tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2551272990990935606..comments2024-03-28T03:42:11.788-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: David Reich on the origin of the Yamnaya people (!?)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4215035023745290922023-01-13T09:14:55.148-08:002023-01-13T09:14:55.148-08:00Persian never ruled bharat if we leave nadar shah....Persian never ruled bharat if we leave nadar shah.indogreek migrated and saka, parthian,kushan were descended of ancient indians.some of hunnic were defeated by guptas.Rig Vedic Clanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206380143269036165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51778497736182093052023-01-13T08:57:22.956-08:002023-01-13T08:57:22.956-08:00@rob harappan is much older that oldest site is 75...@rob harappan is much older that oldest site is 7570bce and majority of sites are still not excavated.Rig Vedic Clanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206380143269036165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73580002101902057392023-01-13T08:50:04.772-08:002023-01-13T08:50:04.772-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rig Vedic Clanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206380143269036165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14017180589267558612022-10-06T12:33:34.855-07:002022-10-06T12:33:34.855-07:00Yamnaya is not like 50% Iranian/Armenian.
You'...Yamnaya is not like 50% Iranian/Armenian.<br /><br />You're very confused. This might help...<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2022/09/dear-iosifyamnaya.html<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30737916350421782582022-10-06T08:13:41.033-07:002022-10-06T08:13:41.033-07:00"Yamnaya doesn't have any ancestry from I..."Yamnaya doesn't have any ancestry from Iran."<br /><br />Did you even read the new paper? Yamnaya is like 50% Iranian/ArmenianAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14915629980381444327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52198724946964995982022-08-26T17:49:12.512-07:002022-08-26T17:49:12.512-07:00@semaz Ha! Finally! Looking forward to the analysi...@semaz Ha! Finally! Looking forward to the analysis that pops up here.Neohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503437855052812583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71315455856460381692022-08-26T11:09:50.616-07:002022-08-26T11:09:50.616-07:00This is a really interesting article and places th...This is a really interesting article and places the source of Early Indo-Europeans in the Caucasus. Linguistically I think the map makes a lot of sense. This would give a date of ca 4,000BC in the Caucasus for Early proto-Indo-European (called Indo-Anatolian in the article) and ca 3,000BC for Late proto-Indo-European (called Indo-European in the article).<br /><br />There is no reason why the Nedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587106110216098897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73942242415257426872022-08-26T05:17:39.876-07:002022-08-26T05:17:39.876-07:00You asked a day too soon, because the paper is out...You asked a day too soon, because the paper is out today:<br /><br />https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4247semazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08264737203086407423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33518377159658569472022-08-25T06:32:49.412-07:002022-08-25T06:32:49.412-07:00Has any text from this talk been released yet?Has any text from this talk been released yet?Neohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503437855052812583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51255634493904868922022-07-31T01:29:12.561-07:002022-07-31T01:29:12.561-07:00@ Nathan Paul
In a way that’s correct; the long d...@ Nathan Paul<br /><br />In a way that’s correct; the long distant ancestors of PIE were eastern epigravettians from the paleolithic. No spaceships are required<br />It always helps to learn some basics of history - the earliest heirarchical society - Varna; the earliest developed metallurgy - Vinca, massive population concentrations - Cucuteni. These are all close to the western steppe, and Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20490597974557736692022-07-29T09:21:58.627-07:002022-07-29T09:21:58.627-07:00Indo European, Anatolian, Iranian all are combinat...Indo European, Anatolian, Iranian all are combination/mix of joining different areas. They are in Moderate temperature areas where early civilization started and society innovated. European spread and adaptation to these areas joined them all together. it's a natural spread of human migration and expansion. If Pontic steppe is their home land. where did they come from previous generation Nathan Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18392998104066477963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79412324850726391162022-07-27T04:07:45.016-07:002022-07-27T04:07:45.016-07:00@ Phillip Owen
Indo-Armenian? Why not some other p...@ Phillip Owen<br />Indo-Armenian? Why not some other peripheral branch of IE , like Lusitano-Belgic, Norweigo-Swedic or Croato-Latvian ?<br />A historically correct and “neutral” term for ancestral PIE would be Dnieper-Donian :)<br /><br /><br /><br />@ Assuwatama<br /><br />''Patrilineal markers reveal nothing.''<br /><br />Yes we hear that often from people who don't quiteRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49152109715590026122022-07-27T01:00:49.371-07:002022-07-27T01:00:49.371-07:00R1a is strongly correlated with Indo-European spee...R1a is strongly correlated with Indo-European speech in South Asia.<br /><br />And indeed the recent ancestors of those R1a Dravidians were Indo-European speakers.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39012738336968157152022-07-26T23:38:27.165-07:002022-07-26T23:38:27.165-07:00Patrilineal markers reveal nothing....Teach
We ha...Patrilineal markers reveal nothing....Teach<br /><br />We have Dravidian speakers carrying R1a-z2123. There are more English speakers in India than UK :) Assuwatama https://www.blogger.com/profile/09103619946493477587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39641090891811348752022-07-26T20:07:47.839-07:002022-07-26T20:07:47.839-07:00Indo-Armenian doesn't make any sense.
Armenia...Indo-Armenian doesn't make any sense.<br /><br />Armenian is definitely from the steppe according to linguistics, ancient DNA and archeology.<br /><br />On the other hand, there are numerous problems with a West Asian PIE homeland, including the lack of West Asian uniparental markers in Yamnaya and Corded Ware, the presence of numerous other language families in the region, and the evidence Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54957223120952100822022-07-26T11:32:44.995-07:002022-07-26T11:32:44.995-07:00Indo-Armenian makes a lot of sense linguistically....Indo-Armenian makes a lot of sense linguistically. According to Anthony, Hittite has sheep words but no wool, wheel, cart or wagon words from PIE. So the early PIE speakers moving to the steppes at least culturally and then domesticating the horse, the wooly sheep, inventing the wheel, cart and wagon all fits.Philip Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11616024060477097261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23738140602413441892022-07-19T13:51:45.691-07:002022-07-19T13:51:45.691-07:00@Davidski
"The idea that Anatolian languages...@Davidski<br /><br />"The idea that Anatolian languages came from the Near East or even the Caucasus is actually quite stupid."<br /><br /><br />Is anyone here able to prove that he has more sound evidence for the PIE homeland than the famous geneticists from prestigious universities? Going against Harvard and Manx Plank scholars requires excellent arguments, otherwise, people won'tWise dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04528558596323917503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77443215253981360072022-07-18T15:27:52.078-07:002022-07-18T15:27:52.078-07:00Hittites and other Anatolian speakers are from the...Hittites and other Anatolian speakers are from the steppe.<br /><br />The reason there isn't much steppe ancestry in ancient Anatolia is because Anatolian speakers were the first to migrate out of the steppe homeland, and their ancestry was diluted.<br /><br />This actually also fits the Indo-European language tree, with Anatolian languages the first to break off from the tree near the root.<Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47812774712681764992022-07-18T06:37:13.213-07:002022-07-18T06:37:13.213-07:00According to the original paper from 2013, Yamna...According to the original paper from 2013, Yamna was a combination of EEHG and something from southern arc, *also ANE rich*. If hittite samples did not carry steppe signal but did carry caucasus/iran component, it just moves PIE language further back in time and further to NE as ANE people, presented both in EEHG and CHG become the original PIE speakers, spreading both ANE genes and PIE Sthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16467362500969832309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65226006656296945752022-07-17T04:42:36.844-07:002022-07-17T04:42:36.844-07:00Poor argument.
Languages can't be written dow...Poor argument.<br /><br />Languages can't be written down unless someone knows how to write.<br /><br />No one knew how to write in the Proto-Indo-European homeland, because this homeland wasn't in a region where there were civilizations and/or writing.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79697458468857428512022-07-17T04:34:35.431-07:002022-07-17T04:34:35.431-07:00What about the fact that the oldest attestations o...What about the fact that the oldest attestations of IE are in Anatolia. They even had a hieroglyphic script developed entirely in IEDumplinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03656535396654627153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90781487792994773032022-07-04T06:32:38.880-07:002022-07-04T06:32:38.880-07:00Yeah, there were obviously migrations of steppe pe...Yeah, there were obviously migrations of steppe people down into eastern Bulgaria, and then into Anatolia, but in very specific ways.<br /><br />This is how Anatolian languages moved into Anatolia, and the idea that there should be loads of steppe ancestry in Anatolia if the PIE homeland was on the steppe is quite silly, putting it mildly.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74354234187272661892022-07-04T05:40:16.984-07:002022-07-04T05:40:16.984-07:00About Steppe population reaching Anatolia, a small...About Steppe population reaching Anatolia, a small paper from 2021:<br />https://www.academia.edu/47868329/%C4%B0stanbulun_M%C3%96_3_Biny%C4%B1l%C4%B1_%C5%9Eeng%C3%BCl_G_Ayd%C4%B1ng%C3%BCn_Nezih_Ba%C5%9Fgelen_Haldun_Ayd%C4%B1ng%C3%BCn_Ayberk_Enez<br />" Although our knowledge of Istanbul’s Lower Paleolithic to Chalcolithic ages is limited, It was known thanks to the studies done in the 19<brFolkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269054619016691149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5553953707142935912022-06-24T01:50:15.412-07:002022-06-24T01:50:15.412-07:00"Huge hoard of copper weapons and items found..."Huge hoard of copper weapons and items found in Mainpuri. Estimated to be around 4k years old i.e. similar age as the Sinauli finings."<br /><br />Its kinda interesting that these weapons start showing up East of Harappa in the Ganga plains starting 2000bce and not in your traditionally Harappan sites.<br /><br />Did it belong to the natives and were used against the Harappans who at Assuwatama https://www.blogger.com/profile/09103619946493477587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9021419350166005072022-06-23T02:42:01.713-07:002022-06-23T02:42:01.713-07:00Yeah; maybe the mountain people could "afford...Yeah; maybe the mountain people could "afford" to be hostile without losing because of their home turf advantage, or just were more likely to be hostile due to culture? (Protecting scarce lands and pasture?).<br /><br />There's a big question here actually, of the role of mountains and islands generally in survival of language isolates and unusual dna. We've got Basque in SW Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.com