tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2778961573481544920..comments2024-03-29T04:00:27.058-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: More Botai genomes (Jeong et al. 2018 preprint)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74934954028071707062018-05-25T13:30:21.896-07:002018-05-25T13:30:21.896-07:00@Davidski, do you think it will be possible for yo...@Davidski, do you think it will be possible for you to calculate Fst scores with any of the new samples from the Damgaard papers in particular? And a set of populations similar to the last matrix you provided (though ideally with Ulchi as well and really ideally more world populations).<br /><br />I'd like to try and put them through the Fst PCoA and some other forms of analysis, to see if Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42466107301831901942018-05-25T11:38:20.057-07:002018-05-25T11:38:20.057-07:00Baikal HG is quite similar to certain modern Tungu...Baikal HG is quite similar to certain modern Tungusic peoples, I don't think anyone has even suggested any direct admixture in South Asia. WSHG and maybe Botai are another matter. Narasimhan says WSHG was present back in Indus_Periphery. Botai gives the strongest ANE-related f3 signal in Iron Age Swat but they didn't use it in any other tests in that preprint.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34989314482592389182018-05-25T10:38:59.628-07:002018-05-25T10:38:59.628-07:00@Shaikorth
That eastern admixture is what exclude...@Shaikorth<br /><br />That eastern admixture is what excludes them as the source of WSHG in South Asians, correct?Aniasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07886802151041914832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69614717437901844172018-05-25T09:46:28.116-07:002018-05-25T09:46:28.116-07:00@Aniasi
Damgaard et al. suggested they were a prev...@Aniasi<br />Damgaard et al. suggested they were a previously unknown isolated East Eurasian population that separated from the Han branch post-LGM but that may not be the full picture, they appear to have some ANE (Daur+AG3 works in qpAdm) which wasn't tested in the paper.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-92232645381596608602018-05-25T09:11:41.614-07:002018-05-25T09:11:41.614-07:00@Shaikorth
Thanks! What do we know of these Baika...@Shaikorth<br /><br />Thanks! What do we know of these Baikal HG and their relationship to WSHG?Aniasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07886802151041914832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15977753720673057882018-05-25T08:42:03.257-07:002018-05-25T08:42:03.257-07:00@Aniasi
Botai are like Neolithic West Siberian HG&...@Aniasi<br />Botai are like Neolithic West Siberian HG's but a bit more Baikal HG-shifted (can be modeled as WSHG+ShamankaEN).<br />The actual Neolithic WSHG's are close to the ANE in EHG's - maybe closer than anything else found so far - since modeling EHG's as WSHG+WHG using qpAdm works quite well.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11954879247443163492018-05-25T07:46:23.873-07:002018-05-25T07:46:23.873-07:00Can someone explain who these Botai people are, an...Can someone explain who these Botai people are, and what their relationship with other groups would be?<br /><br />All I can understand is that they are West Siberian HG descendants of ANE, but not the same ANE that mixed with WHG to make EHG... is this correct?Aniasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07886802151041914832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32250163736475664112018-05-24T23:49:40.408-07:002018-05-24T23:49:40.408-07:00@ Lee Albee
Thanks.@ Lee Albee <br /><br />Thanks.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15836738479931860962018-05-24T18:56:31.444-07:002018-05-24T18:56:31.444-07:00@Hern. Much older than ANE. AnE or beringia popu...@Hern. Much older than ANE. AnE or beringia populations split from east asia about 25k years ago.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09922322126268076554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48961722964013335502018-05-24T10:47:15.596-07:002018-05-24T10:47:15.596-07:00@ AWood
Thanks. So was Ust Ishim Man before ANE ...@ AWood <br /><br />Thanks. So was Ust Ishim Man before ANE formation then ?<br /><br />Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42193753662229312902018-05-24T06:11:00.060-07:002018-05-24T06:11:00.060-07:00@Ric Hern
Probably R. Between now and 24,000 ybp ...@Ric Hern<br /><br />Probably R. Between now and 24,000 ybp there have been gradual inputs that have created EHG and so forth. R1 is probably a better fit to EHG though. It would be interesting to see some ancient R1b(xL754) from Asia, although those might turn out like Botai, somewehere between EHG and ANE.AWoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14966600445259901063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61466223413096640462018-05-24T05:37:17.212-07:002018-05-24T05:37:17.212-07:00By the way, quit spamming my blog comments.
By the way, quit spamming my blog comments.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15459869952495572692018-05-24T05:36:30.780-07:002018-05-24T05:36:30.780-07:00@Algan mardi
I not claimed that the ancient Anato...@Algan mardi<br /><br /><i>I not claimed that the ancient Anatolian samples were Hittites. The authors of the paper did.</i><br /><br />No they didn't. They classified them by historical period and location.<br /><br />Three of these samples were from the Assyrian colonies period, and two from the Old Hittite period.<br /><br />But no one knows who they were, and if they were Hittites, Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23717882608561346472018-05-24T05:32:56.076-07:002018-05-24T05:32:56.076-07:00I not claimed that the ancient Anatolian samples w...I not claimed that the ancient Anatolian samples were Hittites. <br />the authors of the paper did.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00336648635525568530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8383215427943729402018-05-24T05:31:05.016-07:002018-05-24T05:31:05.016-07:00@Algan mardi
PIE homeland is Fertile Crescent
Th...@Algan mardi<br /><br /><i>PIE homeland is Fertile Crescent</i><br /><br />That's not the consensus, for many good reasons.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71349574231126939142018-05-24T05:27:57.029-07:002018-05-24T05:27:57.029-07:00PIE homeland is Fertile CrescentPIE homeland is Fertile CrescentAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00336648635525568530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3270791936801661622018-05-24T05:24:03.514-07:002018-05-24T05:24:03.514-07:00@Algan mardi
You rambled a bunch of nonsense abou...@Algan mardi<br /><br />You rambled a bunch of nonsense about no steppe ancestry in ancient Greece and the Balkans.<br /><br />And you claimed that the ancient Anatolian samples were Hittites, when they're just Hittite-era, and probably Hattians or Hurrians. If you really believe that they are Hittites, that's fine, but keep in mind that there's no evidence of this in the paper.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34444252415080349022018-05-24T05:16:21.959-07:002018-05-24T05:16:21.959-07:00I can make a mistake but it does not make me a tro...I can make a mistake but it does not make me a troll, the basic is said. Is your censorship science or dogma?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00336648635525568530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31188503651779220802018-05-24T05:08:24.610-07:002018-05-24T05:08:24.610-07:00@All
Troll post by Algan mardi removed.
He/she ...@All<br /><br />Troll post by Algan mardi removed. <br /><br />He/she was claiming that there was no steppe ancestry in Bronze Age Greece or the Balkans, when in fact there is.<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/08/steppe-admixture-in-mycenaeans.html<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/05/steppe-invaders-in-bronze-age-balkans.html<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41499124152003223062018-05-23T23:52:42.498-07:002018-05-23T23:52:42.498-07:00@ Davidski
Thanks @ Davidski <br /><br />Thanks Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76650420710390152212018-05-23T22:50:25.493-07:002018-05-23T22:50:25.493-07:00@Anthony Haken
Regardless of R1b-M343 the N-M231 ...@Anthony Haken<br /><br /><i>Regardless of R1b-M343 the N-M231 branch found in BOT15 is Y6503 or N2* which is highly divergent from all other N. It likely has nothing to do with Uralic expansion at all.</i><br /><br />It obviously wasn't an important lineage in the Proto-Uralic expansion, but it may have been present in the Proto-Uralic population.<br /><br />@Ric Hern<br /><br /><i>So Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7697861307054141182018-05-23T22:46:08.644-07:002018-05-23T22:46:08.644-07:00What Haplogroups or proposed Macro-Haplogroup can ...What Haplogroups or proposed Macro-Haplogroup can be most closely linked to ANE currently ? Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78769401210695707872018-05-23T22:19:27.088-07:002018-05-23T22:19:27.088-07:00Does this point to a Pre-Mesolithic/Pre-Epi-Paleol...Does this point to a Pre-Mesolithic/Pre-Epi-Paleolithic Migration of Haplogroup R from East of the Urals taking a Northern Route into Europe with occasional Southward Pushes after +-18 000 YBP ? So Haplogroup R didn't migrate through Southern Central Asia to Europe ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47093211758530406832018-05-23T19:59:03.405-07:002018-05-23T19:59:03.405-07:00Regardless of R1b-M343 the N-M231 branch found in ...Regardless of R1b-M343 the N-M231 branch found in BOT15 is Y6503 or N2* which is highly divergent from all other N. It likely has nothing to do with Uralic expansion at all.<br /><br />Y6503+ is now found only in the Balkans. It was found in the Pre-Scythian Ir1 from Hungary.Anthony Hankenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08558813696890276719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59848310825156753142018-05-23T18:53:53.869-07:002018-05-23T18:53:53.869-07:00@Synome
Yes, he posted about that at this blog on...@Synome<br /><br />Yes, he posted about that at this blog once or twice.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com