tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post3702575121140674034..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Dr Patterson I presumeDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53113869496437602572017-02-18T16:11:51.562-08:002017-02-18T16:11:51.562-08:00It makes no difference where the geographic or pol...It makes no difference where the geographic or political line between Europe and Asia was drawn at different times.<br /><br />It's actually very easy to differentiate Europeans from Asians, including West Asians, using DNA. The border is pretty obvious, and it's around the Urals.<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/so-whos-most-european-of-us-all.html<br /><br />And all Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2868679997528759422017-02-18T07:30:10.393-08:002017-02-18T07:30:10.393-08:00@David
"There are published Poltavka, Potapo...@David<br /><br />"There are published Poltavka, Potapovka and Srubnaya samples that belong to Z93. Obviously, they're from Europe, since they were dug up west of the Urals.<br /><br />Not sure how you missed this?"<br /><br />I was aware these samples from Russia were Z93. I just overlooked that they were in Europe because I've gotten so used to considering Russia as a separateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46566341330640688542017-02-17T09:41:17.321-08:002017-02-17T09:41:17.321-08:00Well, it's the same whether it's aDNA or p...Well, it's the same whether it's aDNA or physical anthropology, if the results fit my theory they must be generally applicable, if they contradict it clearly a local aberration. ;) capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65338495685395427102017-02-16T15:37:11.952-08:002017-02-16T15:37:11.952-08:00@Capra,
Yes, Probably.
However is funny. we take D...@Capra,<br />Yes, Probably.<br />However is funny. we take DNA from one sample and make vast inferences about the all populations. Here they used a large amount of samples... but we are always quick to notice its not from all over Britain...! <br /><br />That is why I am sure the future of adna is going to brink surprises that will turn the table.<br /><br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70446534023384902682017-02-16T14:33:12.630-08:002017-02-16T14:33:12.630-08:00@OM
I had a look. It seems to be dealing with onl...@OM<br /><br />I had a look. It seems to be dealing with only a few locations, and the British Celts are only a group of burials in Yorkshire that were thought maybe to be La Tene culture immigrants from across the Channel. <br /><br />I couldn't find any comparisons with modern populations - probably one could compare the raw distance data but I don't have the time or patience.capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36111854183482299982017-02-16T10:17:17.119-08:002017-02-16T10:17:17.119-08:00@Capra,
Not something I can answer by memory. But ...@Capra,<br />Not something I can answer by memory. But Anctil work is available, so please do check-it out and see if those answer are in there provided. What I retain (read it in august last year) is that to their demise Britiths Celtic population was not at all related to Halstatt nor those to La tene. Weird, they thought.<br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58390954418505911092017-02-15T10:55:07.388-08:002017-02-15T10:55:07.388-08:00@OM
Well, are the dental differences between the ...@OM<br /><br />Well, are the dental differences between the different Celtic groups bigger than those between Hinxton and CE Bell Beaker or Irish and Welsh or whatever?capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68867865551208226052017-02-15T07:20:14.386-08:002017-02-15T07:20:14.386-08:00Sein,
Those look pretty good. I've only used ...Sein,<br /><br />Those look pretty good. I've only used Sintashta in my analysis, but I'll try Srubnaya too since they're better quality. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35792066430850088952017-02-15T07:19:57.855-08:002017-02-15T07:19:57.855-08:00@Karl_K,
I see you have deleted your comment. too ...@Karl_K,<br />I see you have deleted your comment. too bad. It was a very good group thinking and Echo Chamber comment.<br /><br />it was regarding this comment from davidski:<br /><br />"Maybe the original Celts were basically like modern-day Brits and Irish, Hinxton Celts, Central Euro Beakers and British Beakers?"<br /><br />Truth is the conversation was about Anctil work and no. He Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4920379564993874332017-02-15T07:18:08.808-08:002017-02-15T07:18:08.808-08:00because neither you nor Nirjhar understand the dat...<i> because neither you nor Nirjhar understand the data </i> <br /><br />Good for you mate ;) . But it must be getting late there in Aus (if you are there now ) , you should take a bit rest . The clock is ticking :<br /><br /><b>Tick tock Tick tock Tick tock Tick tock Tick tock Tick tock Tick tock....</b>Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5541188297630074072017-02-15T07:17:04.497-08:002017-02-15T07:17:04.497-08:00@Davidski... yes, that is what I am saying: resort...@Davidski... yes, that is what I am saying: resorting to figures of authority it might have worked in the past. Now, not really. <br />I will be, however, very attentive to the <i>spins</i> here in Eurogenes as the next two years unfold. I figure there will be plenty of it.<br /><br />Lets just be calm and wait. <br /><br />Note: what do you mean by <b>"utterly hopeless your positions are&Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39737552928834485692017-02-15T07:01:04.866-08:002017-02-15T07:01:04.866-08:00oh, that Europe... you must be getting nervous.
Y...<i>oh, that Europe... you must be getting nervous.</i><br /><br />Yeah, Eastern Europe.<br /><br />It's sort of funny, because neither you nor Nirjhar understand the data, like not even the basics, so you simply don't have a clue how utterly hopeless your positions are.<br /><br />You'll find out one day, but it'll take you a while.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4325856896646935542017-02-15T06:57:19.955-08:002017-02-15T06:57:19.955-08:00@Nirjhar007,
with the tension you have been buildi...@Nirjhar007,<br />with the tension you have been building the last months about it, it better be really extraordinary or it will be very disappointing.Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53263922495501991322017-02-15T06:57:12.355-08:002017-02-15T06:57:12.355-08:00@Davidski
"There are published Poltavka, Pota...@Davidski<br />"There are published Poltavka, Potapovka and Srubnaya samples t"<br /><br />oh, that Europe... you must be getting nervous.<br /><br /><br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42038439647314708242017-02-15T05:51:04.737-08:002017-02-15T05:51:04.737-08:00There are published Poltavka, Potapovka and Srubna...There are published Poltavka, Potapovka and Srubnaya samples that belong to Z93. Obviously, they're from Europe, since they were dug up west of the Urals.<br /><br />Not sure how you missed this? Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89319128808939933822017-02-15T05:42:57.895-08:002017-02-15T05:42:57.895-08:00@David
"There's a reason why Z93 reaches...@David<br /><br /><i>"There's a reason why Z93 reaches 30% or more in much of South Asia, and why it's now showing up in Bronze Age Europe."</i><br /><br />Has R1a-Z93 been found in Bronze Age Europe? Which paper covered that and which specific samples were Z93? Or do you mention it from your advance knowledge of some upcoming papers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21028869237916648732017-02-15T04:43:00.776-08:002017-02-15T04:43:00.776-08:00And what happens for Southern Slavs? :)
And one m...<i>And what happens for Southern Slavs? :)<br /><br />And one more thing, how good are all those Ukrainian samples , when they are used instead?</i><br /><br />Southern Slavs look like a mixture of Northern Slavs and native Balkan groups, which is what they are.<br /><br />The new Ukrainian samples don't have enough markers for really detailed tests like this, but they look like decent Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84638614116655923912017-02-15T04:27:23.294-08:002017-02-15T04:27:23.294-08:00Sein,
And its coming :) . This year will not be fo...Sein,<br />And its coming :) . This year will not be forgotten . Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19725878665138577932017-02-15T04:20:52.680-08:002017-02-15T04:20:52.680-08:00Nirjhar007,
Who knows.
I guess we all need to w...Nirjhar007,<br /><br />Who knows. <br /><br />I guess we all need to wait for some aDNA, which will certainly prove to be very interesting, whatever it may show.Seinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78068687887014672302017-02-15T04:08:17.946-08:002017-02-15T04:08:17.946-08:00But, it seems that perhaps the supposed Indo-Aryan...<i><b>But, it seems that perhaps the supposed Indo-Aryan migration didn't leave much of a genetic impact, as most Indians can be construed as 0% Srubnaya/Sintashta/Andronovo </b></i> <br /><br />Or we can propose with also in Agreement with Archaeology + Tradition, Which includes ancient texts , that such migration NEVER happened . A thing , that I am suggesting here ,for years . <br /><br Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7249481068368498642017-02-15T03:59:05.695-08:002017-02-15T03:59:05.695-08:00Alberto,
Ah, I should have also mentioned your id...Alberto,<br /><br />Ah, I should have also mentioned your ideas, as we really have debated these questions from the very beginning!<br /><br />Honestly, those Ukrainian and Latvian samples made me realize that things will be very complex. No simple cookie cutter scenario is feasible. <br /><br />On top of that, Iran_Hotu shouldn't be ignored, and I have tended to ignore that sample. <br /><brSeinundzeithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14194936397714207913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71174035751673924242017-02-15T03:53:15.852-08:002017-02-15T03:53:15.852-08:00Thank you David . And what happens for Southern Sl...Thank you David . And what happens for Southern Slavs? :) . <br /><br />And one more thing, how good are all those Ukrainian samples , when they are used instead?. <br /><br />TIA . Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86034370256414114092017-02-15T03:47:24.775-08:002017-02-15T03:47:24.775-08:00Yamnaya gives the best statistical fits, but this ...Yamnaya gives the best statistical fits, but this is because with Yamnaya the algorithm can vary the amount of Middle Neolithic or Early Neolithic + Western HG input.<br /><br />I can't see any difference when using Corded Ware and Srubnaya for Northern Slavs and Balts. They're both good ancestral populations. Not really surprising, since they're so similar.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20488738742725906822017-02-15T03:15:14.586-08:002017-02-15T03:15:14.586-08:00Sein,Alberto , Dave.
First of course , I also ag...Sein,Alberto , Dave. <br /><br />First of course , I also agree with what Alberto said . Anyway, my curiosity is this : <b> Do Srubnaya gives better results for Slavs and Balts than of CWC , Yamnaya? in case of modelling them ?. </b> . <br /><br />Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82369207255476041412017-02-15T02:58:41.362-08:002017-02-15T02:58:41.362-08:00@Seinundzeit
Just to say that I can finally compl...@Seinundzeit<br /><br />Just to say that I can finally completely agree with you about this (since our debate goes back to the time when the Sintashta genomes were made available and Davidski started to model S-C Asians with them using qpAdm). And I'll remark the part about the <em>possibilities</em> and the need for more ancient DNA to really know (in this last thing we've always agreed,Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.com