tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post2948904643576425540..comments2024-03-28T05:11:32.082-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Ancient IBD/cM matrix analysis offerDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65171660908109051352018-03-25T17:06:12.286-07:002018-03-25T17:06:12.286-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hyper500https://www.blogger.com/profile/05544006377093084870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62368244047638408452017-11-08T20:29:54.416-08:002017-11-08T20:29:54.416-08:00I don't plan on deleting the raw output for a ...I don't plan on deleting the raw output for a while, in case someone wants to check something.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90203613152421325192017-11-08T19:30:16.533-08:002017-11-08T19:30:16.533-08:00Ok, I appreciate if you do not delete it (I'm ...Ok, I appreciate if you do not delete it (I'm guessing time is more valuable to you than space).MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11856865643816919762017-11-08T13:21:31.724-08:002017-11-08T13:21:31.724-08:00I have the segment information, but it's too b...I have the segment information, but it's too bulky to edit and send over to each participant. I'd need some sort of script to extract the info for each individual. Don't have anything like that yet.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82094019899642349802017-11-08T09:08:28.608-08:002017-11-08T09:08:28.608-08:00@David:
Interesting, thanks for checking. My husb...@David:<br />Interesting, thanks for checking. My husband's family name means "from Karabagh" as they are known to have migrated from Karabagh upon the Russo-Persian war a couple centuries ago, and the name is shared by both Azeris and Armenians of Iran. Certainly, some of his ancestors' relations would have stayed in the Russian empire.<br /><br />By the way, do you have the MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84597618968239756902017-11-07T19:48:44.018-08:002017-11-07T19:48:44.018-08:00@MomOfZoha
I had a closer look at that shared cM ...@MomOfZoha<br /><br />I had a closer look at that shared cM between your father in law and the sample from Kent. It's actually a single hit, so probably a cold spot. But at first glance, your father in law does show a lot of shared segments with Northern Europeans.<br /><br />@Hyper500<br /><br />If you have Jewish ancestry you'll share some cM with all or almost all of the Ashkenazi and Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11176860173012433982017-11-07T19:24:02.697-08:002017-11-07T19:24:02.697-08:00would anyone consider 3cm hits as potential eviden...would anyone consider 3cm hits as potential evidence of jewish ancestry?? as i know its a bit lowHyper500https://www.blogger.com/profile/05544006377093084870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21184276578183499062017-11-07T14:50:40.702-08:002017-11-07T14:50:40.702-08:00Hmm.. Well, I don't see anyone Western Asian ...Hmm.. Well, I don't see anyone Western Asian in that Kentian's top 120 "closest relations" list -- not even any Caucasus folks, though my father-in-law is clearly most related to Caucasus people. The only kind of interesting thing that is clear from that Kentian's list (aside from the ancients) is the Kentian's obvious Finno-Ugric ancestry (Karelians, Saami, Erzya MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56760252538086439722017-11-07T12:53:23.267-08:002017-11-07T12:53:23.267-08:00OK, I see. This individual from Kent might have so...OK, I see. This individual from Kent might have some minor but recent ancestry from western Asia. Lots of people settled in London an surrounds from a lot of different places during the past 200 years or so.<br /><br />Then again, this might just be the result of an unusual accumulation of ancient segments from the Bronze Age steppe and even Neolithic western Asia.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89314521839156813992017-11-07T06:26:19.788-08:002017-11-07T06:26:19.788-08:00@David:
That's the point -- my father-in-law s...@David:<br />That's the point -- my father-in-law shares 17.27 cM with that Kent individual (the most he shares with anyone in your list). That's why I checked him out.MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52355238530746280512017-11-07T04:26:04.247-08:002017-11-07T04:26:04.247-08:00Not sure if that's meaningful unless your fath...Not sure if that's meaningful unless your father-in-law himself shares at least a few cM with this English Kent individual.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9044296435199599242017-11-06T16:57:05.399-08:002017-11-06T16:57:05.399-08:00Fair enough.
Also, I checked out the English_Kent...Fair enough.<br /><br />Also, I checked out the English_Kent_HG00154 individual who appears curiously similar to my Iranian Azeri father-in-law.<br /><br />There is something interesting going on with Kent folk as they seem to be *very* similar to some ancients. The particular Kentian to whom my father in law appears similar has the following ancient relations:<br /><br />AAB_Andronovo_RISE505 MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45534135355161908722017-11-06T14:44:20.804-08:002017-11-06T14:44:20.804-08:00Might be. I just keep the labels that they come wi...Might be. I just keep the labels that they come with.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9640169811677883932017-11-06T14:42:05.151-08:002017-11-06T14:42:05.151-08:00David:
I more closely viewed the Mongolian to who...David:<br /><br />I more closely viewed the Mongolian to whom my father appears related (more than his relation to other moderns in your list). Looking at the Full matrix you have uploaded, that Mongolian is very different from the others and appears surely Tuvan. Here are the top 20 individuals to whom Mongolian_GS000035236 is related most closely in your Full list:<br /><br />MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22703746648983524522017-11-06T11:43:29.551-08:002017-11-06T11:43:29.551-08:00And, here is what happens when two admixed Central...And, here is what happens when two admixed Central Anatolian Turks and an Iranian Azeri are placed in a neighbor-join tree based on ancients and moderns altogether:<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xDSEu4KpL01tLpidcZ4AIBD1iOyO9P6j<br /><br />They all appear to be within the Iranian cluster, with my father on the border between the Iranians and an ancient British Roman outlier...MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26960059941668524822017-11-06T11:22:29.409-08:002017-11-06T11:22:29.409-08:00And, now, my father in law, who is Iranian Azeri f...And, now, my father in law, who is Iranian Azeri from a village north of Tabriz:<br /><br />Ancients:<br /><br />AAB_Hungary_IA_IR1 5.834071<br />AAC_Karasuk_outlier_RISE495 4.251577<br />AAB_Roman_Britain_6DRIF-18 3.258722<br />AAB_Kotias_KK1 3.03509<br />AAC_Altai_IA_RISE601 2.77634<br />AAB_Ireland_EBA_Rathlin2_RSK1 2.73472<br />AAB_Nordic_LN_RISE98 2.73472<br />AAB_Portugal_MBA_MonteGato104 MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85613635281855572592017-11-06T10:30:35.246-08:002017-11-06T10:30:35.246-08:00Now, my father, who is also from Konya province, n...Now, my father, who is also from Konya province, near a village on the Karaman border:<br /><br />Ancients:<br /><br />AAB_Ireland_EBA_Rathlin1_RM127 4.7023287 <br />AAB_Yamnaya_Kalmykia_RISE552 4.202706 <br />AAB_Roman_Britain_6DRIF-22 3.975372 <br />AAB_Nordic_IA_RISE174 3.78104 <br />AAB_Karasuk_RISE499 3.744172 <br />AAB_Slav_Bohemia_RISE569 3.503353 <br />AAB_Hungary_BA_I1504 3.490808MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82908900248894998992017-11-06T10:27:37.203-08:002017-11-06T10:27:37.203-08:00Thank you, David. Now to share:
First, my mother...Thank you, David. Now to share:<br /><br />First, my mother, who is Turkish from Konya province:<br /><br />Ancients:<br />AAB_Andronovo_RISE500 6.42408<br />AAB_Yamnaya_Kalmykia_RISE552 5.278317<br />AAB_Unetice_RISE150 5.12841<br />AAC_Karasuk_outlier_RISE493 4.331857<br />AAB_Afanasievo_RISE511 3.380824<br />AAB_Nordic_IA_RISE174 3.324351<br />AAB_Slav_Bohemia_RISE569 3.121997<br />MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47834692644320458082017-11-06T07:32:46.622-08:002017-11-06T07:32:46.622-08:00Jewish Sefarad from Turkey (Me)
moderns
Spanish_S...Jewish Sefarad from Turkey (Me)<br /><br />moderns<br />Spanish_Spanish24H 9.991606<br />Sephardic_Jew_sephardic8tur 9.918591<br />Spanish_Spanish18H 9.868333<br />Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon_HG01501 9.8666046<br />Sephardic_Jew_sephardic4tur 9.864239<br />English_Kent_HG00139 9.774871<br />Turkmen_Turkm1820Y 9.58592<br />Moroccan_Jew_Morocco_Jew_10 9.50789<br />Ashkenazi_Jew_ashkenazy1w 9.39209<br /Alperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15547397801676598769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86561867217392709052017-11-06T07:29:27.120-08:002017-11-06T07:29:27.120-08:00Circassian Adyghe
moderns
Balkar_bal26 9.017191...Circassian Adyghe<br /><br />moderns<br />Balkar_bal26 9.017191<br />Abkhasian_abh107 8.914848<br />Balkar_GS000016171 8.789937<br />North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia11 8.7586<br />Makrani_HGDP00134 8.75695<br />Kabardin_GS000014412 8.6799006<br />Georgian_mg31 8.631912<br />North_Ossetian_NorthOssetia1 8.497878<br />Nogai_nogay6 8.433705<br />Georgian_mg64 8.346976<br />Alperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15547397801676598769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91889032638202837432017-11-05T22:22:29.837-08:002017-11-05T22:22:29.837-08:00Now Moderns above 7
Orcadian_HG00110 14.475241
O...Now Moderns above 7<br /><br /><br />Orcadian_HG00110 14.475241<br />Orcadian_HG00109 13.08115<br />Utah_Scandinavian_NA12248 12.972287<br />Chechen_ch55 12.888375<br />Vepsa_GS000017632 12.786198<br />Orcadian_HG00107 11.624195<br />Dominican_GSM531142 11.5226677<br />Hungarian_hungary7 11.409546<br />Lithuanian_GS000035040 11.152151<br />English_Cornwall_HG00251 11.113924<br />French_HGDP00514 Helgenes50https://www.blogger.com/profile/10048641344885582425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53792613079079809982017-11-05T22:14:53.720-08:002017-11-05T22:14:53.720-08:00Thanks David,
My mother,
All her known ancestry i...Thanks David,<br /><br />My mother,<br />All her known ancestry is Norman<br /><br />Ancients<br /><br />AAB_Nordic_LN_RISE98 11.551827<br />AAB_Ireland_EBA_Rathlin2_RSK1 11.36062<br />AAC_Karasuk_outlier_RISE502 10.6204245<br />AAB_Roman_Britain_6DRIF-22 9.507771<br />AAB_Unetice_RISE150 9.316421<br />AAB_Roman_Britain_6DRIF-18 7.837079<br />AAB_Yamnaya_Kalmykia_RISE548 6.850959<br />Helgenes50https://www.blogger.com/profile/10048641344885582425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5418143203322319032017-11-05T21:25:06.368-08:002017-11-05T21:25:06.368-08:00By the way, the full matrix with the reference sam...By the way, the full matrix with the reference samples is located here. It shouldn't be much different from the matrix of the same type from the previous run.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQNG5SSE1Vb3pDdW8/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86623686974337584542017-11-05T20:50:16.049-08:002017-11-05T20:50:16.049-08:00The output files from the latest run have been sen...The output files from the latest run have been sent out to the participants. Please let me know if you didn't get your files yet (though check your junk mail folder first).<br /><br />Also please let me know if there's something wrong with your files, like columns or rows missing or the wrong name in your files.<br /><br />This was the last IBD/haplotype run for a while. I might do more Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67826519766244868002017-11-02T00:33:32.323-07:002017-11-02T00:33:32.323-07:00The final run is underway.
Please note that the r...The final run is underway.<br /><br />Please note that the results should be ready on Sunday or Monday.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com