tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post3467765608368602594..comments2024-03-28T11:48:42.197-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: The great shiftDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger271125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20837650138747562872021-02-08T16:00:49.135-08:002021-02-08T16:00:49.135-08:00@ Vlad
Thanks. That is very intersting, esp. if co...@ Vlad<br />Thanks. That is very intersting, esp. if confirmed by remains. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76449208255883992722021-02-08T00:37:46.285-08:002021-02-08T00:37:46.285-08:00@@epoch
"The IUP samples also show affinity t...@@epoch<br />"The IUP samples also show affinity to Villabruna, but not to Vestonice16:<br /><br />Chimp.REF BK_CC7-335 Czech_Vestonice16 Russia_Kostenki14.SG -0.0010051089380080428 ......"<br /><br />-0.0017 is strictly zero.<br /><br />That's not true, you can't do it the way you do it. Villabruna is not Vestonice16 or Kostenki14. These specimens do not lie on the same line. <Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50274351295292984542021-02-07T14:12:07.472-08:002021-02-07T14:12:07.472-08:00@epoch
-0.0018 ... -0.0024 these are negligible d...@epoch<br /><br />-0.0018 ... -0.0024 these are negligible distances. They are related to the fact that the Gravettian component in these samples exceeds the Кostenki14. <br />The reason for this Z-value is not in the drift, but in the infinitely small standard deviation (e-4), this is just the noise level, so dividing there gives an error.<br /><br />See https://i.ibb.co/SmRNGXS/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76691674471502717932021-02-07T13:24:30.588-08:002021-02-07T13:24:30.588-08:00@Arza
It's not a very strong signal, but it i...@Arza<br /><br />It's not a very strong signal, but it is undeniably there.<br /><br /># Gravettian Balkans sample<br />Chimp.REF BK_BK-1653 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG Russia_Kostenki14.SG -0.002464565548677695 8.030608875469339e-4 <b>-3.068964740900367</b> 0.0021480194122536662 593208<br /><br /># Very ancient Balkans sample.<br /><br />Chimp.REF epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11461877318881408652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84038058751188694282021-02-07T13:07:58.432-08:002021-02-07T13:07:58.432-08:00@Arza
Thanks a lot.
Chimp.REF BK_BK-1653 ...@Arza<br /><br />Thanks a lot.<br /><br />Chimp.REF BK_BK-1653 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG Russia_Kostenki14.SG -0.002464565548677695 8.030608875469339e-4 <b>-3.068964740900367</b> 0.0021480194122536662 593208<br /><br />Interesting, isn't it.epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11461877318881408652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65211338587663816642021-02-07T08:25:45.139-08:002021-02-07T08:25:45.139-08:00@ epoch
https://pastebin.com/AZRW5kS5@ epoch<br /><br />https://pastebin.com/AZRW5kS5Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4184042825006949942021-02-07T02:55:39.522-08:002021-02-07T02:55:39.522-08:00Here is a publication in the journal Nature 2019
...Here is a publication in the journal Nature 2019<br /><br />https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0843-2Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67953287637371658712021-02-07T02:13:40.626-08:002021-02-07T02:13:40.626-08:00@ Archie
''Altai proto-Aurignacian Ust-Ka...@ Archie<br /><br />''Altai proto-Aurignacian Ust-Karakol has dates >52000 cal BP'<br /><br />I'd like to see an international scholars perspective on that ...Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44457890021802989342021-02-07T01:14:14.768-08:002021-02-07T01:14:14.768-08:00@Rob
"100% matters. And it’s proto-Aurignaci...@Rob<br /><br />"100% matters. And it’s proto-Aurignacian , not Bacho Kirian."<br /><br />proto-Aurignacian is just another generic name for Bacho Kiro monuments. proto-Aurignacian is not something definite. Therefore, it can easily belong to the Bachokirian cluster.<br /><br />"" the appearance of UP technology in the Near East took place not later than 49,000 to 47,000 yearsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8729890457399141702021-02-06T21:08:34.398-08:002021-02-06T21:08:34.398-08:00PM
@ Archi
“ It does not matter. Fumane does not...PM<br /><br />@ Archi<br /><br />“ It does not matter. Fumane does not have an autosomal analysis, it is likely that he belonged to the Bachokirian.”<br /><br />It 100% matters. And it’s proto-Aurignacian , not Bacho Kirian. <br /><br /><br /><br />''This is not true, there is no such data, there are no such dates. ''<br /><br /><br />I thought you said ''I know Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86112802984222278522021-02-06T17:30:59.364-08:002021-02-06T17:30:59.364-08:00@Rob
"Well you forgot Fumane which is mtdna ...@Rob<br /><br />"Well you forgot Fumane which is mtdna R"<br /><br />It does not matter. Fumane does not have an autosomal analysis, it is likely that he belonged to the Bachokirian.<br /><br />"Of course, the pan father is in the near east; where IUP assemblages existed thousands of years earlier than in Siberia & Europe" <br /><br />This is not true, there is no such Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18859432476150301972021-02-06T17:15:56.987-08:002021-02-06T17:15:56.987-08:00Well you forgot Fumane which is mtdna R
The fact i...Well you forgot Fumane which is mtdna R<br />The fact is nobody thinks BK came from Siberia . This is your fantasy, to use your terminology <br />Of course, the pan father is in the near east; where IUP assemblages existed thousands of years earlier than in Siberia & Europe <br />Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80118883381239049112021-02-06T16:58:27.526-08:002021-02-06T16:58:27.526-08:00@Rob
"Bacho Kiro, ust Ishm are just tips of ...@Rob<br /><br />"Bacho Kiro, ust Ishm are just tips of the iceberg of a large pan Eurasian population Neither BK came from Siberia nor vice versa"<br /><br />Your head is not all right. No pan population was existed. All people settled along certain routes, and these were generally the first people in Europe, they came from somewhere quite recently and this from somewhere was from Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90751759258569510422021-02-06T16:04:09.593-08:002021-02-06T16:04:09.593-08:00Bohunice , Bacho Kiro, ust Ishm are just tips of t...Bohunice , Bacho Kiro, ust Ishm are just tips of the iceberg of a large pan Eurasian population <br />Neither BK came from Siberia nor vice versa<br />I don’t understand your obsession with simplistic scenarios. I guess that’s all you can manage to squeeze out Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23804232965395359542021-02-06T14:57:47.033-08:002021-02-06T14:57:47.033-08:00@Rob
"Well it’s clear that you don’t know. I...@Rob <br />"Well it’s clear that you don’t know. In fact it’s the leading hypothesis,"<br /> <br />I know everything. No need to imagine, no trace of spread from the Levant has ever been found. There were very cautious statements about the Bohunician, but not about Bachokirian. Earlier it was often called Archaic Aurignacuan, Aurignacuan from Altai. So don’t, no one took it to Emiran. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85740264350311811472021-02-06T14:20:22.311-08:002021-02-06T14:20:22.311-08:00@ Archie
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"The Bacho Kirian is usually asc...@ Archie <br /><br />“<br />"The Bacho Kirian is usually ascribed an Emiran origin."<br /><br />This was never any scientific data, I don't even know whose fantasy it is. ”<br /><br />Well it’s clear that you don’t know. In fact it’s the leading hypothesis, including that of the main author of the upcoming study <br />“ series of initial Upper Paleolithic assemblages spread from theRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11897038561151004782021-02-06T13:28:29.503-08:002021-02-06T13:28:29.503-08:00@epoch
"I'm good with a combined BK_UP....@epoch <br /><br />"I'm good with a combined BK_UP."<br /><br />You cannot combine, there are samples from completely different eras. One of the initial UP Bachokirien, the second of the end of the Orignacian, the beginning of the Gravettian. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40713400256920460052021-02-06T13:25:01.897-08:002021-02-06T13:25:01.897-08:00"The Bacho Kirian is usually ascribed an Emir..."The Bacho Kirian is usually ascribed an Emiran origin."<br /><br />This was never any scientific data, I don't even know whose fantasy it is. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44867527369964342002021-02-06T08:32:11.243-08:002021-02-06T08:32:11.243-08:00@Arza
A number of models claim a rather unaltered...@Arza<br /><br />A number of models claim a rather unaltered Villabruna/WHG-like ancestry from early on, admixing in Vestonice and such. The question obviously would be where this ancestry was from, if it really existed. As we have Kostenki12/Buran Kaya and Muierii/Cioclovina as evidence where it could not be from, and we have Villabruna related ancestry in Dzudzuana 26 kyo, that Bacho_Kiro_MUP epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11461877318881408652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34427831214204421052021-02-06T07:56:33.184-08:002021-02-06T07:56:33.184-08:00@Archi
Bacho_Kiro_IUP is clustered with Romania_O...@Archi<br /><br />Bacho_Kiro_IUP is clustered with Romania_Oase. This is Bachokirien, as I wrote earlier, comes from Russia_Ust_Ishim. <br /><br />It seems that a group has been found that has spread mtDNA R throughout Eurasia. Yes, the male Y-DNA of this group died out in Siberia and Europe, but the female remainedVladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64304645619704651432021-02-06T06:10:57.377-08:002021-02-06T06:10:57.377-08:00@Arza
I'm good with a combined BK_UP.
If you...@Arza<br /><br />I'm good with a combined BK_UP.<br /><br />If you could please do the following D-stats:<br /><br />Chimp BK_UP GoyetQ116-1 Kostenki14<br />Chimp BK_UP Tianyuan Kostenki14<br />Chimp BK_UP GoyetQ116-1 Tianyuan<br /><br />Chimp BK_UP Vestonice16 Kostenki14<br />Chimp BK_UP Villabruna Kostinki14epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11461877318881408652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23898391379118891442021-02-06T04:50:53.104-08:002021-02-06T04:50:53.104-08:00The Bacho Kirian is usually ascribed an Emiran ori...The Bacho Kirian is usually ascribed an Emiran origin. Any shared affinities with Ust-Ishm are due to the fact that there both IUP. Of course, we should probably wait for the paper & real stats Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30571381844101768092021-02-06T04:47:36.527-08:002021-02-06T04:47:36.527-08:00Mbuti.DG BK_BK-1653 Romania_Oase Russia_Sunghir1.S...Mbuti.DG BK_BK-1653 Romania_Oase Russia_Sunghir1.SG 0.0112927137287918 0.0010949267260681782 10.31<br />Mbuti.DG BK_BK-1653 Belgium_UP_GoyetQ376-19_published Indian_GreatAndaman_100BP.SG -0.011154043598628607 0.0021 -5.25<br />Mbuti.DG BK_BK-1653 BK_CC7-335 Russia_Sunghir1.SG 0.010489221265323985 0.0010258021582249055 10.225<br />Mbuti.DG BK_BK-1653 BK_CC7-335 Belgium_UP_GoyetQ376-19_published Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19401461723088469382021-02-06T04:33:17.221-08:002021-02-06T04:33:17.221-08:00Mbuti.DG BK_BK-1653 Romania_Oase Belgium_UP_GoyetQ...Mbuti.DG BK_BK-1653 Romania_Oase Belgium_UP_GoyetQ376-19_published 0.01657621930007655 0.0042818666662714985 3.871260034939516 1.082742128264593e-4 4791<br />Mbuti.DG BK_BK-1653 Romania_Oase Czech_Vestonice16 0.01617785019503283 0.001037611191111251 15.5914376537389 8.323897790481658e-55 135020<br />Mbuti.DG BK_BK-1653 Romania_Oase Belgium_UP_GoyetQ116_1_published_all 0.014340893237005558 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36264715547456187532021-02-06T04:09:59.503-08:002021-02-06T04:09:59.503-08:00Most unclustered
Chimp.REF Romania_Oase BK_BB7-24...Most unclustered <br />Chimp.REF Romania_Oase BK_BB7-240 BK_BK-1653 -0.003902541925957309 0.0013809072643963642 -2.8260709654990674 0.004712282295506002 75848<br />Chimp.REF Romania_Oase BK_CC7-335 BK_BK-1653 -0.004469606674612653 0.0015594579174334016 -2.8661284313262225 0.0041552563186292866 57052<br />Chimp.REF Romania_Oase BK_F6-620 BK_BK-1653 -0.0047143354136048475 0.0012447073750027158 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com