "original homeland". <br /><br />Speaking of which, all Northwest Caucasians harbor a good amountAndrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35369775356306310662021-03-14T05:44:54.225-07:002021-03-14T05:44:54.225-07:00Davidski:
“Every relevant genetic analysis shows c...Davidski:<br />“Every relevant genetic analysis shows clearly that they're the descendants of the local Bronze Age population and have no Scandinavian ancestry.”<br /><br />If that was the case, you would have given me a genetic study which shows that. But there is no such study so far. So, are you claiming that genetic studies are not relevant, but only your own results are relevant?<br /><Jaakko Häkkinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03088022045546791438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91770271696261022772021-03-14T05:31:34.441-07:002021-03-14T05:31:34.441-07:00Anthony Hanken:
“BOO is dated to 3500ybp. This is ...Anthony Hanken:<br />“BOO is dated to 3500ybp. This is after Late Proto-Uralic.BOO is dated to 3500ybp. This is after Late Proto-Uralic.”<br /><br />That is the dating of the remains, yes. That is not the dating of the Siberian gene flow, which must be earlier. Around 1500 BC the closest West Uralic speakers were still in the Upper Volga region.<br /><br />Anthony Hanken:<br />“It's not Jaakko Häkkinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03088022045546791438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72619642971792722082021-03-14T01:50:05.857-08:002021-03-14T01:50:05.857-08:00@Andrzejewski
"Cossacks distinguish themselv...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />"Cossacks distinguish themselves from East Slavs and attribute direct heritage and ancestry from Scythians and Sarmatians instead."<br /><br />It's a LARP. They're Slavs with sometimes a bit of Turkic and Caucasian ancestry. Some even go as far as to claim Scythian ancestry to justify their presence in Krasnodar and mark the surviving Northwest CrMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12360895607673279887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39509752003765241902021-03-13T14:52:44.329-08:002021-03-13T14:52:44.329-08:00@Jaakko
Show me the evidence that they are very d...@Jaakko<br /><br /><i>Show me the evidence that they are very different from the Bronze Age Scandinavian populations.</i><br /><br /><b>Every relevant genetic analysis shows clearly that they're the descendants of the local Bronze Age population and have no Scandinavian ancestry.</b><br /><br />If you insist on not having a clue and making a fool of yourself then that's your choice.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13599765114820666412021-03-13T14:39:11.601-08:002021-03-13T14:39:11.601-08:00@ Anfrze
i was just thinking about Coassacks recen...@ Anfrze<br />i was just thinking about Coassacks recently ! It seems like they are frontiermen. My guess is they're a mix of East Slavs & Turkic elements . Would be good to research some medieval Cossack aDNA (and there would be at least a couple of sub-groupings)Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75303578199487352812021-03-13T13:55:25.925-08:002021-03-13T13:55:25.925-08:00Davidski:
“The remains from the Stone Cist graves ...Davidski:<br />“The remains from the Stone Cist graves are very similar to Bronze Age East Baltic populations and obviously of local origin, with no specific genetic links to Scandinavia whatsoever.<br />The ancient DNA doesn't allow any other options, so you're having a pointless argument there.”<br /><br />Show me the evidence that they are very different from the Bronze Age Jaakko Häkkinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03088022045546791438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1851247230589811172021-03-13T11:13:54.435-08:002021-03-13T11:13:54.435-08:00@Jaakko
"1. How could it be Uralic, when Lat...@Jaakko<br /><br />"1. How could it be Uralic, when Late Proto-Uralic was still spoken in the narrow homeland in the Volga-Kama region during the time the North Siberians went to Kola Peninsula?"<br /><br />BOO is dated to 3500ybp. This is after Late Proto-Uralic.<br /><br />2. How could it be Uralic, when we know that the ancient Palaeo-Laplandic languages were not Uralic?<br /><br />Anthony Hankenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08558813696890276719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65434123035792760252021-03-13T05:23:20.089-08:002021-03-13T05:23:20.089-08:00@Jaakko
The remains from the Stone Cist graves ar...@Jaakko<br /><br />The remains from the Stone Cist graves are very similar to Bronze Age East Baltic populations and obviously of local origin, with no specific genetic links to Scandinavia whatsoever.<br /><br />The ancient DNA doesn't allow any other options, so you're having a pointless argument there.<br /><br />The remains from the later Tarand graves are different, with obvious Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38447024036192202532021-03-13T05:14:38.506-08:002021-03-13T05:14:38.506-08:00Has it occurred to anyone that the Cossacks may be...Has it occurred to anyone that the Cossacks may be the descendants of the Scythians?<br /><br />The Scythians were offspring of West Iranic Andronovo horseback riders, and their range of occupation mode of less overlaps the Yamnaya one. First, it’s interesting to find out the extent to which the backward migration of CWC/Fatnayovo assimilated instead of dispersed the original Yamnaya/Poltava/Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9707793182200216072021-03-13T04:26:55.447-08:002021-03-13T04:26:55.447-08:00Erik Andersson:
“You may have noticed that I have ...Erik Andersson:<br />“You may have noticed that I have not agreed with what you have written.<br />Being able to directly see the origin of migrants and how they're related to other peoples tells you a lot about how language and culture might have spread.”<br /><br />MIGHT. Indeed. Still, the genetic results cannot testify for language, unless you can present a mechanism how language is Jaakko Häkkinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03088022045546791438noreply@blogger.com