tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2238453771607792423..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: mtDNAwiki on "Steppe folk" mtDNA and Indo-Iranian originsDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger247125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61081446597908650832018-01-31T03:52:22.387-08:002018-01-31T03:52:22.387-08:00@Kristiina
"I have in mind the international ...<a href="https://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112" rel="nofollow">@Kristiina</a><br /><i>"I have in mind the international trade on the Silk Road and the movement of people across Central Asia that it brings about."</i><br /><br />Yes, of course, makes sense. I forgot about this additional possibility. Thanks.<br /><br />Maybe some years from now, aDNA studies will help ironAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34760960764564901982018-01-30T00:49:18.651-08:002018-01-30T00:49:18.651-08:00A few posts removed on second look. Guys, please s...A few posts removed on second look. Guys, please stay strictly on topic here.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67250265161482424292018-01-29T23:07:55.984-08:002018-01-29T23:07:55.984-08:00@ Sam
Thanks for the link, yeah seems to be Neoli...@ Sam<br /><br />Thanks for the link, yeah seems to be Neolithic farmer then. My mtDNA is even K2b1a1 I've been told, because of the C16270T mutation. From what I've seen in the K project on FTDNA, K2b1a is indeed clearly northwest European centered, and so are the very rare K2b1a2 and K2b1a3. Only K2b1a1 has more of a central-northern distribution, but extended from Ireland, France and Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84254222450500533482018-01-29T18:19:10.592-08:002018-01-29T18:19:10.592-08:00Please note that from now on, unless comments are ...Please note that from now on, unless comments are strictly on topic in this thread, they won't appear here.<br /><br />In other words, the only things that can be discussed here are mtDNAwiki, ancient steppe mtDNA and South Central Asian mtDNA.<br /><br />No more comments about anything else concerning India and Indians, Out-of-India, and so on.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21544099816246413822018-01-29T16:48:16.658-08:002018-01-29T16:48:16.658-08:00@ Sam
I never disagreed with Natufian ancestry, a...@ Sam<br /> I never disagreed with Natufian ancestry, after all it or something similar is a major component of ANF, which is prevalent throughout Europe, esp south. But i had issue with the term “recent”, which I’d take as Roman period and after; which perhaps apart from odd individuals (eg Anatolian Greeks, people with Roma ancestry) would be small for SEE mainland. <br /><br />I’ll see if I Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89301741908649795362018-01-29T16:15:25.411-08:002018-01-29T16:15:25.411-08:00@bmdriver
You're banned from this blog becaus...@bmdriver<br /><br />You're banned from this blog because you're acting like a total crackpot. The list of the banished is here, and as you can see, you're on it...<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/09/banned-commentators-list.html<br /><br />Do not ever try to post here again.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43300209148661696142018-01-29T16:11:25.688-08:002018-01-29T16:11:25.688-08:00David, are you ready to Honor your pagan Vedic anc...David, are you ready to Honor your pagan Vedic ancestors, by embracing the Vedas and rejecting the enemy, the pagan destroying, Christian crusaders?<br /><br /><br /><br />....only highlights how stupid people are.bmdriverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02175936825472291559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63138108450755244022018-01-29T15:12:09.392-08:002018-01-29T15:12:09.392-08:00@Rob,
"I have no doubt there'll be Natufi...@Rob,<br />"I have no doubt there'll be Natufian-related ancestry in SEE. "<br /><br />Oh dang we agree on something.<br /><br />"Have you come more accross H47?"<br /><br />I've got 15 H47(s) in my database. And yes it does show a geographic pattern.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28029783751422080802018-01-29T14:42:55.447-08:002018-01-29T14:42:55.447-08:00@ Sam
I have no doubt there'll be Natufian-r...@ Sam <br /><br />I have no doubt there'll be Natufian-related ancestry in SEE. <br />Have you come more accross H47?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83527053093205152792018-01-29T14:38:41.348-08:002018-01-29T14:38:41.348-08:00@ Ric Hern
"Nowhere did I read that they cla...@ Ric Hern<br /><br />"Nowhere did I read that they claimed that the Khvalynsk Culture only started 4300 cal B"<br /><br />Yes I know you're a battler, Ric. So despite apparently reading the article, you still failed to comprehend basic english. " After applying a reservoir effect correction for the steppe Eneolithic period, the time interval for the Caspian steppe Eneolithic Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58000171928841808812018-01-29T14:33:09.865-08:002018-01-29T14:33:09.865-08:00@ROb,
Notice in the haplogroup pages on my blog o...@ROb,<br /><br />Notice in the haplogroup pages on my blog often Italy is mentioned as having typical Middle Eastern mHGs. Much of my conviction that Italy and southeastern Europe has recent Near Eastern, not only Turkey and Caucasus area, influence comes from mtDNA. Most of it comes from Turkey, like the stuff in Minoans, but not all of it.<br /><br />I've not looked at R0a in detail. Just Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30144134755332117932018-01-29T13:48:30.794-08:002018-01-29T13:48:30.794-08:00@Simon_W,
"In which cultural context was that...@Simon_W,<br />"In which cultural context was that "Neolithic" K2b1a individual found? According to your map it's 5 kya, that makes 3000 BC, so it could be well from an Indo-European LNBA context."<br /><br />It comes from a recent study which didn't get much attention in the blogosphere.<br /><br />Fraser 2018<br />New insights on cultural dualism and population Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69134161836339173532018-01-29T12:20:33.765-08:002018-01-29T12:20:33.765-08:00@Vara
Do not write that I do not know. This is de...@Vara<br /><br />Do not write that I do not know. This is denied in our time and the problems with the dating of Maykop given for our time.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63955952682408789522018-01-29T12:15:14.505-08:002018-01-29T12:15:14.505-08:00@supernord
I do not see any geologists here. I su...@supernord<br /><br />I do not see any geologists here. I suggest you help Shah with his Mantras Of Ice and Fire. Trust me you'll do an amazing job as an author of fantasy books. Atleast you'll have an excuse when you beat around the bush this time.<br /><br /><br />"(Safronov/Nikolaeva proponents of the South/Anatolian hypothesis)"<br /><br />Nice a view from the 80's that Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21892922877010014992018-01-29T12:09:54.122-08:002018-01-29T12:09:54.122-08:00@Kristiina
"With all this, I want to say tha...@Kristiina<br /><br />"With all this, I want to say that there was a trickle of West Eurasian mtDNA to India along the Silk Road for c. 2000 years. Of course, this affected mostly the upper classes and merchants."<br /><br />According to some people here mtDNA only comes during the bronze age. 800 years of East Iranians to South Asia leaves no mtDNA behind.Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91643030256657590612018-01-29T12:05:18.146-08:002018-01-29T12:05:18.146-08:00@Vara
You are disgusting. You his old ducks pass ...@Vara<br /><br />You are disgusting. You his old ducks pass for facts. The fact that you know nothing, a complete profane, the layman, it's your problem. I only write the truth, you just not. And don't bring here the person is not confirmed you. <br /><br />All would know that in archaeology there is a school (Safronov/Nikolaeva proponents of the South/Anatolian hypothesis) which denies Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5048539663286105272018-01-29T11:23:32.338-08:002018-01-29T11:23:32.338-08:00@Bronze
"its funny how the people who are co...@Bronze<br /><br />"its funny how the people who are correct and know what they are talking about here (Nirjar, postneo, Jaydeep, Vara etc) are getting silenced by biased moderation from Davidsky (who is wrong about most about what he has said) and Shah, Bob, bogdan,and anthro survey (who are factually wrong about pretty much everything they have said here."<br /><br />What's funny Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783059930095629402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64512434552305028792018-01-29T11:22:51.579-08:002018-01-29T11:22:51.579-08:00@supernord
I said many times I do not support Out...@supernord<br /><br />I said many times I do not support Out of India. You always accuse me of that after I lay an intellectual smackdown on you. <br /><br />Where are your expert geologists that claim Uzboy dried 1500 BCE? The burial texts written by Zoroaster? The Araxes in Russia? <br /><br />As dear Rob has shown you I didn't invent any dates. So you haven't refuted anything and you Varahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034396078823795105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28581231962701753252018-01-29T11:13:43.877-08:002018-01-29T11:13:43.877-08:00@ak2014b
I have in mind the international trade on...@ak2014b<br />I have in mind the international trade on the Silk Road and the movement of people across Central Asia that it brings about.<br /><br />According to Wikipedia, after the defeat of the Xiongnu, Chinese armies established themselves in Central Asia, initiating the Silk Route as a major avenue of international trade. The Silk Road essentially came into being from the 1st century BCE, Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73552293535891539862018-01-29T11:06:55.886-08:002018-01-29T11:06:55.886-08:00J2a1/J2a1a1 just sort of lurks from Spain to Hunga...J2a1/J2a1a1 just sort of lurks from Spain to Hungary in the chalcolithic and spreads out amorphously through Europe after that? Except for the New Kingdom mummy with J2a1a1, that is?Dave the Slothtopushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636798760680009469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16739244124108201802018-01-29T11:04:46.076-08:002018-01-29T11:04:46.076-08:00Bronze said...
"@supernord
Wrong. T...Bronze said...<br /><br /> "@supernord<br /><br /> Wrong. Those guys definitely know what they are talking about, and the main theories they are supporting have not been refuted at all."<br /><br />No, this is not true and a lie. When blank space starts to write nonsense, we immediately see that this is a Troll. It is tired the ignoramus.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16292466072089152692018-01-29T10:50:47.435-08:002018-01-29T10:50:47.435-08:00@ak, @kristina
"However, that 40% figure is, ...@ak, @kristina<br />"However, that 40% figure is, as they cite, from Metspalu 2004. The Palanichamy 2015 paper's own samples do not appear to reach to 40% West Eurasian for Punjab (unless they forgot to label any as Punjab, in which case I'd be getting the following wrong)."<br /><br />perhaps the balance may be from the deep India specific clades of Paleolithic depth such as postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56425008071210652212018-01-29T10:22:36.570-08:002018-01-29T10:22:36.570-08:00@supernord
Wrong. Those guys definitely know what...@supernord<br /><br />Wrong. Those guys definitely know what they are talking about, and the main theories they are supporting have not been refuted at all.<br /><br />its the other posters i mentioned, most notably Shahansha, who are completely wrong about everything. Its laughable to read what they write. Bronzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04401880046015151556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68264198627043098212018-01-29T10:21:31.303-08:002018-01-29T10:21:31.303-08:00(More over, not only India occupies the territory ...(More over, not only India occupies the territory of the IVC. Pakistan does too, and apparently there are samples from there too that are surely not affected by any "Hindu nationalism". So worry not about politics, this is just important for us. No one else really cares).Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63600280463778892262018-01-29T10:17:16.568-08:002018-01-29T10:17:16.568-08:00@ak2014b and @Kristiina
Thanks to both for all th...@ak2014b and @Kristiina<br /><br />Thanks to both for all the data you've provided. I understand that mtDNA is a but complicated and besides I'm really not much into it, so I'll simply thank everyone for the work and not make any judgement about it. The thread is bad enough as it is.<br /><br />Let's wait for aDNA to tell us the truth and put an end to this. (But unfortunately it&Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.com