tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2857424036281494757..comments2024-03-19T02:38:12.460-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: On the association between Uralic expansions and Y-haplogroup NDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger243125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37488961059554039042023-07-13T00:00:55.056-07:002023-07-13T00:00:55.056-07:00I also have Scythian, Avar, and Pannonian/Illyrian...<i>I also have Scythian, Avar, and Pannonian/Illyrian.</i><br /><br />This is extremely unlikely.<br /><br />Whoever did the analysis made this up.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31045126093108154972023-07-12T23:52:12.001-07:002023-07-12T23:52:12.001-07:00This is an interesting topic.
I had my dna analyz...This is an interesting topic.<br /><br />I had my dna analyzed and I share dna with Bela III and King Ladislaus, as well as the Hunyadi Dynasty. Aside from "Hungarian Conqueror" dna, I also have Scythian, Avar, and Pannonian/Illyrian. I assume that these are the ancestors of all Hungarians. luminahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08766502601478148227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5454289715684060192019-09-11T15:39:31.647-07:002019-09-11T15:39:31.647-07:00No N1a in the victims of the 1238 sacking of Yaros...No N1a in the victims of the 1238 sacking of Yaroslavl, in Northern Russia, by the Mongols.<br /><br />The bones were turned over to DNA researchers. No NGS capacities in the lab, but they got some mtDNA, Y-DNA, and autosomal markers. A Russian clip has some more details, describing the victims as mostly R1a, a little R1b, singletons of I1 and E, nit no N1a whatsoever! (Today, the "MOCKBAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150628026789690963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67723422386972866752019-09-11T15:37:33.717-07:002019-09-11T15:37:33.717-07:00An interesting observation about Haplogroup N in t...An interesting observation about Haplogroup N in the Russians.<br /><br />A large number of skeletons from the 1238 sacking of Yaroslavl by the Mongols, in Northern Russia, were turned over to DNA researchers. No NGS capacities in the lab, but they got some mtDNA, Y-DNA, and autosomal markers. A Russian clip has some more details, describing the victims as mostly R1a, a little R1b, singletons of MOCKBAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150628026789690963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67763365431081558082019-04-17T18:44:26.139-07:002019-04-17T18:44:26.139-07:00@Kristiina
So, I might not have been too specific...@Kristiina<br /><br />So, I might not have been too specific with this, but Tarand grave culture reached Latvia only ~1000 years later, than it entered Estonia and some of the Livonians and southern Estonians landed there only in late 1000AD, not to mention Votes who were settled in Courland in 15th century. That was my answer to question about Latvian and Lithuanian situation, why there is so gLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205206035131781431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37997354961314465872019-04-17T18:42:31.689-07:002019-04-17T18:42:31.689-07:00@Kristiina
A typical example of ethnocentrism in ...@Kristiina<br /><br /><i>A typical example of ethnocentrism in which you depreciate your neighbour and minimize their genetic, linguistic and cultural contribution and value and overrate your own.</i><br />I have researched history of my roots and they include roots from virtually all neighbors. I see that as advantage, when I can base my personal traits on so many choices of eccentrics, which gLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205206035131781431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6923331907376951672019-04-17T11:46:18.252-07:002019-04-17T11:46:18.252-07:00Late to the game but because it's come up in m...Late to the game but because it's come up in my recent totally unrelated communications:<br /><br />Those of you speaking of Iranic or-lack-thereof speakers in modern Hungary should look up the Jasz people (I'm not ashamed to link to wiki):<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people<br />MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10005896355069463482019-04-14T05:29:01.519-07:002019-04-14T05:29:01.519-07:00@M. Myllylä
The first paper talks about Akozino-...@M. Myllylä <br /><br />The first paper talks about Akozino-Malar axes in the first couple paragraphs as using the same water ways Vikings did except in the opposite direction. Maybe you should have read it instead of dismissing it immediately.<br /><br />The second paper sees the axes as a result of cultural exchange between the Volga and Sweden resulting in the local varients. NOT just local Anthony Hankenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08558813696890276719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77736960775920655822019-04-14T02:15:24.270-07:002019-04-14T02:15:24.270-07:00@Anthony Hanken,
I didn't read the first pape...@Anthony Hanken,<br /><br />I didn't read the first paper, because it was about Viking Age, but the second one really handled those axes. As a conclusion it states:<br /><br />"None of the axes from Russia seem to correspond to the <br />ornamental schema of the Norwegian variant". <br /><br />Then it describes differences between axe shapes in different regions and sees all typesMaurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03670078523265515878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87646040408558753522019-04-14T01:14:11.231-07:002019-04-14T01:14:11.231-07:00@Sleepingtoss
I2a-L621 and R1a-CTS1211 are Slavic...@Sleepingtoss<br /><br />I2a-L621 and R1a-CTS1211 are Slavic-specific markers in the context of the discussion about their origins in the Avar and Hungarian elites.<br /><br />That is, when I say that they're obviously Slavic-specific markers here, I don't mean that they emerged in Slavic-speaking groups, but that they're much better associated with Slavic-speaking groups than with Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76206363936774282422019-04-14T00:43:31.722-07:002019-04-14T00:43:31.722-07:00Let's think together about definition: what Y-...Let's think together about definition: what Y-happlogroup can be called Slavic (or Indo-European, or Russian e.t.c)?<br />I am quite sure it is wrong to call I2a-L621 Slavic, because L621 is too old. Yes, most of L621 living today are of Slavic descent, speak Slavic languages, but we would never call I2a-L621 Indo-European, although today most of I2a-L621 speak one of Indo-European languages Sleepingtosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05967463489374621328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19329117701777136182019-04-13T11:09:15.932-07:002019-04-13T11:09:15.932-07:00@Romulus
"Right now I think that CWC or at ...@Romulus <br /><br />"<i>Right now I think that CWC or at least Sredny Stog is the ancestor of everything from Tocharian (where R1a was found) to the rest from Iranian to Celtic. <b>But perhaps not Greek</b> and Hittite.</i>"<br /><br />Greek seems to be the only known IE language where we can prove its introduction also saw the introduction of steppe admixture: Crete. Whether Linear A epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57173556683979874692019-04-13T04:58:20.291-07:002019-04-13T04:58:20.291-07:00@M. Myllylä
https://www.academia.edu/6751637/From...@M. Myllylä<br /><br />https://www.academia.edu/6751637/From_Sweden_to_Russia_Staraya_Ladoga_and_the_role_of_Vikings_in_establishment_of_the_Russian_State<br /><br />https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bronsereplika.no/Bronsereplika%2520WEB/2010b%2520The%2520Bronze%2520Age%2520of%2520NW%2520Scandinavia%2520WEB.pdf&ved=Anthony Hankenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08558813696890276719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85749014051564323432019-04-13T04:25:22.876-07:002019-04-13T04:25:22.876-07:00(cont.)
https://e-edu.nbu.bg/pluginfile.php/58699...(cont.)<br /><br />https://e-edu.nbu.bg/pluginfile.php/586999/mod_resource/content/1/Anthony%20et%20al%20ed_2010_The%20Lost%20World%20of%20Old%20Europe%20Catalogue.pdf - <b>The Lost World of Old Europe The Danube Valley, 5000–3500 bc</b> - David Anthony <i>The roles of the genders in Old European society are not accurately reflected in figurines. At the settlement of Golyamo Delchevo in eastern Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39616767717796875572019-04-13T04:24:40.401-07:002019-04-13T04:24:40.401-07:00@Sam, well, there are probably sensible feminists ...@Sam, well, there are probably sensible feminists with a sensible framework who make good contributions still to archaeology, but I would say this is another nail in coffin of the fantasies of "primitive matriarchy" or "primitive egalitarianism" (if they are not already discredited) which are indeed influenced by radical feminism (although as I understand it have origins in Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11095504548305828422019-04-13T02:00:41.536-07:002019-04-13T02:00:41.536-07:00@Mouthful,
many thanks for an interesting map.
@...@Mouthful,<br /><br />many thanks for an interesting map.<br /><br />@Anthony Hanken<br /><br />"Something to consider about the Tarand graves is that R1a along with N1c are found in them. R1a is of course uncommon in Finland compared to N1c and the little R1a in Finland may be of later Russian origin. Tarand peoples may be Balto-Finnic but not the direct ancestors of Finns."<br /><br /Maurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03670078523265515878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57387149676588197942019-04-12T22:25:55.195-07:002019-04-12T22:25:55.195-07:00@Dragos
I don't know what they are. You need ...@Dragos<br /><br />I don't know what they are. You need to find out which papers they came from by looking at their individual IDs and the <i>anno</i> files here.<br /><br />https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/downloadable-genotypes-worlds-published-ancient-dna-data<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71992831047205001082019-04-12T22:15:19.011-07:002019-04-12T22:15:19.011-07:00Can't wait till people look at the new 24 Mega...Can't wait till people look at the new 24 Megalithic genomes. Y DNA, genome-wide, mtDNA. <br /><br />https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB31045<br /><br />IMO, Globular Amphora looks like very good canidate for the farmer ancestor of Corded Ware, Bell BEaker, Unetice. Also, Globular is mostly descended from Lengyel/Danube Neolithic. This explains the absence of mtDNA N1a1a in Bronze age &Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54820059866346932019-04-12T21:45:20.229-07:002019-04-12T21:45:20.229-07:00Davidski
Are the “Germany medieval” in G25 the Al...Davidski <br />Are the “Germany medieval” in G25 the Alemans ?Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35106988467084931772019-04-12T18:29:45.566-07:002019-04-12T18:29:45.566-07:00Could you expand on your proposition that "th...Could you expand on your proposition that "the very same process happened in medieval England" - are you alluding to a change in liturgical and subsequent common language?NeilBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16814047959223706379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85517678393722157982019-04-12T17:52:51.977-07:002019-04-12T17:52:51.977-07:00@Sam
"Kurgan cultures "conquered" ...@Sam<br /><br />"Kurgan cultures "conquered" the farmers, replaced their Y DNA. But, farmers were not humiliated cuckers & Kurgans were not uber macho as some sensationalists imagine. "<br /><br />I'm inclined to agree.Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62916520733381881872019-04-12T17:49:54.421-07:002019-04-12T17:49:54.421-07:00@Sam
"Z2103"
Thanks.@Sam<br /><br />"Z2103"<br /><br />Thanks.Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80526818395070195932019-04-12T17:32:14.522-07:002019-04-12T17:32:14.522-07:00@Arza, thanks for sharing.
"These observatio...@Arza, thanks for sharing. <br />"These observations suggest that the investigated funerary monuments were associated with patrilineal kindred groups. Our genomic investigation provides insight into the people associated with this long-standing megalith funerary tradition, including their social dynamics."<br /><br />All British Neolithic males belong to the same two Y DNA haplogroups. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36391573638263408142019-04-12T17:25:18.859-07:002019-04-12T17:25:18.859-07:00Afanasievo had R1b Z2103. Same as Yamnaya. However...Afanasievo had R1b Z2103. Same as Yamnaya. However, we don't know what subclade of Z2103. I've read, most Yamnaya males belong to a specific subclade of Z2103. Like, how many Beakers belonged to subclades of subclades of P312 not P312*.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35567273702730464002019-04-12T17:20:15.532-07:002019-04-12T17:20:15.532-07:00@David
Were those Afanasevo R1bs ever tested for ...@David<br /><br />Were those Afanasevo R1bs ever tested for downstream subclades? I don't recall hearing anything specific about that.Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.com