tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post144741182517813439..comments2024-03-29T02:41:56.012-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Yamnaya people drank horse milk (Wilkin et al. 2021)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57069368642112411262021-09-22T22:45:43.506-07:002021-09-22T22:45:43.506-07:00You are very stupid.You are very stupid.Hannibalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03652650489024845026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40557561880659291602021-09-18T09:49:11.977-07:002021-09-18T09:49:11.977-07:00So it looks as if domesticates spread along the Fo...So it looks as if domesticates spread along the Forest Steppe and then down the Rivers from there. Kind of makes sense since Cattle flourish in semi-forested areas where they can get a lot of their micro-nutrient needs from trees. Goats like browsing even more. This could explain why Hunter Gatherers persisted for so long in certain more grassy areas on the Pontic Caspian Steppe.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81472972977767702042021-09-17T15:35:23.303-07:002021-09-17T15:35:23.303-07:00Most people on the internet who tried drinking kum...Most people on the internet who tried drinking kumis assert that it’s really disgusting tasting. What’s the truth to it, among those of us who did?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19435161986136686392021-09-17T15:33:59.659-07:002021-09-17T15:33:59.659-07:00It would be fascinating to figure out the origin o...It would be fascinating to figure out the origin of Dravidian languages: are they Iran_N or Onge-related?<br /><br />If Dravidian are derived from Iran, what’s their relationship with BMAC language? Is the Elamite-Dravidian theory valid again. Where do Burushaski fit in?<br /><br />All of these items and their interplay would be interesting to find out.Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76290624472829729402021-09-17T12:31:44.371-07:002021-09-17T12:31:44.371-07:00@vAsiSTha
OUPS! Should be: your hindutva bias, as ...@vAsiSTha<br />OUPS! Should be: your hindutva bias, as seen above?SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-190693120402817052021-09-17T12:30:12.971-07:002021-09-17T12:30:12.971-07:00Yeah, AASI seem to be quite tall. But even the man...Yeah, AASI seem to be quite tall. But even the man from Rakhigarhi (BR02) was quite tall despite him likely having a nice amount of Iran_N ancestry. <br />Balangoda Man from Sri Lanka was also taller than the average contemporary person from Sri Lanka. ancestralwhispers.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13909284594529749229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47314014883128494742021-09-17T12:26:33.375-07:002021-09-17T12:26:33.375-07:00@vAsiSTha
Garbage in = garbage out. davidski, that...@vAsiSTha<br /><i>Garbage in = garbage out. davidski, thats what steppe theorists like you are good at. Even if predictions dont show in evidence you still stick to your theories. nothing's over till its over.</i><br /><br />So according to you, what is the truth about PIE, etc? Can you finally describe your version of events, or will you rather continue to heroically spit on everything that SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46445500407518803272021-09-17T07:25:35.282-07:002021-09-17T07:25:35.282-07:00Those mesolithic buggers from gangetic plains were...Those mesolithic buggers from gangetic plains were 185cm+ tall if I recall correctly. Should be interesting. My guess is they will be at least 20%+ iranN like. Although Niraj Rai himself presupposes them to be Aasi.vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40934355545969664022021-09-17T06:38:05.172-07:002021-09-17T06:38:05.172-07:00Looking forward to the Mesolithic data !
For more...Looking forward to the Mesolithic data ! <br />For more recent periods, many people would be interested to know how IVC people looked (#2); how different ancestry streams intermixed across North -central India (#3,4)Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90296513510047437372021-09-17T06:25:40.344-07:002021-09-17T06:25:40.344-07:00Garbage in = garbage out.
davidski, thats what st...Garbage in = garbage out. <br />davidski, thats what steppe theorists like you are good at. Even if predictions dont show in evidence you still stick to your theories. <br /><br />nothing's over till its over.vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46968707955593554492021-09-17T05:58:46.202-07:002021-09-17T05:58:46.202-07:00You really must have shit for brains if you believ...You really must have shit for brains if you believe that anything from India can change things.<br /><br />Take a careful look at the samples from Eastern Europe. It's all over.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17796413397869450572021-09-17T05:51:14.432-07:002021-09-17T05:51:14.432-07:00You feign to have lost interest without seeing any...You feign to have lost interest without seeing any decent sample from India because things can only get worse with actual data for you compared to your fairy tale stories.vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43266706007232667482021-09-17T05:45:39.040-07:002021-09-17T05:45:39.040-07:00I have to admit that I've mostly lost interest...I have to admit that I've mostly lost interest in India, because the situation there, as it pertains to ancient Europe and the Indo-European expansions, is basically cut and dried.<br /><br />I mean, anyone who isn't insane or handicapped in some other way has to admit that R1a moved into South Asia during the Bronze Age along with Indo-European languages.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82670779939616662282021-09-17T03:21:12.369-07:002021-09-17T03:21:12.369-07:00Another recent interview/podcast with Dr Niraj Rai...Another recent interview/podcast with Dr Niraj Rai is out.<br /><br />These are the projects to be published in the next 1-3yrs according to him.<br /><br />1. Modern Indian y-dna. 10k samples, out of which 30% is r1a.<br />2. Sanauli 2 samples 1 male one female. Unclear if they were able to extract useful adna.<br />3. West gangetic plains 1000bce samples<br />4. South india 500-200bce vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70473045670496222752021-09-16T23:00:25.931-07:002021-09-16T23:00:25.931-07:00I drank koumiss many times when I was in Mongolia....I drank koumiss many times when I was in Mongolia. It resembled kefir or ayran.ambronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238484037682022972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47034211495510614662021-09-16T22:04:41.809-07:002021-09-16T22:04:41.809-07:00So basically the horse milk drinkers on the map wa...So basically the horse milk drinkers on the map was found to the West of the Lower Don River. So it seems Dnieper-Don rather than Don-Volga....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33127538771752654812021-09-16T21:22:09.914-07:002021-09-16T21:22:09.914-07:00And here they say:
"Ancient DNA results from...And here they say:<br /><br />"Ancient DNA results from Khvalynsk and other Eneolithic sites in the Volga and northern Caucasus2,7,26 support the existence of an Eneolithic population across this region that was genetically similar to the Yamnaya population, but who lacked the additional farmer (Anatolian) ancestry that would arrive later on the steppe."<br /><br />So basically Yamnaya Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27848352430638240562021-09-16T20:41:50.041-07:002021-09-16T20:41:50.041-07:00Earlier, arza got SNP results for Bohemia ancient ...Earlier, arza got SNP results for Bohemia ancient DNA.<br /><br />The interesting thing is Bohemia farmers are twice as "light pigmentated" as other Neolithic farmers. The only farmers to tie them are in Late Neolithic Switzerland.<br /><br />This suggests selection for lighter pigmentation in central European farmers. The GAC mass grave doesn't. But I am interested in seeing what Genos Historiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00001227606140124399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17074136270234833172021-09-16T16:20:21.874-07:002021-09-16T16:20:21.874-07:00@Rich S. "I've also had kumiss, which i...@Rich S. "I've also had kumiss, which is fermented horse milk. It tastes like alcoholic blue cheese salad dressing"<br /><br />Hard pass!Dave the Slothtopushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636798760680009469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10409444426647344552021-09-16T13:53:49.399-07:002021-09-16T13:53:49.399-07:00@Andrzejewski
"The ancient Norse religion wo...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />"The ancient Norse religion worshipers sacrificed horse meat. In Iceland there are Neo-pagan revivalists who feast on horse meat steaks."<br /><br />Horse sacrifice, including sexual rituals, possibly also occured in ancient Ireland and India:<br /><br />https://amp.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7ypmyi/is_it_true_that_ancient_irish_kings_used_to/Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7615691658228344542021-09-16T13:37:41.644-07:002021-09-16T13:37:41.644-07:00@Andrzejewski
"I also remember reading artic...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />"I also remember reading articles west back, claiming that it was either Yamnaya or Scythians who were the first to cultivate hemp."<br /><br />It cannot have been Yamnaya, because the word hemp is considered a main testimony of the rather late Germanic sound shift. Scythian kanba, compare Greek kannabis, became xanapiz in Proto-Germanic, after the sound shift. Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3372535510443810212021-09-16T12:32:31.093-07:002021-09-16T12:32:31.093-07:00@Davidski
“Corded Ware isn't even mentioned ...@Davidski<br /> <br />“Corded Ware isn't even mentioned once in this paper. WTF?”<br /> <br /> <br />“Together, the innovations opened up a vast new landscape. “Milk is a contributing factor, but not the only factor,” says University of Helsinki archaeologist Volker Heyd, who was not involved in the research. “It’s a new economy and a new way of life, and the origins are the invention of the EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64703489378028806572021-09-16T11:55:13.767-07:002021-09-16T11:55:13.767-07:00@Andrzejewski
"If Yamnaya drank horse milk, ...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />"If Yamnaya drank horse milk, maybe they can also be credited with the invention of the Kumis (low alcoholic beverage formed by fermented horse milk)."<br /><br />The old Prussians were fond of this stuff; and of mead. From what I've read they didn't know beer. Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55111385141803904312021-09-16T09:36:36.560-07:002021-09-16T09:36:36.560-07:00@vAsiSTha
Sweeter but less fatty. I like cows mil...@vAsiSTha<br /><br />Sweeter but less fatty. I like cows milk or goat milk better. The sweetness is likable though.epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77022661440270423002021-09-16T09:35:48.011-07:002021-09-16T09:35:48.011-07:00Note that the chatter about this so far has been w...Note that the chatter about this so far has been weirdly focused on *horse* milk when a) milk traces from multiple, specific genuses of animal (including sheep, goats, cows) are attested in these individuals, and b) traces attributable to Equus specifically were only found in 2 of the 35 or so Early and Middle Bronze Age samples. From the paper:<br /><br />"Although many of the milk peptidesKMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08833788609303505263noreply@blogger.com