tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1506012368156945456..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: The genetic origin and legacy of the Etruscans (Posth et al. 2021)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger321125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77117222275667632242022-10-21T13:29:30.142-07:002022-10-21T13:29:30.142-07:00They were like Bell Beakers.
They were like Bell Beakers.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64197691918095950152022-10-21T10:05:11.492-07:002022-10-21T10:05:11.492-07:00I am curious whenever the R1b people came into Bro...I am curious whenever the R1b people came into Bronze Age Italy as fully "Steppe" admixed or were they somewhat different. As Etruscans and other mainland Italic people seem to be roughly 30% steppe on average and almost 80% R1b. The overall autosomal impact does not match the Y Dna even if steppe ancestry was 100% male driven. Maybe the Indo European migrants heavy in steppe ancestry Donnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06970545165990013739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2560260772446314892022-01-07T23:23:35.450-08:002022-01-07T23:23:35.450-08:00That's also a wrongly dated sample.That's also a wrongly dated sample.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32942453566951164682022-01-07T23:09:45.375-08:002022-01-07T23:09:45.375-08:00If not GLAV14 then then I6561, Alexandria Ukraine...If not GLAV14 then then I6561, Alexandria Ukraine, 3500 BC, you've even got a blog about it<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/03/was-ukraineeneolithic-i6561-proto-indo.htmlRomulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27283341763601595942022-01-07T22:44:15.981-08:002022-01-07T22:44:15.981-08:00That Romanian sample is probably a wrongly dated S...That Romanian sample is probably a wrongly dated Sarmatian or something.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78116538070128029892022-01-07T22:41:25.517-08:002022-01-07T22:41:25.517-08:00Thanks Nick!
The Y-chromosome data is puzzling bu...Thanks Nick!<br /><br /><i>The Y-chromosome data is puzzling but doesn't help much. Where are Corded Ware type<br />R1a in 4000 BCE?</i><br /><br />I don't know about 4000 BCE but <i>GLAV_14, a male from the Late Eneolithic site Glăvăneştii Vechi, classified as Romania Bronze Age (ca. 3500-3000 BC)</i> belongs to R1a-M417->Z93+. <br /><br />Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23048949327589011872022-01-07T21:57:07.540-08:002022-01-07T21:57:07.540-08:00@Nick Patterson
Where are Corded Ware type R1a in...@Nick Patterson<br /><br /><i>Where are Corded Ware type R1a in 4000 BCE?</i><br /><br />Must be somewhere on the steppe or in the nearby forest steppe. But it might be so rare at this time that we might never find it in ancient DNA until it starts expanding rapidly with the Corded Ware.<br /><br />I think it's interesting, and probably relevant, that R1a (although not M417+), shows up in Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31035503476315876902022-01-07T15:52:08.392-08:002022-01-07T15:52:08.392-08:00@Romulus asked some questions about my views on IE...@Romulus asked some questions about my views on IE<br /><br />Here are my guesses as to the big picture for IE. <br />Sometimes these are highly informed guesses, sometimes we really don't know. <br /><br />A. PIE location (ancestor of all IE languages including Hittite): Caucasus/Piedmont <br />B. IE (but not Hittite) ancestor location: <br />Pontic-Caspian Steppe <br />C. Language spoken byNick Patterson (Broad)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15606881879148004553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72314400422463932202021-11-10T17:17:12.733-08:002021-11-10T17:17:12.733-08:00Davidski, I wanted to ask you since you are usuall...Davidski, I wanted to ask you since you are usually involved with those ancient samples. Do you think you can ask the scientists for the BAM of Daunian samples? It would be great to see them in G25 since the official PCA is horrible.<br /><br />Donnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06970545165990013739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83651104113189895842021-11-10T08:27:34.620-08:002021-11-10T08:27:34.620-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Donnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06970545165990013739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9430336063617264942021-10-16T13:07:35.948-07:002021-10-16T13:07:35.948-07:00@gamerz_J
So in your opinion Ust-Ishim/Oase/Bacho...@gamerz_J<br /><br />So in your opinion Ust-Ishim/Oase/BachoKiro/IUP and ultimately K2b/P are from an East Eurasian population that originated to the west of East Eurasia?Tigranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06866291247743881056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17643493017477144122021-10-15T18:51:22.649-07:002021-10-15T18:51:22.649-07:00More ancient spaghetti people DNA coming:
Unravel...More ancient spaghetti people DNA coming:<br /><br /><b>Unraveling the genetic history of Italians: a genome-wide study of Iron Age<br />Italic populations</b><br /><br />Zaro Valentina (1), Vergata Chiara (1), Cannariato Costanza (1), Modi<br />Alessandra (1), Vai Stefania (1), Pilli Elena (1), Diroma Maria Angela (1),<br />Caramelli David (1), Lari Martina (1)<br /><br />1 - Department of Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36929728557787728472021-10-15T16:25:45.913-07:002021-10-15T16:25:45.913-07:00Lots of interesting abstracts from the ISBA pdf Ar...Lots of interesting abstracts from the ISBA pdf Arza linked, this caught my eye among them:<br /><br />Genomic signals of continuity and admixture in the Caucasus<br />Ghalichy Ayshin et al.<br /><br />"Situated between the Black and Caspian...A recent<br />archaeogenetic study has shown that the genetically diverse Eneolithic and Bronze<br />Age groups of the steppe and mountains correspondgamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78353936616820325912021-10-15T01:04:07.329-07:002021-10-15T01:04:07.329-07:00@ Arza- thanks.@ Arza- thanks.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41210483629599143382021-10-14T18:41:23.698-07:002021-10-14T18:41:23.698-07:00@All if we agree that Corded Ware were identified ...@All if we agree that Corded Ware were identified with the speakers of what could be deemed “Late PIE”, then do we agree that the dialects spoken by Yamnaya, Khvalynsk, Afanasievo and speakers of the Anatolian branch could all be regarded and defined as “Para-PIE”?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53070226891455698332021-10-14T18:37:36.028-07:002021-10-14T18:37:36.028-07:00old europe “ That would be the end of the story fo...old europe “ That would be the end of the story for the Khvalynsk/northern causasus genetic cline as the founding PIE population”<br /><br />What language affiliation do you think Khvalynsk spoke (if indeed they were a homogeneous population), if not anything similar and related to PIE?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86258658209612438762021-10-14T18:17:01.605-07:002021-10-14T18:17:01.605-07:00@ MH_82
Instructions unclear.
These?
https://edm...@ MH_82<br /><br />Instructions unclear.<br /><br />These?<br />https://edmond.mpdl.mpg.de/imeji/collection/OMm2fpu0jR3jSqnY?q=Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80718126620798454872021-10-14T14:47:08.078-07:002021-10-14T14:47:08.078-07:00@Genos - Thanks for that! Super helpful.
If anyon...@Genos - Thanks for that! Super helpful.<br /><br />If anyone's interested I've uploaded it to Google Sheets and then sorted first by ISOGG classification and then by Mean Date.<br /><br />https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ShnXemuNQXF9ZdhKotodYwalL1H08bO8/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=111010649969538125523&rtpof=true&sd=true<br /><br />Makes it really easy to pick out the spreadRyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87401480994931549462021-10-14T14:41:08.566-07:002021-10-14T14:41:08.566-07:00@Genos, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't ...@Genos, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that just Carlos copying down stuff from the presentation Anthony gave at Copenhagen University (since taken off the web) and sticking it in a spreadsheet? Also Anthony talked about a family cemetery at Khvalynsk, where they reconstructed relationships between the family members.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20560815012138220202021-10-14T13:07:27.494-07:002021-10-14T13:07:27.494-07:00@ Arza
Can you by chance prep the Tarim genomes ?...@ Arza <br />Can you by chance prep the Tarim genomes ? Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56817350771930766172021-10-14T12:17:44.507-07:002021-10-14T12:17:44.507-07:00@ Genos
You mean all the Khvalynsk samples that ...@ Genos <br /><br />You mean all the Khvalynsk samples that are R1b are ALL R1b V636?<br /><br />That would be the end of the story for the Khvalynsk/northern causasus genetic cline as the founding PIE population old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88675304976899673092021-10-14T11:44:45.157-07:002021-10-14T11:44:45.157-07:00Check this out guys......
Ancient Y DNA database....Check this out guys......<br /><br />Ancient Y DNA database.<br />https://indo-european.eu/ancient-dna/<br /><br />It includes unpublished Y DNA from Reich lab. The Khvalynsk R1b is all V1636. The rest is Q1. <br /><br />Still this is typical IE patrilinalism in Khvalnsky. They just have an R1b lineage which basically went extinct. But we also see it in one Corded Ware samples which is crazy. Genos Historiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00001227606140124399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22622209193631753962021-10-13T21:45:22.936-07:002021-10-13T21:45:22.936-07:00@ Ty
Well IBM could have some European HG in them...@ Ty <br />Well IBM could have some European HG in them be some (? Solutrean), of course early papers focussed on mtdna U6 rose that possibility <br />Whilst Pinarbasi has that ‘basal” sort of HG which might be post -Ahmarian<br />Still working on it; but it’s challenging due to the lack of properly old African DNA, as even South African HGs have some northern back flow <br />Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79727571618167738232021-10-13T17:14:42.122-07:002021-10-13T17:14:42.122-07:00Tracking the transformation of the domestic horse ...Tracking the transformation of the domestic horse during the Bronze and the Iron Age<br /><br />Liu Xuexue (1, 2), Librado Pablo (1), Loreleï Chauvey (1), Tonasso Laure (1), Schiavinato Stéphanie (1), Fages Antoine (1), Khan Naveed (1), Outram Alan (3), Orlando Ludovic (1)<br /><br />1 - Centre for Anthropobiology and Genomics of Toulouse (CAGT), UMR5288 (France), 2 - Institute of Animal Science,Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36004556265882474202021-10-13T16:22:37.958-07:002021-10-13T16:22:37.958-07:00@MH_82,
Can you elaborate, what about their Euras...@MH_82,<br /><br />Can you elaborate, what about their Eurasian component is so different, and what about their African affinity?Cy Tolliverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05797319144388428934noreply@blogger.com