tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post3031192095336112431..comments2024-03-19T02:38:12.460-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Isotopes vs ancient DNA in prehistoric ScandinaviaDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger245125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80276308879703555702019-09-02T06:16:03.692-07:002019-09-02T06:16:03.692-07:00@Angantyr
Nice! A pro Battle-Axe warrior probably...@Angantyr<br /><br />Nice! A pro Battle-Axe warrior probably!<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62041149991674673602019-09-02T06:10:11.187-07:002019-09-02T06:10:11.187-07:00@Davidski
Unfortunately I don't have much inf...@Davidski<br /><br />Unfortunately I don't have much info about RISE94. The Allentoft 2015 supplementary material states "grave 26:1" which probably is an identity assigned by archaeologist Mats P. Malmer in one of his publications. I wish the'd use the identities assigned by the Swedish National Heritage Board instead.<br /><br />A picture of his skull is probably shown in thisAngantyrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10737729155560807904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10062039266827332802019-09-02T04:21:43.664-07:002019-09-02T04:21:43.664-07:00It has always been like this. At the beginning tha...It has always been like this. At the beginning that was only one tribe bearing that name.<br /> “The original term Sclaveni would seem to be a real tribal name (with a typical -eni plural ending).” - P.M. Barford, The Early Slavs, Culture and Society in Early Medievial Europe, The British Museum Press, London, 2000, c.29.<br />The name starts to adjust for parts of Poland from XII century, for natsunoamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946553288506970769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63389788598519491742019-09-02T04:21:23.824-07:002019-09-02T04:21:23.824-07:00Yeah perhaps Nordic & East Germanic were diffe...Yeah perhaps Nordic & East Germanic were different to Suebic groups Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778401432553341122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12905849101981801672019-09-02T04:17:54.371-07:002019-09-02T04:17:54.371-07:00@Drago: I think we will detect no huge but still s...@Drago: I think we will detect no huge but still significant structure between regional and tribal groups in Germanics. <br />Even modern Germanic regions show structure, especially in the y-chromosome.<br /><br />Since some of this structure can be attributed to different waves from Central Europe, timing and relations are important.<br />Now R1a especially in Norway could be interpreted as an zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73678171083876791332019-09-02T03:30:32.505-07:002019-09-02T03:30:32.505-07:00There's definitely some R1a there too. One of ...There's definitely some R1a there too. One of the Iron Age samples from southeast Norway belongs to it, and then plenty of Vikings do as well.<br /><br />So what language did the R1a Norwegian speak?<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13026392995788025392019-09-02T03:15:22.773-07:002019-09-02T03:15:22.773-07:00@ Zardos
To wrap up about Germanic; I will simpl...@ Zardos <br />To wrap up about Germanic; I will simply state that there’s something very wrong with the Copenhagen model; just like their entire steppe model <br />ADNA from Historic Germanic groups shows them to be I2a2, U106 & I1. <br />Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778401432553341122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72835559828035337022019-09-02T02:55:42.065-07:002019-09-02T02:55:42.065-07:00@rozenfag "Speaking about Tollense: ..."...@rozenfag "Speaking about Tollense: ..."<br /><br />Not only that. For more than twenty years, no one had even made anthropological measurements of the Tollensee people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68763245674092873032019-09-02T02:50:36.970-07:002019-09-02T02:50:36.970-07:00@Carlos Aramayo @Davidski
I'm afraid the exp...@Carlos Aramayo @Davidski <br /><br />I'm afraid the expectations on Rakhigarhi's paper are overrated. I'm afraid there will happen few samples.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19747095245682715802019-09-01T22:26:49.900-07:002019-09-01T22:26:49.900-07:00Yep, I've heard. Let's hope the paper isn&...Yep, I've heard. Let's hope the paper isn't based on one low coverage sample.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71684947046174582882019-09-01T21:58:38.781-07:002019-09-01T21:58:38.781-07:00@ Davidski
Apologies for changing the issue, but ...@ Davidski<br /><br />Apologies for changing the issue, but I´ve got news. It seems that this week results from Rakhigarhi's ancient DNA will be published, and it also seems they have samples from another site near Rakhigarhi which is called Farmana for a forthcoming publication. They are launching a new project called 'Reconstructing the population history and domestication patterns in Carlos Aramayohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15078753727610139222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53769176013659408682019-09-01T20:22:39.398-07:002019-09-01T20:22:39.398-07:00@Angantyr
Do you have any details about the buria...@Angantyr<br /><br />Do you have any details about the burial site/grave of RISE94, the Battle-Axe sample from Viby, Sweden?<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11138257476038385382019-09-01T17:37:09.927-07:002019-09-01T17:37:09.927-07:00Thanks Frank
Where you place this Tollensee battle...Thanks Frank<br />Where you place this Tollensee battle; in terms of culture / history Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778401432553341122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51862184448131961412019-09-01T16:51:47.187-07:002019-09-01T16:51:47.187-07:00Some notes on Unetice:
1. A major feature of Unti...<b>Some notes on Unetice</b>:<br /><br />1. A major feature of Untice is the re-establishment of the Elbe-Danube communication axis via Bohemia and Moravia that had shaped the Central European EN. The Baden expansion, replacing Lengyel and related Pannonian cultures northwards, had interrupted this axis and resulted in the Baden - epi-Lengyel (TRB/GAC) antagonism. This antagonism culminated in FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60022340602873277582019-09-01T16:45:48.049-07:002019-09-01T16:45:48.049-07:00Speaking about Tollense: surprisingly, there are n...Speaking about Tollense: surprisingly, there are no good English-language documentaries about Tollense(There are some in German, but I don't speak German). That's weird, since the topic is fascinating. I wonder whether they want to release the documentary simultaneously with the aDNA paper.rozenblatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06133713105187428743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16649064944717126962019-09-01T16:03:36.480-07:002019-09-01T16:03:36.480-07:00Maybe, most dead soldiers cluster with Hungary BA ...Maybe, most dead soldiers cluster with Hungary BA people because they lost the battle. <br /><br />I don't think they were native to Germany. Their ancient roots are in southeast Europe, specifically Hungary. They had Danube farmer & central European hunter gatherer ancestry. They had no Bell Beaker, Corded Ware, or Unetice ancestry. Not native to Germany.<br /><br />Halberstatdt_BA, the Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33044556684205180902019-09-01T15:25:22.374-07:002019-09-01T15:25:22.374-07:00@ Leron
You mean the -nth- & -ss- ? Perhaps
B...@ Leron<br />You mean the -nth- & -ss- ? Perhaps <br />But the similarities between mainland & Crete are broad; not specific. Hence it is wrong to consider mainland Greece as Minoan Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778401432553341122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40175455924791689312019-09-01T15:17:19.064-07:002019-09-01T15:17:19.064-07:00@Drago: Greek was richly infused by a pre-IE langu...@Drago: Greek was richly infused by a pre-IE language within the mainland. There’s a set of toponyms shared in Crete, Asia Minor and mainland Greece that points to a common cultural origin, despite the Minoans in Crete developing a more advanced civilization than the others around them. I believe it has a slow infiltration, including absorption of the older population to a great degree, which Leronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02439493552739670541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36626012583970399892019-09-01T15:10:47.908-07:002019-09-01T15:10:47.908-07:00@ Matt
“So, if you assume some degree of continu...@ Matt <br /><br />“So, if you assume some degree of continuity, I think there's a good question of how you get from these populations to those like present day North East, South East and East-Central Europe. ”<br /><br />The indications are there isn’t population continuity; & that Modern Slavs are an expansion from a truncated core of that former expansive cline. Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778401432553341122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74032987498255386442019-09-01T15:03:05.544-07:002019-09-01T15:03:05.544-07:00@ Leron
“Greeks didn't suddenly emerge from ...@ Leron <br /><br />“Greeks didn't suddenly emerge from the onset of Linear B usage; they must have been present in the mainland for a much longer period of time until they slowly infiltrated most cities and dominated the relatively peaceful Minoans.”<br /><br />I was under the impression that Minoans are from Crete <br />Apart from a few trade outposts; I don’t think “Minoans” lived in the Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778401432553341122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3166226496489169282019-09-01T15:01:27.930-07:002019-09-01T15:01:27.930-07:00Welzin BA main cluster are interesting in G25. Som...Welzin BA main cluster are interesting in G25. Something like present day South Slavs/Hungarians in the drift dimensions that distinguish Baltic_BA, but they have less Yamnaya related ancestry and more EEF+WHG than present day South Slavs/Hungarians (as noted above).<br /><br />Much the Hungary BA really.<br /><br />Images: https://imgur.com/a/kIm34l8<br /><br />So, if you assume some degree of Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54590244653720192832019-09-01T14:47:34.786-07:002019-09-01T14:47:34.786-07:00@Archi & Drago
Cut it out. Act like adults.@Archi & Drago<br /><br />Cut it out. Act like adults.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34765488913673506512019-09-01T13:19:21.785-07:002019-09-01T13:19:21.785-07:00Yamnaya EEF WHG ANE
WEZ15 23.7 35.8 28.6 11.7
WEZ5... Yamnaya EEF WHG ANE<br />WEZ15 23.7 35.8 28.6 11.7<br />WEZ59 23.3 35.9 30.5 10.2<br /><br />They're farmer ancestry is from Danube/Lengyel/Hungary farmers. So, I'd say this population originated in modern Hungary. They have 40% Central Euro HG ancestry! More HG than farmer. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9917468202046395062019-09-01T13:19:18.360-07:002019-09-01T13:19:18.360-07:00@Samuel Andrews
You can't insult people in th...@Samuel Andrews<br /><br />You can't insult people in the comments here, even if you have a point to some degree. Surely there's a better way to communicate your point.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30537004604532197222019-09-01T12:48:36.023-07:002019-09-01T12:48:36.023-07:006.6161"
Welzin_BA_Germany:WEZ58
Va...6.6161"<br /><br /> Welzin_BA_Germany:WEZ58<br /><br />Varna,40.4<br />Romania_HG,35.4<br />Yamnaya_Samara,24<br />Tisza_LN,0.2<br /><br />3.2343"<br /><br /> Hungary_BA:I1504<br /><br />Tisza_LN,39.8<br />Yamnaya_Samara,24.5<br />Romania_HG,16.2<br />Varna,14.1<br />Lepenski_Vir:I5407,5.4<br /><br />I forget if I1504 dates to 1000 BC or 2000 BC. Whatever the case we'Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.com