tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1434424196032377826..comments2024-03-29T03:30:53.784-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: North African ancestry in a British Bell Beaker?Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger200125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6523410443772439812019-06-01T13:58:17.894-07:002019-06-01T13:58:17.894-07:00@Gaska
"Why these Neolithic and African linea...@Gaska<br />"Why these Neolithic and African lineages disappear entirely in the British Isles and in Iberia?- At the moment there is no trace of them not in the Bronze Age nor in the Iron Age. What happened to those men?"<br /><br />maybe there was only very few of them.<br /><br />if you overlay the atlantic megalith culture sites with the climate zone map then past the pillars of Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77197338799724459102019-06-01T12:45:38.513-07:002019-06-01T12:45:38.513-07:00@ Gaska
So it looks like more than one solution ...@ Gaska <br /><br />So it looks like more than one solution for the same problem....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30184141727116820462019-06-01T12:26:43.532-07:002019-06-01T12:26:43.532-07:00@ Gaska
Not always only Melanin. Hair protect th...@ Gaska <br /><br />Not always only Melanin. Hair protect the skin as well. Afrikaners are particularly hairy. This was mentioned by the English Soldiers. Kind of reminds me of Hairy Gauls mentioned by the Romans. Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35244989521159521852019-06-01T12:17:36.916-07:002019-06-01T12:17:36.916-07:00@Ric-
The light that comes from the sun contains ...<br />@Ric-<br /><br />The light that comes from the sun contains ultraviolet rays (UVA and UVB)- The first activates the creation of melanin immediately-That's why I was saying that maybe there were no mutations regarding the permanent darkening of the skin, but the body always defends itself from the sun by making melanin. I suppose both the Afrikaners and the San will make melanin Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82684894465143333612019-06-01T12:06:01.141-07:002019-06-01T12:06:01.141-07:00@weure
http://www.andinia.com/articles/culture_and...<br />@weure<br />http://www.andinia.com/articles/culture_and_society/a06228-the-schoenbergs-from-holland-to-germany-and-poland.shtml<br /><br />The Schoenbergs living in the Netherlands during the first years of the XVIII century were descendants of the de Belmonte family that moved away from Portugal as Jews were expelled and the Inquisition gained a foothold in their former homeland. There, inGaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30005045928565907402019-06-01T12:04:21.711-07:002019-06-01T12:04:21.711-07:00I don't understand this part:
"I suppose...I don't understand this part:<br /><br />"I suppose that both the San and the Afrikaners would have to increase the production of melanin to adapt medium-" <br /><br />What do you mean ? The San are the Indigenous People of Southern Africa which has been Kalahari Desert like until 10 000 years ago. They have yellowy skin....they do not need to increased their production of Melanin Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14540944541390099542019-06-01T09:37:46.843-07:002019-06-01T09:37:46.843-07:00@Gaska and Schönberg and the link to Belmonte is i...@Gaska and Schönberg and the link to Belmonte is interesting have you got a source?weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59664127864241648952019-06-01T09:25:21.599-07:002019-06-01T09:25:21.599-07:00Do you think they'll ever sample the skulls fr...Do you think they'll ever sample the skulls from the Mycenaean shaft graves that they have sitting in a museum in Athens?Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17386123430230365251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62364267869866562202019-06-01T09:08:26.996-07:002019-06-01T09:08:26.996-07:00@Gaska " However, when these mutations appear...@Gaska " However, when these mutations appeared, they were taken advantage of because they were adapting to the climatic conditions of the northern hemisphere. That's why they are fixed in the whole of the contemporary European population." <br /><br />I thin k in the case of hair and eye color you underestimate the cultural pressure IMO.<br /><br />Look at this case of Herc2, see weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39167124539519701642019-06-01T08:45:58.728-07:002019-06-01T08:45:58.728-07:00@EurDNA
Welsh and Irish MN show roughly the same ...@EurDNA<br /><br />Welsh and Irish MN show roughly the same amount of Magdalenian admixture as Iberian samples. Uniparentals can be subject to a founder effect. By the way, the other option is that the Magdalenian admixture is coincidentally similar and thus be the cause of the suggested link to Iberia.epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87125822232047893942019-06-01T08:38:08.229-07:002019-06-01T08:38:08.229-07:00@Grizzlor
"So science is wrong, it's jus...@Grizzlor<br /><br />"So science is wrong, it's just contamination"<br /><br />Nick Patterson, who is a scientist at the Reich lab, once responded in a thread here that outliers should be treated with skepticism per default, because a lot can go wrong with samples. Also, one should not make too much of a single outlier even if it's legitimate.<br /><br />So Bob Floy is right to epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24094428146461630982019-06-01T08:21:11.195-07:002019-06-01T08:21:11.195-07:00@-Ric "And interesting is that the San of the...@-Ric "And interesting is that the San of the Kalahari are not Black despite them living in one of the most exposed areas in Africa for thousands of years....compared to the Central African Rain Forests which receive only about 15% Radiation at ground level"<br /><br />Thank you, I did not know the case, and of course I do not have a reasonable explanation, I guess it will be because Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66719823714229373732019-06-01T08:04:25.795-07:002019-06-01T08:04:25.795-07:00Regarding the North African ancestry in a British ...Regarding the North African ancestry in a British BB, it is probably an anecdote, just like the case found in Iberia. But everyone has to have an open mind and forget for a moment the dogma of the steppes. In that way, everyone could see the BB culture as it really was, not only in terms of its duration (more than 1,000 years) and its extension (Western Europe, Central Europe, North Africa and Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44127794726012113252019-06-01T07:44:09.250-07:002019-06-01T07:44:09.250-07:00@ Gaska
And interesting is that the San of the Ka...@ Gaska<br /><br />And interesting is that the San of the Kalahari are not Black despite them living in one of the most exposed areas in Africa for thousands of years....compared to the Central African Rain Forests which receive only about 15% Radiation at ground level...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25114040481694159722019-06-01T07:27:48.237-07:002019-06-01T07:27:48.237-07:00@Draft Dozen- @Gaska-That's because of the sun...@Draft Dozen- @Gaska-That's because of the sun, that is, the environmental conditions (not because they are genetically whiter-"Think so? Afrikaners did not turn to black while living in South Africa, Yakuts have not become whiter than the Scandinavians living in extremely cold conditions.<br /><br />Of course I think so<br /><br />The eye and light skin pigmentation phenotypes observed Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36971604760526893822019-06-01T06:12:40.945-07:002019-06-01T06:12:40.945-07:00@ Weure
Yes maybe. I guess because of its uniquen...@ Weure<br /><br />Yes maybe. I guess because of its uniqueness today, maybe it points to its minimal spread and uniqueness in the past as well. After all a massive migration isn't needed to spread ideas. Usually massive migrations goes hand in hand with conservation of the known...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21953119347436512232019-06-01T00:49:47.886-07:002019-06-01T00:49:47.886-07:00let's give it a shot, in a blog about Davidski...let's give it a shot, in a blog about Davidski's SGC>BB BB blogger gives this comment:<br />"One of the key elements in the typological discussion is the position of the 'pan-European' or 'maritime' Beaker (type 2Ia in the Dutch sequence) and the position of AOO/AOC pottery as a go between Bell Beaker Culture and Single Grave Culture. The first point to make is weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5395920783956724932019-06-01T00:02:10.964-07:002019-06-01T00:02:10.964-07:00@Ric what excludes that my E-V22 was already there...@Ric what excludes that my E-V22 was already there in BB times? Besides the fact that it would be in statistic sense a miracle that it it survived until now....weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77191377842154410262019-05-31T21:57:57.817-07:002019-05-31T21:57:57.817-07:00@ Bob
“It's true that there's no direct ar...@ Bob<br />“It's true that there's no direct archeological trail, but I can't help feeling like there may be some missing pieces.”<br /><br />It’s certainly an interesting site. Perhaps we should see more data from eastern Anatolia Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61766482959574265072019-05-31T20:58:31.029-07:002019-05-31T20:58:31.029-07:00Wonder if those East African samples have any link...Wonder if those East African samples have any link to the Fulani especially the later different kind of processing of Iron which apparently spread from the North into Kenya....interesting also is the earliest Bantu related individual among those samples, +-1000 ybp. It looks more like the Bantu only reached East Africa around 1300 ybp./700 AD. the earliest. Combine this with the exclusive Khoi Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68197272979380759272019-05-31T20:40:17.677-07:002019-05-31T20:40:17.677-07:00Very interesting. Thanks.Very interesting. Thanks.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25167922505905609152019-05-31T19:19:35.964-07:002019-05-31T19:19:35.964-07:00A theme that is emerging from the studies lately i...A theme that is emerging from the studies lately is the importance of sample size, because of the ubiquity of outliers in archaeological cultures that we would miss without sufficient sampling. The ancient world is certainly diverse, with homogeneity being the exception in most of the archaeological cultures we have samples from. Outliers are everywhere. What it is not is tolerant or liberal or ANI EXCAVATORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13159481900489133715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46173694879959595672019-05-31T19:04:41.314-07:002019-05-31T19:04:41.314-07:00@Osland_B,
"Everyone knows that the BA in Eur...@Osland_B,<br />"Everyone knows that the BA in Europe was 'diverse' with extensive trade networks but I think 'diverse' is relative and using this word to describe the BA in Europe isn't the same politically-charged word we use today"<br /><br />Amen! <br /><br />"but 'diverse' implicates 'a great deal of variety'. And I don't think that Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22574215042292910352019-05-31T15:28:16.744-07:002019-05-31T15:28:16.744-07:00Osland_B said...
"this wouldn't exactly b...Osland_B said...<br />"this wouldn't exactly be a shocking outcome, but I think people are suspicious of this..."<br /><br />whenever there's a trade network it's not surprising to see individuals from one end of the network showing up at the other end. the trouble is the media like to exaggerate these things for political reasons and then people react against the Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21999465092495120162019-05-31T13:46:25.444-07:002019-05-31T13:46:25.444-07:00@olga, yes but I must say seen the Dutch context i...@olga, yes but I must say seen the Dutch context it's hard to believe. We now look quite liberated. But until deep in the twentieth century there were strict lines in Dutch society especially along religious lines.<br />Seen the fact that we deal here with a Jewish community in the city of Leeuwarden that was end 17th century very tiny:<br />https://www.dutchjewry.org/drieluik/leeuwarden/weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.com