tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1911967215610152611..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Eastern Scythians = Steppe_MLBA + East EurasiansDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42245557821987863242017-07-23T02:14:29.392-07:002017-07-23T02:14:29.392-07:00@balaji
"Today, there is a lot of ASI in Paki...@balaji<br />"Today, there is a lot of ASI in Pakistan. For example Punjabi_Lahore has more ASI than Brahmin_UP."<br /><br />You are comparing Punjabis of unnamed castes to a specific caste (Brahmins) in UP. How is this a valid comparison? You should compare castes to castes. <br /><br />Where is the proof that Islamic conquest saw "high-ASI slaves" being sent to Lahore?Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03927286405195976694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75952593551989910472017-03-14T01:13:12.254-07:002017-03-14T01:13:12.254-07:00I updated the datasheet and plot.
Karasuk and the...I updated the datasheet and plot.<br /><br />Karasuk and the less admixed Karasuk2 are basically Scythians.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47762127920864807262017-03-13T23:29:37.439-07:002017-03-13T23:29:37.439-07:00Anyone know where Grigoryev got his early 4th mill...Anyone know where Grigoryev got his early 4th millennium date for Parkhai II? He gives no reference for it and everyone else (like, the actual excavator) says mid- or first half of *3rd* millennium BC. capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23237356903707809452017-03-13T20:43:34.899-07:002017-03-13T20:43:34.899-07:00@Rob
Interesting. The paper avoids conjecturing ab...@Rob<br />Interesting. The paper avoids conjecturing about any agents of change, but we can take some guesses at it. <br /><br />Routes of trade do offer precursor for exchanges of ideas, sometimes preliminaries/contexts for war, rises of new cultures, etc.Atriðrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13083384836707338698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46821856359537206632017-03-13T15:49:45.479-07:002017-03-13T15:49:45.479-07:00An interesting article about the end ('transfo...An interesting article about the end ('transformation') of BMAC<br /><br />"A NEW ASSESSMENT OF THE END OF THE OXUS CIVILIZATION (SOUTHERN CENTRAL ASIA, CA. 1750-1500/1400 BCE): OVERVIEW OF THE TRANSFORMATIONS OF THE SOCIETY " Lunea. <br /><br />No direct transplant of steppe cultures for sure, but definitely a large ideological shift in material culture; with notable impact of Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19191516347313725922017-03-13T15:13:23.307-07:002017-03-13T15:13:23.307-07:00Sorry not East Iranians but Indo-Aryans....Sorry not East Iranians but Indo-Aryans....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57972940910522331502017-03-13T14:09:21.062-07:002017-03-13T14:09:21.062-07:00So some of the ancestry of both did not originate ...So some of the ancestry of both did not originate within the Catacomb Culture ? Sorry maybe the comment above points to some other East Iranian peoples that are probably related to Catacomb.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53568779006887800272017-03-13T12:33:00.293-07:002017-03-13T12:33:00.293-07:00@Nirjhar
You're reading the good stuff.
I me...@Nirjhar<br />You're reading the good stuff. <br /><br />I mentioned this last year or the one before, but Grigoryev also clues in:<br /><br /><i>And there are no Finno-Ugric borrowings in languages of Avesta and Rig Veda.</i><br /><br />Not a small variable to dismiss.<br /><br />Looking forward to that BMAC dna.Atriðrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13083384836707338698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21844541944441274892017-03-13T12:18:32.615-07:002017-03-13T12:18:32.615-07:00@RicHern
Kalash and Greeks are not related, Kala...@RicHern <br /><br />Kalash and Greeks are not related, Kalash have more steppe ancestry than Greeks. While Greeks are predominantly EEF. Neither did Alexander the Great or his army leave any genetic contribution in that region. MaxThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920295419805648337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9757247324120181452017-03-13T10:35:35.809-07:002017-03-13T10:35:35.809-07:00@Balaji they were no ASI rich slaves. Populations ...@Balaji they were no ASI rich slaves. Populations in the Indus Gangetic plains always had a good amount of ASI. Yes you are right those samples are not Eneolithic, they are largely early Bronze Age, Eneolithic would be the Merhgarh culture centered in Balochistan and SW Pakistan. I think getting samples from Pakistan would be more beneficial , as the IVC and proto IVC sites are there. The spreadRamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08212726536809592734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80367061838390351882017-03-13T10:11:52.374-07:002017-03-13T10:11:52.374-07:001) The founding roots of 90% of the world's Ma...1) The founding roots of 90% of the world's Male and Female lineages.<br />2) Archaeological evidence from Stone Age to the birth of much advanced Neolithic civilization.<br /><br />These evidences are radiating out from South Asia towards other regions.<br /><br />You are only deluding your self by talking about Aryan Invasion from the Steppe, They were only coming home to their roots, what TruthPrevailshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05940335303424029794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22294508593897016152017-03-13T08:27:42.832-07:002017-03-13T08:27:42.832-07:00So does this mean that the Kalash and Greeks are a...So does this mean that the Kalash and Greeks are actually related but due to a much older connection than Alexander the Great in the form of the Catacomb Culture ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32194924799125608332017-03-13T04:49:24.480-07:002017-03-13T04:49:24.480-07:00@Davidski
"OK, keep hoping for a miracle the...@Davidski<br /><br />"OK, keep hoping for a miracle then. You, Balaji and Jaydeep."<br /><br />Count me in. I love miracles. Especially when they make very very very unlikely things happen. Those are the best types of miracles.<br /><br />I'm looking for the first Saint of Ancient Genetics.Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39860154694022271192017-03-13T03:53:54.407-07:002017-03-13T03:53:54.407-07:00OK, keep hoping for a miracle then. You, Balaji an...OK, keep hoping for a miracle then. You, Balaji and Jaydeep.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50981903414318619972017-03-13T03:46:59.476-07:002017-03-13T03:46:59.476-07:00Z645 is from Eastern Europe, and you know it. Most...<i>Z645 is from Eastern Europe, and you know it. Most scholars don't know what Z645 is, but at least you do. So quit fooling yourself.</i> <br /><br /><br />No I don't know it , I don't think any sensible man knows it yet mate .<br /><br /> Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67133922390698669972017-03-13T03:32:30.000-07:002017-03-13T03:32:30.000-07:00I personally think that Catacomb is more related t...I personally think that Catacomb is more related to Proto-Greek and some Paleo-Balkan languages. This languages arrived rather late in the balkan and had some affinities with Indo-Iranian despite being originally spoken by R1b-rich people. Abashevo is in my opinion Proto-Indo-Aryan and that would also explain why some Indo-Iranian loanwords in Uralic languages are closer to Indo-Aryan than to Coldmountainshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18351446992955041786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20699886288738251672017-03-13T03:31:04.751-07:002017-03-13T03:31:04.751-07:00@Balaji
Mesolithic, Neolithic, Eneolithic and ear...@Balaji<br /><br />Mesolithic, Neolithic, Eneolithic and early Bronze Age South Asians have nothing to do with Bronze Age Europeans.<br /><br />South Asians acquire European steppe ancestry from Aryan invaders after Harappa collapses. Just deal with it already.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3876210053044622962017-03-13T03:10:00.996-07:002017-03-13T03:10:00.996-07:00The reason that Scythians fall above the trend lin...The reason that Scythians fall above the trend line is the East Asian component of their ancestry. Caucasus_HG is more basal than Central_MN and the D statistics will be affected by this. I believe the Reich Lab finding that Scythians are better modeled as Steppe_EMBA + East Eurasian.<br /><br />Davidski claimed that Rakhigarhi was an eneolithic culture. Not so. The people were expert in using Balajihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09561110603904765636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16278321233533928602017-03-13T02:40:15.662-07:002017-03-13T02:40:15.662-07:00@postneo
I'm talking about Mitannis, Indo-Ary...@postneo<br /><br />I'm talking about Mitannis, Indo-Aryan superstrate in Anatolia. Not earlier Hitties of Anatolian branch. <br /><br /><br />MaxThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920295419805648337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56562050638692861472017-03-12T23:46:50.094-07:002017-03-12T23:46:50.094-07:00@MaxT
" Indo-Aryans affinity towards Steppe_E...@MaxT<br />" Indo-Aryans affinity towards Steppe_EMBA is not surprising considering they were first wave of Indo-Iranian migrations to South Asia and Anatolia and were probably more EMBA shifted. "<br /><br />Most linguistic models have the Anatolians first to leave and the indo-iranianas/aryans as the last to leave.<br />So its not quite what you just said. Personally, I don't postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52670277024365724132017-03-12T23:13:51.284-07:002017-03-12T23:13:51.284-07:00@Nirjhar
Z645 is from Eastern Europe, and you kno...@Nirjhar<br /><br />Z645 is from Eastern Europe, and you know it. Most scholars don't know what Z645 is, but at least you do. So quit fooling yourself.<br /><br />The story is what it is. All we have left to discuss are the little details.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89720676468626261762017-03-12T21:34:32.521-07:002017-03-12T21:34:32.521-07:00I2-M223 has a weak distribution in Central Asia, a...I2-M223 has a weak distribution in Central Asia, and it very clearly came from the west.AWoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14966600445259901063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59950954735453457212017-03-12T21:22:54.168-07:002017-03-12T21:22:54.168-07:00As I understand, Archaeology is so far more or les...As I understand, Archaeology is so far more or less within the findings . Archaeology is not something that you can just vapor away , the Kurgan Hypothesis is itself based on some archaeological interpretations . So You must need archaeology taken into account , without any prior assumptions , Mallory has recently shown that . <br /><br />By interesting, its always the discussion of different Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91053149296123915572017-03-12T21:14:33.713-07:002017-03-12T21:14:33.713-07:00@Nirjhar
Well, the early Baltic Corded Ware are Z...@Nirjhar<br /><br />Well, the early Baltic Corded Ware are Z645+ and basically identical to Yamnaya and Ulan IV. They're a good option for proto-Aryans too, if you prefer.<br /><br />You should focus less on people and names, and more on the new data. If you did that, we'd be having much more interesting and fruitful discussions.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18570607468333602502017-03-12T21:03:52.597-07:002017-03-12T21:03:52.597-07:00You don't know about Archaeology so, Stick to ...You don't know about Archaeology so, Stick to Your field the Genetics , a simple aDNA of Parkhai ,will bring you down to earth . <br /><br />Said that, More Catacomb aDNA is very welcome , but as already it had I2 , I don't think so buddy...Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.com