tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post1912642001069987661..comments2024-03-28T07:18:02.605-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Blond hair is only indirectly associated with Anatolian ancestry in Estonia...duhDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger228125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34274203379206292562022-03-29T01:05:31.974-07:002022-03-29T01:05:31.974-07:00Language has one root, but genes have multiple roo...Language has one root, but genes have multiple roots. Maurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03670078523265515878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61452647073443416302022-02-22T19:15:19.408-08:002022-02-22T19:15:19.408-08:00@Simon
You won't change his mind, no matter w...@Simon<br /><br />You won't change his mind, no matter what, so there's no point.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42327537316707936002022-02-22T17:59:37.797-08:002022-02-22T17:59:37.797-08:00@ Gaska
12) this really hasn’t been an argument. ...@ Gaska<br /><br />12) this really hasn’t been an argument. I’ve presented evidence, thoroughly deconstructed and debunked your fallacious arguments, and you’ve retorted back sarcastically with no evidence or rebuttals, just “no that’s wrong.” That’s 3 year old stuff. You have less evidence to back anything you’ve said than I do. All majority WHG groups with R1b, have V88, not M269 or even P297. Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22917315115147624292022-02-22T17:33:11.157-08:002022-02-22T17:33:11.157-08:00@ Gaska
8) going over the same stuff again and aga...@ Gaska<br />8) going over the same stuff again and again is a theme with zealots. Villabruna is not the paternal ancestor of P297. Here’s my earlier rebuke again. Villabruna has ANE autosomal DNA. Villabruna is negative for FGC21012 (V2219 equivalent), P297-equivalents, and V1636-equivalents. He may belong to L389*, but that’s a dubious SNP. L389 formed in 15100 BCE, and its TMRCA is 13600 BCE. Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61501082984151066032022-02-22T17:03:23.288-08:002022-02-22T17:03:23.288-08:00@Gaska
6) that’s another non-argument from you. Y...@Gaska<br /><br />6) that’s another non-argument from you. You are saying they don’t have steppe, they paper said they do. Here’s the results of the paper again via Figure 2 and Supplementary Data 4: MX304 has 21.5% Yamnaya_Samara (SD is 14.6%), MX310 has 30% Yamnaya_Samara (SD is 16.9%). Both samples have a low number of SNPs (29434 and 28525 respectively. Either provide evidence as to why they Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50059910915545511002022-02-22T15:46:36.727-08:002022-02-22T15:46:36.727-08:00@Gaska
These are not the only possible calls, but ...@Gaska<br />These are not the only possible calls, but they are the more likely ones. PF6287* has been found in Brazil, and in remains from Croatia (sample ID: I26735, 1 CE-100 BCE), while PF6362 has been found in Sardinia (subclade M18), and the Ukrainian HG I1734 (7451-7056 calBCE). It’s likely then that ATP3 (3516-3365 calBCE) belongs to V2219/V88 or I2a-CTS10057. <br /><br />Confirming this Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36698833589034420372022-02-22T15:24:29.690-08:002022-02-22T15:24:29.690-08:00@Gaska
1) no he’s not M269. He has numerous other ...@Gaska<br />1) no he’s not M269. He has numerous other SNP calls, he’s low coverage (37166 SNPs/0.031 autosomal coverage), and he has some contamination (Z=2.3 contamination). Harvard also thought Alexandria was from the Copper Age too. Keep using selective appeals to authority, they aren’t arguments. Parenthesis indicate calls that are SNP consistent. The only SNP linking him to M269, is PF6518.Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80048840075339387962022-02-22T08:17:39.971-08:002022-02-22T08:17:39.971-08:008-Villabruna is L754 and this is the father of P29...8-Villabruna is L754 and this is the father of P297 and the grandfather of M296 - you understand?, there is nothing like it on the steppes.<br /><br />9-The burden of evidence is on all those Kurganists who have been telling us a fairy tale about the origin of our lineage for 7 years. There is no M269 or L51>L151 in the steppes - This is the genetic evidence to date -L754 (Italy), P297 and V88Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148386437983033079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53749824532743929542022-02-22T08:15:01.943-08:002022-02-22T08:15:01.943-08:006) You have not analyzed those samples, they are S...<br /><br />6) You have not analyzed those samples, they are Swiss farmers and they have hardly any steppe ancestry. If you are curious you can check it by yourself (and if you don't know, ask for advice to someone who knows how to handle qpAdm) or any other autosomal tool.<br /><br />7)-The quote from Max Planck? It is clear that you have not read the paper on Bohemia. “We observe a closer Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148386437983033079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29439672610944515132022-02-22T07:45:22.851-08:002022-02-22T07:45:22.851-08:00@Gaska
According to Blagoje Govedarica and his ar...@Gaska<br /><br />According to Blagoje Govedarica and his archaeological data, the first burial mounds / kurgans were established east of the Carpathian Arch in the cultures like Cucuteni, Varna, Suvorovo, etc., see:<br /><br /><i>(…) III.2. Phase Suvorovo<br /><br /><b>Stone sceptres and presumably the first burial mounds as signs of power and high rank appear after that in the second, Suvorovo SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43750501008084903532022-02-22T07:37:08.039-08:002022-02-22T07:37:08.039-08:001-You can repeat it as many times as you want, and...1-You can repeat it as many times as you want, and the more you do it, the more ridiculous your argument will be. That sample is BS, get it, stop fooling yourself (and the few who read what you write) with stupid arguments. The origin of L51 is not in the steppes but in central Europe, and to date, you have not found that lineage in the steppes or the forest steppe- I don't think you are ableGaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148386437983033079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69017711629169770732022-02-22T07:25:21.378-08:002022-02-22T07:25:21.378-08:001-You can repeat it as many times as you want, and...1-You can repeat it as many times as you want, and the more you do it, the more ridiculous your argument will be. That sample is BS, get it, stop fooling yourself (and the few who read what you write) with stupid arguments. The origin of L51 is not in the steppes but in central Europe, and to date, you have not found that lineage in the steppes or the forest steppe- I don't think you are ableGaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148386437983033079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66084896143791282272022-02-22T06:05:15.342-08:002022-02-22T06:05:15.342-08:00Correction for rebuttal #2) ATP based on these cal...Correction for rebuttal #2) ATP based on these calls, could belong to R1b-V2219/V88, I2a-CTS10057, T1a-Y261958, or J2a-Z6046>FGC61612*. He also has calls for the following: A00-AF12, E-M78-L547/PF2166/V4057, J2-Z6046-SK2198/S18476, F-Y1811/FGC2054, O-F1835, Q-Y1109, Q-YP1618, Q-Y18433, R1b-Z2103>FT31418* (formed 2400 BCE)/I2-Y16441-Y16447 (formed 2100-1800 BCE), R-Y479/F370/PF6047/M708, Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65983478412300341692022-02-22T05:09:44.893-08:002022-02-22T05:09:44.893-08:0010) fascinating story with no scientific evidence ...10) fascinating story with no scientific evidence or hard data. Z2118 formed 3700 BCE, as did L52. They both descend from L51, and both Z2103 and L51 descend from L23, which formed in 4400 BCE; its TMRCA is 4100 BCE. That’s right towards the end of Srendy Stog, Repin, Progress/Vonyuchka, and Khvalynsk. In order for L51 to be WHG, Yamnaya would also have to descend from this group, because Z2103 Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63896659981012820372022-02-22T04:29:17.327-08:002022-02-22T04:29:17.327-08:00@Gaska
4) CLL007 is not carbon dated, and he has ...@Gaska<br /><br />4) CLL007 is not carbon dated, and he has steppe autosomal DNA. Invading males with steppe ancestry took wives with no steppe ancestry, hence the non-steppe mtDNA. EHU002 (2562–2306 cal BCE, 62.9% German Beaker) has steppe ancestry/autosomal DNA. P312 descends from L151, and the oldest L151 samples are in Bohemia Corded Ware (STD002, 2882-2673 calBCE). All M269 males have steppeSimon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74372735892854521352022-02-22T03:50:38.480-08:002022-02-22T03:50:38.480-08:00@Gaska
1) let me repeat this again: P310* is at t...@Gaska<br /><br />1) let me repeat this again: P310* is at the L52 phylogenetic level. L52*/L52 comes from L51. L51 formed 4100 BCE, and it has a TMRCA date of 3700 BCE. Z2103 (Yamnaya and late Bohemia CW had both) and L51 descend from L23, which formed 4400 BCE; its TMRCA is 4100 BCE. That’s right towards the end of Srendy Stog, Repin, Progress/Vonyuchka, and Khvalynsk. I6222 is a dead end, but Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54515236551083226572022-02-22T03:19:08.856-08:002022-02-22T03:19:08.856-08:0010-Phylogenic evidence clearly indicates the commo...10-Phylogenic evidence clearly indicates the common ancestors of extant L51 most recently lived in Western Europe, most likely France-The first subclade to break away from L51 not related to L52 is R1b-Z2118, dates back to only 400 years after the formation of L51 (5700 years ago, so well before the migrational period of L51 Beaker folk across Western and Central Europe). The men with this Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148386437983033079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8277026140617234092022-02-22T03:17:36.968-08:002022-02-22T03:17:36.968-08:005-“R1b-M269 is from Eastern Europe, it comes from ...5-“R1b-M269 is from Eastern Europe, it comes from EHGs”- M269 is from EHGs???, you must be kidding, do you know any EHG that belongs to that lineage? -You should stop talking nonsense<br /><br />6-“These are the samples that make it very likely XN191 belonged to V88” That sample is a neolithic farmer R1b-L754 and it is negative for V88, so try to adjust to reality<br /><br />7-“You appeal to Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148386437983033079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8614909554676738702022-02-22T03:16:20.429-08:002022-02-22T03:16:20.429-08:00@Simon Stevin-
“It is always fun to discuss these...@Simon Stevin-<br /><br />“It is always fun to discuss these issues with stubborn Kurganists who do not understand or do not want to understand the harsh reality. You said<br /><br />1-“Mongolia-I6222 is a dead end, but he further reinforces the steppe origin of L51”-Yes, it is a dead line because it is a garbage sample, I have already told you to ask for advice or to read the review procedure Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148386437983033079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37018126627230493452022-02-22T03:07:44.475-08:002022-02-22T03:07:44.475-08:00I6222 belongs to P310*/L52*. L52*/L52 comes from L...I6222 belongs to P310*/L52*. L52*/L52 comes from L51. L51 formed 4100 BCE, and it has a TMRCA date of 3700 BCE. Z2103 (Yamnaya and late Bohemia CW had both) and L51 descend from L23, which formed 4400 BCE; its TMRCA is 4100 BCE. That’s right towards the end of Srendy Stog, Repin, Progress/Vonyuchka, and Khvalynsk. I6222 is a dead end, but his line’s parent lineage (L51) spread out from the PonticSimon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59936631053924226922022-02-22T01:10:14.294-08:002022-02-22T01:10:14.294-08:00@Gaska
1) The samples have steppe autosomal DNA. ...@Gaska<br /><br />1) The samples have steppe autosomal DNA. The authors themselves said the dating was contaminated. Dating can be wrong, as in the case of the Alexandria R1b. They don’t have levels of contamination that would throw off analysis, only the dated element does, so via deduction, we know that the dating is at fault: “The use of a consolidant on the teeth may have resulted in Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1468655046148552252022-02-22T00:51:51.153-08:002022-02-22T00:51:51.153-08:00
it seems to me that in the Smydovo sample there...<br /><br />it seems to me that in the Smydovo sample there is some contradiction: on the one hand they say it lacks CHG ancestry. On the other they say it has Yamnaya ancestry which seems illogical. There is no Yamnaya ( aka steppe) ancestry without CHG. I2181 seems just a round of the mill Ukraine eneolithic sample. The only important thing is that it probably came from the eastern most part old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11000868884956560352022-02-22T00:48:42.292-08:002022-02-22T00:48:42.292-08:00@Gaska
1) Every R1b-M269 sample has steppe ances...@Gaska <br /><br />1) Every R1b-M269 sample has steppe ancestry. ATP3 is not M269; he could be G2a, J2a, T1a, R1b-V88/V2219, or I2a. He has abysmal coverage (37166 SNPs). I2181 has 46.1% Yamnaya in qpAdm, with a standard deviation of 17.4%. In admixture analysis, he picked up EHG, and a larger Yamnaya_Samara component. R1b-M269 is from Eastern Europe, it comes from EHGs. There’s not one M269 Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75221430026331485822022-02-22T00:29:26.602-08:002022-02-22T00:29:26.602-08:00Regarding Patterson's English R1b, the only th...Regarding Patterson's English R1b, the only thing you can think to say is that they have percentages of steppe ancestry?<br /><br />What do you think about the dating and their archaeological contexts?<br />If the dating is not wrong, we have steppe ancestry in the British Isles 500-1000 years before the arrival of the BBC to the islands. If you have read Patterson's paper carefully you Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148386437983033079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13574602396965708562022-02-22T00:29:25.009-08:002022-02-22T00:29:25.009-08:00@Gaska
ATP3 tested positive for J2-Z6046-SK2198/...@Gaska <br /><br />ATP3 tested positive for J2-Z6046-SK2198/S18476. CTS9278/PF5501/M2693, PF6518, and PF6401, are three SNPs in J2-FGC61612*, a subclade of Z6046, while PF2756 corresponds to Z6046 itself. PF2756 is a SNP in I; PF6518 and CTS9278/PF5501/M2693 are SNPs in I-CTS10057; I-Z161*, and I-L801* descend from CTS10057. Genetiker posted his results for ATP3 in September 8, 2015, so at that Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.com