tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post247666400562327939..comments2024-03-18T21:52:07.486-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: D-stats/nMonte open threadDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger228125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46417601096448673582016-04-02T23:44:09.232-07:002016-04-02T23:44:09.232-07:00Davidski
I am a very late with my answer, but may...Davidski<br /><br />I am a very late with my answer, but maybe you still read it.<br /><br /><i>"But I do think it's often possible to work out whether specific language groups were spoken in particular places at certain times, and genetics can be used to help make such judgements."</i><br /><br />I agree with this statement of course. But your arguments often imply that those Slumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29701621905537361992016-03-26T16:21:41.393-07:002016-03-26T16:21:41.393-07:00It depends on the model used, but keep in mind tha...It depends on the model used, but keep in mind that it's difficult to estimate CHG ancestry with ADMIXTURE-based calculators.<br /><br />In my D-stats/nMonte analysis Adygei score 29.5% extra CHG above what they have in the Yamnaya, Karasuk and maybe other components. So their overall CHG score should be about 40%.<br /><br />https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81324173789889810132016-03-26T12:48:16.255-07:002016-03-26T12:48:16.255-07:00@Davidsky,
I'm really relieved to see that so...@Davidsky,<br /><br />I'm really relieved to see that some North Caucasians can in fact score around 20% CHG. On both my mother's and my father's side, I'm a Kebertei Circassian with very old family records, and I scored only 24.12 Caucasus_HG according to the recently updated puntDNAL K10. Some people told me that I was supposed to score much higher CHG, but I scored around 50% Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03107803159712487003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47195562297368910132016-03-24T21:26:02.940-07:002016-03-24T21:26:02.940-07:00And another one...
https://drive.google.com/file/...And another one...<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQRmRlZzdvOExDaDQ/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18568069604240957472016-03-23T06:34:10.386-07:002016-03-23T06:34:10.386-07:00New D-stats sheet with Motala_HG samples included ...New D-stats sheet with Motala_HG samples included in the rows and columns.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQUzh3T0EwMHdSeUU/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76638961807811110132016-03-18T03:04:48.824-07:002016-03-18T03:04:48.824-07:00@Davidski
In my comment to your post of Match 1st...@Davidski<br /><br />In my comment to your post of Match 1st I did actually make a summary of numerous new data, referring the new, archaeological timeline that links the late paleolithic Hamburg/Bromme/Pertunian-culture to the early mesolithic Ahrensburg/Lyngby/Swidrien-cultures. <br /><br />Thus we have a well documented match, in both time and space, rhrough ALL the critical climate-phases of batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61473084413982197852016-03-18T03:03:20.263-07:002016-03-18T03:03:20.263-07:00@Davidski
In my comment to your post of Match 1st...@Davidski<br /><br />In my comment to your post of Match 1st I did actually make a summary of numerous new data, referring the new, archaeological timeline that links the late paleolithic Hamburg/Bromme/Pertunian-culture to the early mesolithic Ahrensburg/Lyngby/Swidrien-cultures. <br /><br />Thus we have a well documented match, in both time and space, rhrough ALL the critical climate-phases of batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90113865253878171972016-03-17T05:12:00.323-07:002016-03-17T05:12:00.323-07:00This latest sheet has a lot of East Eurasian outgr...This latest sheet has a lot of East Eurasian outgroups. Might be better for East Asian ancestry.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQNTdxcm1xbUhXVXc/view?usp=sharing Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65500716366713215062016-03-17T05:01:10.247-07:002016-03-17T05:01:10.247-07:00To some degree they capture the same thing.
Only ...To some degree they capture the same thing.<br /><br />Only Atayal in rough order<br />West Sicilian, Albanian, Estonian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Ukrainian_East, French, some Iberians, Bergamo, Sardinian, Czech, English.<br /><br />Only Karasuk in rough order:<br />Kumyk, Chechen, Finnish, Iranian Jew, Georgian Jew, Lezgin, Abkhasian, Iraqi Jew, Syrian, Lebanese, Armenians, Bedouins, Georgians, Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36429025205973436712016-03-17T04:56:18.604-07:002016-03-17T04:56:18.604-07:00Probably not enough East Asian outgroups in that p...Probably not enough East Asian outgroups in that particular sheet to estimate East Asian ancestry correctly.<br /><br />But I can tell you that the elevated East Asia in Estonians versus Lithuanians does make sense.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86654031934502136862016-03-17T04:46:06.290-07:002016-03-17T04:46:06.290-07:00Alberto
On that previous sheet the Atayal percent...Alberto<br /><br />On that previous sheet the Atayal percentages make no sense, this is why I'm saying that is noise cause by the high MA1 related ancestry in India. And also yes some Europeans pick up dravidian but the model is generaly worst (isn't that imply that there is a shared ancestry but not a direct one?). I mean, Estonian is 3,75 while lithuanians are 0, Maltese 0 while Arielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06705005224594803817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34074490549774016692016-03-17T00:43:12.114-07:002016-03-17T00:43:12.114-07:00Sein,
Try this one. Hopefully it doesn't have...Sein,<br /><br />Try this one. Hopefully it doesn't have any errors.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQNTdxcm1xbUhXVXc/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87488162677765412072016-03-16T13:02:11.768-07:002016-03-16T13:02:11.768-07:00
Seemingly random preferences of Karelia_HG a...<br /><br /> Seemingly random preferences of Karelia_HG and MA-1. Could be an outgroup selection issue, or it could support the idea that modern populations have ANE from a group equally related to MA-1 and Karelia_HG. Then again, RK pointed out that the double outgroup (Primate X SSA Y) method of D-stat similarity has issues and that Nick Patterson agrees, which is why they use a single Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84764665809575904062016-03-16T12:44:02.601-07:002016-03-16T12:44:02.601-07:00Some fits for Siberians without only Dai and Onge ...Some fits for Siberians without only Dai and Onge as ENA, but with MA1:<br /><br />Yakut - Dai 77.1, MA1 18.5, Karelia_HG 4.05, Anatolia_Neolithic 0.35 (distance% = 1.2803%)<br />Ulchi - Dai 91.1, MA1 8.9 (distance% = 1.6771%)<br />Nganasan - Dai 80.75, MA1 15.3, Karelia_HG 3.95 (distance% = 1.8578)<br />Itelmen - Dai 77.7, Karelia_HG 14.3, MA1 - 8 (distance% = 3.3039)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62913060682875210382016-03-16T12:38:06.723-07:002016-03-16T12:38:06.723-07:00@Alberto and Matt,
You got to take out East Asian...@Alberto and Matt,<br /><br />You got to take out East Asians and Africans, when modelling South Asians. You should only do that if there are relevant East Asian and African outgroups. David's D-stat's outgroups are good at displaying European diversity and it also pretty good at displaying West Asian diversity, but certainly not for Africa and East Asia. Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26080466254635533862016-03-16T12:20:43.273-07:002016-03-16T12:20:43.273-07:00@ Chad, thanks for the MA-1 stats, they've all...@ Chad, thanks for the MA-1 stats, they've allowed me to include MA-1 in some nMonte runs (still have a couple of regression predicted stats in there, for Hungary_HG to Onge2 and Karelia_HG to Onge2, but they look basically right, so I don't think they cause any problems).<br /><br />Using MA1 as well as the set I used upthread plus Itelmen (Anatolia_Neolithic, BedouinB, Caucasus_HG, DaiMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36898836962799613862016-03-16T09:36:36.755-07:002016-03-16T09:36:36.755-07:00More evidence of Steppe migration to South Asia. I...More evidence of Steppe migration to South Asia. I used the method I described above(finding ghost ancestors) on Tajikistan and Gujarat. <br /><br />I assumed they have ancestry from people like Kharia. I then tried to find who their non-Kharia ancestors are. Here's the makeup of their non-Kharia ancestors, when I model it as Steppe/EEF/WHG/CHG/Northern West Asia(Caucasus, Iran, Iraq).<br /><Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63275094151738025552016-03-16T05:11:15.397-07:002016-03-16T05:11:15.397-07:00To sum up, do you mean this:
Afanasievo 3300 BC, ...To sum up, do you mean this:<br /><br />Afanasievo 3300 BC, Caucasus HG 10% + EHG, Proto-IE<br />Southern Yamnaya 3200 BC, Caucasus HG 5.75% + EHG, Proto-Hittite<br />Fatyanovo 3200 BC, Caucasus HG 0?, IE (xHittite, Tocharian)<br />Finnish Corded Ware 3200 BC, Caucasus HG 0?, IE (xHittite, Tocharian)<br />Western Corded Ware 2900 BC, Caucasus HG 0%, IE (xHittite, Tocharian, Armenian)<br />Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42705223708125746782016-03-16T02:17:26.387-07:002016-03-16T02:17:26.387-07:00@batman
There are two threads on Uralics at the l...@batman<br /><br />There are two threads on Uralics at the links below. Feel free to post your evidence there.<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/uralic-genes.html<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/reconstructing-genetic-history-of.html<br /><br />If these threads are too dead for you, then please wait until the topic of Uralic origins comes up again. This Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11790204492571177962016-03-16T01:55:56.332-07:002016-03-16T01:55:56.332-07:00"Afanasievo is derived from a Yamnaya populat..."Afanasievo is derived from a Yamnaya population genetically intermediate between Yamnaya Kalmykia and Yamnaya Samara."<br /><br />Yamnaya Kalmykia: Anatolia Neolithic 0.4, Atayal 0, Caucasus HG 5.75, Karasuk outlier 2, Loschbour WHG 0, Yamnaya Samara 90<br />Yamnaya Samara: Yamnaya Samara 100<br /><br />Afanasievo: Anatolia Neolithic 0, Atayal 0, Caucasus HG 9.1, Karasuk outlier 3.8, Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32577609329076248462016-03-16T01:40:23.992-07:002016-03-16T01:40:23.992-07:00@Davidski
1) So what happened to the new evidence...@Davidski<br /><br />1) So what happened to the new evidence I already posted - on your blog-post from Match 1st?<br /><br />2) Well known professors of archeology and history have claimed that an early-mesolithic arrival of the uralic language is the ONLY sensible way to explain WHEN the uralic language spread north to the Gulf of Finland.<br /><br />So what is it they did not know, that you batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69238190185731662942016-03-16T01:04:22.765-07:002016-03-16T01:04:22.765-07:00@Krefter
One thing about CHG is that it behaves a...@Krefter<br /><br />One thing about CHG is that it behaves a bit differently in D-Stats and in Admixture. Kotias has an underwhelming behaviour in D-stats, only showing high'ish affinity to Georgians, Yamnaya to a lesser degree some North Europeans that got direct Yamnaya input. On the other hand, in admixture the CHG component is very strong from India to SE Europe.<br /><br />So one Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85672925217469857022016-03-16T00:53:09.845-07:002016-03-16T00:53:09.845-07:00Afanasievo is derived from a Yamnaya population ge...Afanasievo is derived from a Yamnaya population genetically intermediate between Yamnaya Kalmykia and Yamnaya Samara.<br /><br />So Afanasievo males probably belonged to R1b, although they may have been R1a if, like Corded Ware, they actually originated from an as yet unsampled Yamnaya group or closely related steppe population that carried R1a.<br /><br />If they come out R1a, this will also Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4592836844163092232016-03-16T00:25:45.206-07:002016-03-16T00:25:45.206-07:00Onur, it is interesting that Afanasievo (9.1%) has...Onur, it is interesting that Afanasievo (9.1%) has even more Caucasus HG than Yamnaya Kalmykia (5.75%) in spite of Afanasievo being in Altai and much farther away from Caucasus. Compare:<br /><br />Afanasievo: Anatolia Neolithic 0%, Caucasus HG 9.1%, Loschbour WHG 0%<br />Altai Iron Age: Anatolia Neolithic 5.9%, Caucasus HG 3.55%, Loschbour WHG 0.25%<br /><br />Azeri Baku: Anatolia Neolithic Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71145927601588482312016-03-16T00:21:34.720-07:002016-03-16T00:21:34.720-07:00A few words to the cluster Analysis, especially wi...A few words to the cluster Analysis, especially with regards to the Italian samples: It's somewhat surprising that North Italians and Tuscans cluster with the Greek1 sample, at least that's not what PCAs have hinted at. However, in one of the biggest craniometric cluster analyses of antique crania, with as many measurements as possible, (by I. Schwidetzky) I have seen something very Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.com