tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post4120708237566889383..comments2024-03-28T08:39:32.244-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: A significant findingDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger125125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40553155784636160062020-05-24T06:09:05.299-07:002020-05-24T06:09:05.299-07:00@Slumberry
I used the same ref pops as you did b...@Slumberry <br /><br />I used the same ref pops as you did but instead of Barcin_N I used Pinarbasi_HG . I also added a bunch of ancient East Asians from China, Hoabinhians and Taforalt. <br /><br />"So I do not think this is ancestry specifically connected to Ush_Ishim. More like ancestry from a ghost population that is so badly represented in the samples that Ust-Ushim can step in as the gamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25215633734218538352020-05-23T08:44:53.211-07:002020-05-23T08:44:53.211-07:00We need DNA from late Rakushechny Yar 6000-5000BC?...We need DNA from late Rakushechny Yar 6000-5000BC? This should be EHG + the CHG component diverged from Iran_N/CHG before 7000BC.Santosh Rajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04123305937973885088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50717150680037944852020-05-23T07:17:54.435-07:002020-05-23T07:17:54.435-07:00My feeling is that R1a-m417 pop up in a neolithic ...My feeling is that R1a-m417 pop up in a neolithic group on middle-Don or central chernozem. Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00316719880475620356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89389980952711281572020-05-23T04:08:33.120-07:002020-05-23T04:08:33.120-07:00@gamerz_J
What are the the other reference popula...@gamerz_J<br /><br />What are the the other reference populations of the model where Ust-Ushim comes up?<br /><br />If I add Ust-Ishim to the model I used to compare CHG to Iran_N/M under the earlier post, I get this:<br /><br />"sample": "GEO_CHG:Average",<br /> "fit": 24.4305,<br /> "Anatolia_Barcin_N": 50.83,<br /> "RUS_MA1": 45,<br />Slumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43130108475902620292020-05-23T00:01:19.127-07:002020-05-23T00:01:19.127-07:00This is from the 2017 work: "Around the 22nd ...This is from the 2017 work: "Around the 22nd century BC, a group recognizable by the fatyanoid pottery quickly dispersed over the territory of the Volosovo culture. It is possible to call Chirkovo-Seima, and just Seima . A. H. Halikov (1960) identified this component in Chirkovo-Seima culture as "a pottery type Seima dunes". Some people with fatyanid (Seima) ceramics became part ofVladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1612257968192592062020-05-22T23:34:15.687-07:002020-05-22T23:34:15.687-07:00This is from the work of 2019 on the occurrence Ak...This is from the work of 2019 on the occurrence Akozino option Ananyino culture from the culture of mesh ceramics : "Ethnically the Ananyino cultural area time in the Volga-Kama was, therefore, at least three "Ananyino" cultures (ethno-cultural entities or groups): akozino-akmylovo on the Middle Volga, Vyatka-Vetluga (ceramics with comb-wire ornamentation) and Kama (ceramics with Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80811445958536512222020-05-22T21:40:54.552-07:002020-05-22T21:40:54.552-07:00@ Davidski
So where was the epicenter of this Ya...@ Davidski <br /><br />So where was the epicenter of this Yamnaya-likeness ? At the Lower Don or in the Caucasus Piedmont Steppe ? Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11641798765461765972020-05-22T20:26:41.445-07:002020-05-22T20:26:41.445-07:00@Anthiny Hanken
Basically, I agree. And here is ...@Anthiny Hanken <br /><br />Basically, I agree. And here is from recent work in support of your thesis that it is not a fact that N1a broke up on lake Baikal, and not in southern Siberia. <br />Paleolithic to Bronze Age Siberians Reveal Connections with First Americans and across Eurasia<br />"This suggests that the Baikal hunter-gatherer and Nganasan populations are more likely to have Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62132962414954123712020-05-22T16:11:45.067-07:002020-05-22T16:11:45.067-07:00What Y-DNA did the indigenous people of Siberia be...What Y-DNA did the indigenous people of Siberia belong to? I presume subclasses of Q and they were predominantly ANE/EHG like?Jatt_Scythianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07404099116513757448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85201901043548379252020-05-22T11:21:26.034-07:002020-05-22T11:21:26.034-07:00Does anyone know if Iran_N has Ust-Ishim-like ance...Does anyone know if Iran_N has Ust-Ishim-like ancestry? I am trying out some models and it prefers Ust-Ishim to Onge or Tianyuan. Gets a marginally better fit too. CHG doesn't show it.<br /><br />@Davidski<br /><br />Thanks for adding the samples.<br /><br />@Jatt<br /><br />The Iron Age IIRC.gamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77981766312434961222020-05-22T10:41:42.894-07:002020-05-22T10:41:42.894-07:00Jatt_Scythian wrote,
"When do you think Mong...Jatt_Scythian wrote,<br /><br />"When do you think Mongoloid/East Eurasian N admixed into a Western population?"<br /><br />About 4,000 ybp with the spread of the Seima-Turbino phenomenon. A later introduction is implausible considering the diversity and geographical spread of European subclades, and an earlier introduction would require one to assume that subsequent back-migrations Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12412187636453682802020-05-22T10:13:19.989-07:002020-05-22T10:13:19.989-07:00Eneolithic N1 from Baikal and north China are NOT ...Eneolithic N1 from Baikal and north China are NOT ancestral to European N clades which were probably already somewhere further west, in central Siberia. The first contacts with an IE population would have occured in the forest steppe region, somewhere between the Urals and Altai between N-L1026 rich Uralic groups and R1a rich Iranian groups forming Seima-Turbino. The Uralic groups probably would Anthony Hankenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08558813696890276719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35070868809979117062020-05-22T07:47:01.765-07:002020-05-22T07:47:01.765-07:00@Ebizur
When do you think Mongoloid/East Eurasian...@Ebizur<br /><br />When do you think Mongoloid/East Eurasian N admixed into a Western population?Jatt_Scythianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07404099116513757448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58820503522631673442020-05-22T06:05:13.805-07:002020-05-22T06:05:13.805-07:00Genomic history of the Italian population recapitu...Genomic history of the Italian population recapitulates key evolutionary dynamics of both Continental and Southern Europeans<br />https://bmcbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12915-020-00778-4#Fig2<br /><br />there seems to be no new ancient DNA, but still the article is interestingVladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11319250344428787842020-05-22T03:43:47.670-07:002020-05-22T03:43:47.670-07:00@Ebizur "I wonder whether N-Z4908 may have or...@Ebizur "I wonder whether N-Z4908 may have originated in some Uralic-speaking population of Fennoscandia (proto-Baltic Finn or proto-Sami), admixed into the ancient proto-Swedes (Svear), and then migrated into northeastern Europe in medieval times with the Rus/Varangians."<br /><br />Z4908 is unlikely. But the L550 (xL1025) for sure.<br />L550 was still in the South-East of the Baltic Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43559183986095358342020-05-22T02:49:22.487-07:002020-05-22T02:49:22.487-07:00N-CTS2929/VL29 > N-Z4908 > N-L550/S431 > ...N-CTS2929/VL29 > N-Z4908 > N-L550/S431 > N-L1025/B215 has been found in great percentages (30%+) of present-day Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians. It also has been observed in smaller percentages of people in (European) Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Finland, and Sweden, and there also seems to have been a minor diaspora to the West Germanic countries (Germany, the Netherlands, Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1528635855880278172020-05-22T01:43:48.916-07:002020-05-22T01:43:48.916-07:00@All
The following samples are now in the Global2...@All<br /><br />The following samples are now in the Global25 datasheets.<br /><br />RUS_Baikal_BA:GLZ003<br />RUS_Baikal_BA:KAG002<br />RUS_Baikal_BA:KPT001<br />RUS_Baikal_BA:KPT002<br />RUS_Baikal_BA:KPT003<br />RUS_Baikal_BA:KPT004<br />RUS_Baikal_BA:KPT006<br />RUS_Baikal_BA:STB001<br />RUS_Baikal_BA:ZPL001<br />RUS_Baikal_BA:ZPL002<br />RUS_Baikal_BA_o:GLZ001<br />RUS_Baikal_BA_o:GLZ002<br Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15892707529220584882020-05-21T23:59:54.260-07:002020-05-21T23:59:54.260-07:00Re paternal N: it seems to me that N-CTS9976 relat...Re paternal N: it seems to me that N-CTS9976 related to fex Finns, Estonians, Scandinavians and Balts expanded into East Baltic area already during Seyma Turbino expansion, probably from Volga area. However, it seems to have first resided in NW Russia for a while, before the slightly later areal re-expansion. Then there is fex N-Z1936, (Eastern )Finns, Hungarians, Khanty, Mansi, Bashkirs, Volga Queequeghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04033948224040118380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21565760858569809172020-05-21T23:12:47.413-07:002020-05-21T23:12:47.413-07:00Wood, I am aware of this, but I apply the principl...Wood, I am aware of this, but I apply the principle of economics of thinking. To think that I2a1b offspring live in a nearby area to this day is simply economical.<br /><br />Sam, maybe the Russian geneticists and linguists gathered around Balanovsky and the Russian genophond are right, who think that the Slavs were mainly from the Carpathian Basin.ambronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238484037682022972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10606000574738834362020-05-21T22:10:08.789-07:002020-05-21T22:10:08.789-07:00@Kavkasi
Yamnaya-like.
@Kavkasi <br /><br />Yamnaya-like.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26043290665763595372020-05-21T22:00:47.584-07:002020-05-21T22:00:47.584-07:00@Davidski "I know what was in the Lower Don 5...@Davidski "I know what was in the Lower Don 5,000-4,000 BCE, and many other interesting things."<br /><br />I asked you last time about Lower Don on the Eneolithic Steppe topic. I knew Lower Don will be crucial for the Steppe. What kinda population was there? Can you enlighten us even if 5000-4000BCE is Eneolithic not Neolithic ? Kavkasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04393181986526625104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26429016555454928132020-05-21T19:58:54.750-07:002020-05-21T19:58:54.750-07:00NEW INVESTIGATIONS OF THE SITE RAKUSHECHNY YAR IN ...NEW INVESTIGATIONS OF THE SITE RAKUSHECHNY YAR IN 2008-2013<br />© 2014<br /><br /> There are many dates in this work. they begin with 7930 BC<br /><br />http://www.pgsga.ru/research/samara-scientific-journal/number_journal/023.pdf<br /><br /> Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68493258217999415522020-05-21T19:44:50.694-07:002020-05-21T19:44:50.694-07:00NEW RADIOCARBON DATES OF THE NEOLITHIC SITES OF TH...<br />NEW RADIOCARBON DATES OF THE NEOLITHIC SITES OF THE DON REGION<br />© 2017 A. A. Vybornov, M. A. Kulkova, M. Oynonen, G. Possnert<br />1 Samara state socio-pedagogical University 2 Russian state pedagogical University, Saint Petersburg 3 Helsinki University, Finland 4 Uppsala University, Sweden<br />«The paper is devoted to the new data on the radiocarbon chronology of the Neolithic and Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19558288782703607782020-05-21T17:11:26.918-07:002020-05-21T17:11:26.918-07:00@Simon_W
1. I never said R1a came from the farmer...@Simon_W<br /><br />1. I never said R1a came from the farmers, it was local. <br /><br />2. <i>Also you're contradicting yourself saying that the massive population on the steppe was the result of farmers migrating onto the steppe and at the same time you're saying late CT was 90% steppe because of steppe people migrating out of the steppe more quickly than CT farmers could reproduce.</i>Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79313248135156282812020-05-21T14:58:02.902-07:002020-05-21T14:58:02.902-07:00Its weird. My models pasted above show that EHG is...Its weird. My models pasted above show that EHG is not required, just Steppe_En or CHG works.<br /><br />But adding Karelia_HG to right pops junks both these above models to below 0.05.vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.com