tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2398986772275837651..comments2024-03-28T23:21:04.175-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Population genomics of Stone Age Eurasia (Allentoft et al. 2022 preprint)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger246125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28074455225287664722022-07-29T21:10:19.097-07:002022-07-29T21:10:19.097-07:00@Ric Hern,
Welcome to the R1b L51>P312>L21 ...@Ric Hern,<br /><br />Welcome to the R1b L51>P312>L21 tribe! I say this because Indo-European Y DNA really is the marker of specific IE tribes. Western Corded Ware (L51), then Bell Beaker (P312), then British Bell beaker (L21), etc. Our Y DNA isn't from a line of random men, it comes from a line of whole tribes. Pretty cool. <br /><br />I can take a look at your mtDNA. I am an mtDNA Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81284033645301728902022-06-25T18:33:11.614-07:002022-06-25T18:33:11.614-07:00New HG sample helps explain low-CHG, high-HG of Co...New HG sample helps explain low-CHG, high-HG of Corded Ware. Can't wait for the deeper analysis to come.Neohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503437855052812583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89657002376993639592022-06-14T11:18:05.511-07:002022-06-14T11:18:05.511-07:00@Gaska
And we’ve gone over I6222 dozens of times....@Gaska<br /><br />And we’ve gone over I6222 dozens of times. He has nothing but derived calls at the M269, L51 and L52 levels, reliable calls found in no other haplogroups/clades. Contamination is measured via the mtDNA and the X-chromosome, not the other autosomes and Y-DNA. If he were contaminated he would have had further calls for more recent clades (anachronistic TMRCAs) beyond the L52 levelSimon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85802417278605200632022-06-14T10:54:46.384-07:002022-06-14T10:54:46.384-07:00@Gaska
“Regarding the WHGs, as we have R1b-L754 i...@Gaska<br /><br />“Regarding the WHGs, as we have R1b-L754 in Villabruna and as we know that the Villabruna cluster expanded to France (Iboussieres-R1b-L754) and the Iberian Peninsula (El Mirón-18 ka), we will surely find more cases of this lineage in Western Europe, so besides preparing yourself not to suffer a heart attack, prepare new arguments, because saying that P297 is pretty damn relevantSimon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26289929757545846162022-06-14T10:54:07.071-07:002022-06-14T10:54:07.071-07:00@Gaska
“You can go on thinking that L52 has its o...@Gaska <br />“You can go on thinking that L52 has its origin in Mongolia or you can think that R1b has its origin in Siberia, but the only certainty is that after 10 years you have not found M269>L51>L151>P312 neither in the steppes nor in the forest steppe, nor in Siberia.”<br /><br />You are so slow and dense. There is this thing in biology and genetics called phylogeny. R1b derives Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89244429921505824702022-06-14T10:52:10.562-07:002022-06-14T10:52:10.562-07:00@Gaska
You need to learn how to read English pro...@Gaska <br /><br />You need to learn how to read English properly, because you clearly can’t comprehend anything I wrote. All you do is construct straw mans. <br /><br />“R1b-L754, R1b-P297, R1b-M73 and R1b-V88 are typical and characteristic lineages of WHGs regardless of their geographical location (France, Italy, Denmark, Spain, Germany, Balkans or Baltic). They are older in these regions than Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29161046255448477312022-05-28T10:41:34.092-07:002022-05-28T10:41:34.092-07:00@Simon, also related, check out - https://www.bior...@Simon, also related, check out - https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/457515v1.full. The polygenic scores for some of these psychiatric problems are higher in the steppe ancestry rich regions of the UK: https://imgur.com/a/q9QHTIlMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64185681272760100762022-05-28T10:18:42.240-07:002022-05-28T10:18:42.240-07:00@Simon_W; that seems odd to me. In UK Biobank, whe...@Simon_W; that seems odd to me. In UK Biobank, where these loci are ascertained, steppe ancestry is enriched in the North of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, where anxiety disorders also tend to be enriched - https://ocsi.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/MentalHealth_mood_disorders.png<br /><br />It's also at odds with some of the geography of self repoted trait Neuroticism in the Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81622856127082044592022-05-23T10:43:42.556-07:002022-05-23T10:43:42.556-07:00@Simon_W
I wouldn't read much into the behavi...@Simon_W<br /><br />I wouldn't read much into the behavioral associated loci. There are too many confounding factors to use associations from a modern UK sample and try to project that millennia into the past and expect it be meaningful. Time and again these effects have been shown to be due to population stratification and other extraneous factors.Synomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06530360409931021011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85337595559159063402022-05-22T22:52:53.067-07:002022-05-22T22:52:53.067-07:00And I think it's the rather "stoic" ...And I think it's the rather "stoic" temperaments that tend to be susceptible to this.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62933828568359820642022-05-22T22:39:48.328-07:002022-05-22T22:39:48.328-07:00Which countries have the highest suicide rates? I&...Which countries have the highest suicide rates? I'm not sure, but isn't it something like Finland or Japan? In any case rather not the Mediterranean countries. So this isn't associated with irritability or excitability, but rather with a difficulty of enjoying life, a lack of positive feelings. Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46568017328973044062022-05-22T06:36:30.800-07:002022-05-22T06:36:30.800-07:00Simon_W said...
"Now the politically correct ...Simon_W said...<br />"Now the politically correct explanation for such mentality differences between peoples is that it's entirely cultural, it's acquired, it has no basis in the blood, in the DNA. And that it's a random product of the course of history, maybe influenced by the natural environment at most. But now we see that higher irritability is indeed inherited from the alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03426425578521933390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21525919347095910742022-05-20T16:57:53.994-07:002022-05-20T16:57:53.994-07:00I hope they will improve the resolution of their y...I hope they will improve the resolution of their yDNA haplotree graphs in the supplement part 1. They are completely useless the way they are now, the resolution is so low that you can't read anything.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78493032566448685142022-05-20T14:03:15.121-07:002022-05-20T14:03:15.121-07:00If I may add an observation on a falsification of ...If I may add an observation on a falsification of physical anthropological typology in this paper: It's the finding that Steppe ancestry in the British Isles is strongest on the Celtic fringe, and particularly in Ireland, while Anatolian Farmer ancestry is strongest in the south and east of England. Anthropological typologists like Deniker, Eickstedt, Biasutti, Lundman, Coon etc. Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35603385440346239912022-05-20T13:06:00.011-07:002022-05-20T13:06:00.011-07:00Re: the brachycephalic Borreby skulls, this is ano...Re: the brachycephalic Borreby skulls, this is another remarkable surprise. Because for a very long time they were believed to be Mesolithic survivors, descendants of local hunter-gatherers. Now it turned out they were post-CWC and closely related with Bell Beakers, what a difference!Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29957690481678243902022-05-20T12:59:23.251-07:002022-05-20T12:59:23.251-07:00I found this finding of the paper fascinating:
&q...I found this finding of the paper fascinating:<br /><br />"Interestingly, loci associated with overdispersed mood-related polygenic phenotypes recorded among the UK Biobank individuals (like increased anxiety, guilty feelings, and irritability) showed an overrepresentation of the Anatolian farmer ancestry component"<br /><br />From Vonderach's book on the psychology of peoples I Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86003292640839301672022-05-19T08:24:14.004-07:002022-05-19T08:24:14.004-07:00@Rob
People move around and die out, especially i...@Rob<br /><br />People move around and die out, especially in nearly inhabitable landmasses. It's like finding a needle in a haystack. You're not going to argue that 24,000 years ago in Siberia we have someone pretty close to the R1 founder, who is our sample ANE population are you? If the 1000 BC mummies are most closely related to this ancestor + other stuff. Obviously the descendants AWoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14966600445259901063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55368493957251070002022-05-18T17:09:42.998-07:002022-05-18T17:09:42.998-07:00@Romulus
Yeah, right, see that's why I block ...@Romulus<br /><br />Yeah, right, see that's why I block some of your comments.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4847096709788736562022-05-18T16:58:59.993-07:002022-05-18T16:58:59.993-07:00It boggles my mind how you will let spaghetti reta...It boggles my mind how you will let spaghetti retard make these ridiculous statements about winning the genetic lottery (all the genes made him was short and greasy) , and insult me, but not even approve at least my Fredo comment. Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50348210067142628542022-05-18T07:21:06.780-07:002022-05-18T07:21:06.780-07:00Romulus said... "Rocca you are an Etruscan&qu...Romulus said... <i>"Rocca you are an Etruscan"</i><br /><br />I am thrilled that my U152>L2 subclade has been found in an Iron Age Latin and an Iron Age Etruscan. So yes, I won the Y-DNA lottery. I'm sure you meant it at a slight, but then again, you don't seem all that intelligent.Richard Roccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137962922951473003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19770393252973128472022-05-17T20:39:12.352-07:002022-05-17T20:39:12.352-07:00Gaska said "You have changed Steppe-Yamnaya t...Gaska said <i>"You have changed Steppe-Yamnaya to Forest Steppe-CWC, but you still can't find R1b-M269>L51. I wish you luck, you're going to need it."</i><br /><br />Well, I changed in 2018, which is what unbiased people do when new data is presented. And by the way, I already have knowledge that L51 was there. When you see the samples, you will be very, very disappointed. Richard Roccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137962922951473003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89122352462866502802022-05-17T01:10:47.576-07:002022-05-17T01:10:47.576-07:00Arza, nice to see you again!Arza, nice to see you again!ambronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238484037682022972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27379908488736925212022-05-16T23:31:07.361-07:002022-05-16T23:31:07.361-07:00I see a sample from Çatalhöyük 8590 ybp. had MtDNA...I see a sample from Çatalhöyük 8590 ybp. had MtDNA Haplogroup H2a2a1d and some Romans in Italy...but that was all I could find.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36124130758113480862022-05-16T23:10:02.219-07:002022-05-16T23:10:02.219-07:00Got my results at long last. Y-DNA R1b L21 and MtD...Got my results at long last. Y-DNA R1b L21 and MtDNA Haplogroup H2a2a1d. Hello to all my Steppe long lost cousins. Heheheeh. Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-477112630498490152022-05-16T17:18:02.611-07:002022-05-16T17:18:02.611-07:00Re: Stable population
BAM files:
https://pastebi...Re: Stable population<br /><br />BAM files: <br />https://pastebin.com/m4pHxMuG<br /><br />They should be available soon.<br /><br />BTW Genomes from Verteba Cave are online too if anyone is willing to process them (fastq):<br />https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB38797?show=readsArzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.com