tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post3279291860295398395..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Blast from the past: Matters of basic geographyDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58430872972755692122019-02-18T21:35:23.754-08:002019-02-18T21:35:23.754-08:00@All
Just a reminder that this thread is closed.
...@All<br /><br />Just a reminder that this thread is closed.<br /><br />So no more posts here.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31311286893898786682019-02-18T19:40:52.078-08:002019-02-18T19:40:52.078-08:00@WeightofAudio First of all thank you. But I did n...@WeightofAudio First of all thank you. But I did not include Hellenic in the Slavic or Vedic "heritage". They both stem from an expansion of Corded Ware which was how Kurgan populations assimilated WHG-rich Farmer populations. I personally don't use the word "Aryan" lest be accused of being a White Nationalist, and this word is usually reserved to the Andronovo-based Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13802878523801577982019-02-18T17:29:41.867-08:002019-02-18T17:29:41.867-08:00I agree with the couple of comments above me 100%,...I agree with the couple of comments above me 100%, although I think it gets a little hyperbolic when one says that all of Europe is "really Eastern European"- A whole lot of European ancestry indeed came from the southern Russian/Ukranian steppe, but those guys were not 100% akin to modern-day Eastern Europeans. I recognize you all know this well enough, I just feel like that nuance WeightofAudiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09830639569383829284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78091422393167628262019-02-18T09:48:38.516-08:002019-02-18T09:48:38.516-08:00The major contribution of European aDNA is Steppe ...The major contribution of European aDNA is Steppe related IE populations, rather than EEF or WHG. Same goes to cultures and languages. Yamnaya is by far the largest contributor to European DNA, customs, languages, appearance and anything recognizable as European.<br /><br />If you ask me, "Oetzi" has some "Semitic"-like (Iran_Chl?) features. Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51604397332160040042019-02-18T09:45:58.418-08:002019-02-18T09:45:58.418-08:00@Colin Welling The media would rather also hype th...@Colin Welling The media would rather also hype the roles of the Anatolian EEF and the Villabruna WHG in the creation of the European ethnogenesis (implying that both Farmers and WHG originated somewhere in West Asia or the Near East), as well as attempting to boost the contribution of the CHG in Yamnaya and related Steppe populations in addition to claiming that CHG actually came recently from Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34877027053937210982019-02-18T03:32:09.231-08:002019-02-18T03:32:09.231-08:00But I think many Westerners are wrong.
R1a, r1b, ...<i>But I think many Westerners are wrong.</i><br /><br />R1a, r1b, BB, CW, ultimately from Russia/Ukraine. Doesn't really matter much how you parse it. <br /><br />It sure surprised a lot of people that we Europeans have origins in far eastern europe but that is one of the things that connects us all. I know there is a lot of hate for Russians but ultimately they are our brothers as well and pnuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902973565704018427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63144111194896713132019-02-18T02:47:18.031-08:002019-02-18T02:47:18.031-08:00@Andrzejewski
Its not anti slavic mentality (sla...@Andrzejewski <br /><br />Its not anti slavic mentality (slavic was well after PIE), and neither is it anti Gumbitas (gumbitas was pro replacement). The slant in these articles is simply anti European, with the purpose of deconstructing the idea of a European homeland and even a European people. These types of articles take every opportunity to compare Europeans to non European migrants, pnuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902973565704018427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42153535309555341792019-02-10T13:31:25.760-08:002019-02-10T13:31:25.760-08:00@All
Alright, that's it. I'm closing this...@All<br /><br />Alright, that's it. I'm closing this thread.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62375278152587717512019-02-10T12:38:51.172-08:002019-02-10T12:38:51.172-08:00@Cpk
I never denied that, but okay.
I just wante...@Cpk<br /><br />I never denied that, but okay.<br /><br />I just wanted to point out the Romans had Indo-European heritage too, in part one of their own, in part merged with the one their neighbors like the Greeks got. This blog is very much IE-focused so that’s why I did it.<br /><br />I’ll just end by saying that Europe’s cultural and genetic roots are mostly from Eastern Europe and the Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718136580023709390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88437848888790615072019-02-10T12:20:10.982-08:002019-02-10T12:20:10.982-08:00Greeks, Romans and Etruscans are much more influen...Greeks, Romans and Etruscans are much more influenced by Middle Easterners.Cpkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415788952914698806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29571080200735382862019-02-10T12:11:50.997-08:002019-02-10T12:11:50.997-08:00@Matt
Not sure if your comment is partly directed...@Matt<br /><br />Not sure if your comment is partly directed towards me, but I want to say the Etruscans will probably show steppe cultural influences too... in fact, they likely already do. What I meant was indeed that the Romans show the cultural legacy of their linguistic and religious ancestors, among which are the early Indo-Europeans. But it is true geographic influences also tend to be as Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718136580023709390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71450203514727440252019-02-10T09:45:05.991-08:002019-02-10T09:45:05.991-08:00I was recently at a party talking to a Polish expa...I was recently at a party talking to a Polish expat girl and said something like "I was also born in eastern Europe." She had a conniption, got visibly agitated, and replied "Poland is in *central* Europe!" Lol! I barely held back my laughter... that someone could be so offended by such an innocuous statement.<br /><br />Of course these lines are somewhat arbitrary but not PFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13780789381709373839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79514371507371098492019-02-10T09:37:00.956-08:002019-02-10T09:37:00.956-08:00Strange comment thread. Hmm.... Culture and religi...Strange comment thread. Hmm.... Culture and religion as a whole is pretty clearly multi-directional and constantly changing, mixing and becoming influenced and something new. I don't think we can't really speak of a single cultural or religious urheimat with much sense, or for instance, less kind of shared Indo-European or Semitic speaking essence that binds together the different peoplesMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19610035282518254342019-02-10T09:33:35.124-08:002019-02-10T09:33:35.124-08:00Dymitro
no ukrainophobic really, just I do not wa...Dymitro<br /><br />no ukrainophobic really, just I do not want that Ukraine becomes a weaponized state against Russia. Best place for Ukraine is an alliance with Russia, maybe with a particular status inside the russian federation. Russophobia in Ukraine will lead to disaster for Ukraine, disaster for Europe and at the end for the entire world. old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58273634952383620352019-02-10T09:19:54.371-08:002019-02-10T09:19:54.371-08:00Even the Romans themselves have partially Kurgan r...Even the Romans themselves have partially Kurgan roots. It is as clear as day. Just look at much of their religion, traditions, etc.Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718136580023709390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73223990418695455382019-02-10T08:55:45.118-08:002019-02-10T08:55:45.118-08:00Playing Good Cop, Bad Cop is the fundamental strat...Playing Good Cop, Bad Cop is the fundamental strategy of Indo-European expansion and survival.....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85553215420284805892019-02-10T08:51:54.833-08:002019-02-10T08:51:54.833-08:00Seems like typical brother rivalry.
No blaming ei...Seems like typical brother rivalry.<br /><br />No blaming either side, I don’t want to get involved into all that here, but I want to just point out that it is ironic how all these members try to prevent an <i>Eastern European</i> origin of the Indo-Europeans but lament Eastern Europe’s woes. Maybe it is because Western scientists support it? Like, for example, Gimbutas? Oh wait, she was Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718136580023709390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39669511442889565952019-02-10T08:43:44.658-08:002019-02-10T08:43:44.658-08:00As far as I'm concerned R1a and R1b are Brothe...As far as I'm concerned R1a and R1b are Brothers...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22045985724719006742019-02-10T08:42:16.560-08:002019-02-10T08:42:16.560-08:00So, we have someone who is anti-Kurganist but mind...So, we have someone who is anti-Kurganist but mind-boggingly (like Russian academics) so pro-Russia they want to possibly partition Ukraine into a Russian and Polish part each. Also the derailment of this thread into politics, and ultimately anti-Westernism, is something I’d rather want out of genetics blogs like this...<br /><br />...<i>but</i> it can reveal a great deal about people’s biases:<Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718136580023709390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55797578912435958712019-02-10T08:21:53.788-08:002019-02-10T08:21:53.788-08:00With at least more than 2000 generations in the Ve...With at least more than 2000 generations in the Very North of the North, Africa is a far way away....Not to mention other Archaic Human admixture in Africa than in Eurasia, stretches the differences even further...the Africa of yesteryear is not the Africa of today....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50041469853233511642019-02-10T07:28:56.127-08:002019-02-10T07:28:56.127-08:00@samuel
Yes it was just a "provocation"...<br />@samuel<br /><br />Yes it was just a "provocation" to criticize the methodology rather than the substance. Digging too much into the past could open a dangerous pandora'box and backfire.old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77066676014690822852019-02-10T06:26:41.731-08:002019-02-10T06:26:41.731-08:00
@Sam
You may be right, it could be an ancient li...<br />@Sam<br /><br />You may be right, it could be an ancient linguistic root, if you can finally prove the origin of the Indo-European language in the steppes. The problem is that it seems that defending that option is not politically correct, and many people push for an Asian origin.<br /><br />Regarding to a racial root, everything is much more complicated, quickly there will be people who Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18001297317811213002019-02-10T06:15:14.098-08:002019-02-10T06:15:14.098-08:00@Samuel Andrews "C'mon now. I get annoyed...@Samuel Andrews "C'mon now. I get annoyed by this blog's hyper focus on Indo Europeans"<br /><br />Why? They are the most important group both genetically and culturally in the creation of European civilizationAndrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76532407948416929232019-02-10T05:41:54.903-08:002019-02-10T05:41:54.903-08:00@Diego,
"And in your opinion what are the oth...@Diego,<br />"And in your opinion what are the other roots of Western civilization?"<br /><br />Alls I'm saying is Kurgan culture needs to be considered as a root. If I was forced to guess I would say that the Roman empire is the most important root. But it maybe is most important new things are created every generation which fade the influence of ancient roots. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15215987862128537202019-02-10T05:02:07.720-08:002019-02-10T05:02:07.720-08:00What the Romans started, the Spaniards and the Por...What the Romans started, the Spaniards and the Portuguese, were in charge of finishing it. This year we celebrate the 500th anniversary of the trip that began Magallanes and finished Juan Sebastián Elcano. The world became small and Europe became a great cultural, political, social and economic center worldwide. Of course, Spaniards do not inherit our navigational capacity from the steppe Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.com