tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post4490521928158638673..comments2024-03-19T04:18:48.805-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Warriors from at least two different populations fought in the Tollense Valley battleDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger221125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36993800592102632262023-02-19T05:06:53.112-08:002023-02-19T05:06:53.112-08:00Can someone post a link to the BAM files mentioned...Can someone post a link to the BAM files mentioned?Dantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09095199117123014470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-92465663895904082021-04-09T19:44:34.086-07:002021-04-09T19:44:34.086-07:00Slavic "przeć" means to push while deliv...Slavic "przeć" means to push while delivering child or in general to put pressure (so publishing makes sense & press is "prasa" here).<br /><br />We have "prząść" for weaving (even finnish has this root - pyöritä) yarn (przędza). As you may know in Greek mythology 3 women weave human live-lines fate-lines. <br /><br />It seems pradhya means head while pravdhya Ebrelioshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10367484749034870991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21529264818269973032020-10-28T13:25:48.115-07:002020-10-28T13:25:48.115-07:00There's news: 145 distinct victims contributed...There's news: 145 distinct victims contributed to the remains, killed or (less likely) maimed. They included a number of porters, based on wear-and-tear on the skeletons who'd been porting longest. Also much of the DNA is southern which, I believe, should account for the low lactase persistence as of this time. Few northerners died in this "battle" on account it might not have Darayvushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17973750966981889517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50783646300894249932020-09-24T00:06:25.009-07:002020-09-24T00:06:25.009-07:00@Wise dragon
The CHG/Iran Neolithic ancestry in I...@Wise dragon<br /><br />The CHG/Iran Neolithic ancestry in Italy is, strictly speaking, neither CHG nor Iran Neolithic. It's just generally from the Near East, and yes mostly from Anatolia.<br /><br />However, my bet is that if we could go back precisely to find its source, most of it would be ultimately from the steppe, just like in other parts of Europe, but also from Mesopotamia, unlike inDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65690089862632877862020-09-23T21:24:57.963-07:002020-09-23T21:24:57.963-07:00@ Bob Floy,
I‘m not sure but from what I recall r...@ Bob Floy,<br /><br />I‘m not sure but from what I recall reading the Neolithic Iranian DNA didn‘t have really an impact on Italy, but instead only CHG. Iran Neo and CHG are very similar components yet not identical. Furthermore, the increase of this CHG component is due to the largest change from "Iron Age/republic era Romans" to "imperial" and present day Central Italians. Wise dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04528558596323917503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57450813970517019382020-09-23T01:55:46.122-07:002020-09-23T01:55:46.122-07:00In West Asia the Muslim Arab populations have some...In West Asia the Muslim Arab populations have some Sub-Saharan ancestry the other West Asian populations typically lack. Some Iranian populations in West Asia, if not all, have some obvious AASI ancestry from South Asia, which is typically lacking in the other West Asian populations. The East Eurasian admixture in West Asia is a Turkic thing and is pretty straightforward, no need for explanation.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59258585709581217932020-09-22T16:30:02.097-07:002020-09-22T16:30:02.097-07:00@wise dragon
Southern Italians have a ton of near...@wise dragon<br /><br />Southern Italians have a ton of near eastern and Iranian neolithic type ancestry that's lacking in the rest of Europe. Northern and central Europe's ancestry is much simpler by comparison. Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43298692182625016842020-09-22T14:57:58.118-07:002020-09-22T14:57:58.118-07:00@ Davidski,
"By and large, Italians have muc...@ Davidski,<br /><br />"By and large, Italians have much more complex ancestry than Brits and Poles."<br /><br />In what way have Italians a more complex ancestry?<br />Wise dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04528558596323917503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35652983184992213742020-09-22T14:54:05.344-07:002020-09-22T14:54:05.344-07:00@ Sam Andrews,
The thing is when using the term &...@ Sam Andrews,<br /><br />The thing is when using the term "Middle Eastern" people automatically associate this term with Arabs, and not a with a farmer population from Asia minor. Neither present day Turks nor Middle Easterners but Sardinians are genetically the closest living relatives of Anatolian farmers/EEF.<br /><br />As far I as I know Anatolian farmers had themselves some WHG Wise dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04528558596323917503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52888236435878699422020-09-22T03:00:01.570-07:002020-09-22T03:00:01.570-07:00David, yes, that's exactly what I meant. Thank...David, yes, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks for the answer!ambronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238484037682022972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79518356985859629552020-09-22T00:49:51.636-07:002020-09-22T00:49:51.636-07:00@ambron
I'm guessing that with "targeted...@ambron<br /><br />I'm guessing that with "targeted" you're referring to the target enrichment and capture method that was used in this study and is used in many other ancient DNA studies.<br /><br />No, target enrichment won't skew the results of the K36 test, provided there is enough data for a reliable run. <br /><br />So if the samples are of very low coverage, and thus Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7505111637777095692020-09-21T23:49:03.963-07:002020-09-21T23:49:03.963-07:00David, can targeted genome sequencing is apt to sk...David, can targeted genome sequencing is apt to skew the results of K36? I am asking in the context of the Welzin samples.ambronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238484037682022972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-662125959075225042020-09-21T12:46:19.313-07:002020-09-21T12:46:19.313-07:00@Sam
This debunks the idea of them being extremel...@Sam<br /><br /><i>This debunks the idea of them being extremely distinct, but it doesn't debunk the idea, there's distinctness about Europeans in the same way there's a distinctness about South Asians and a distinctness about Southwest Asians.</i><br /><br />Yes, and also within those regional groups (e.g., Sicilians vs. Scandinavians, Anatolians vs. Arabians, NW South Asians vs. Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88611490791220271942020-09-21T12:39:48.542-07:002020-09-21T12:39:48.542-07:00@Sam
That's a pretty good description of Andr...@Sam<br /><br />That's a pretty good description of Andre's thinking, I'd say.<br />He seems to be permanently stuck in the beginner phase.Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67038248570666445382020-09-21T11:50:55.836-07:002020-09-21T11:50:55.836-07:00@Onur Dincer
"The term EEF is misleading as E...@Onur Dincer<br />"The term EEF is misleading as EEF are largely Anatolian Neolithic farmer in ancestry."<br /><br />Yeah, I think we're all aware of that.<br /><br />"if a population is long-established in Europe, that is enough to call it European."<br /><br />Especially when every living European has at least 20% or so of it.Bob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63661341598690484012020-09-21T11:40:28.165-07:002020-09-21T11:40:28.165-07:00@Andre
It seems you used to believe that European...@Andre<br /><br />It seems you used to believe that Europeans are like a fundamentally distinct subspecies of humans who've been apart of a pure lineage since the out-of-Africa event. In the same way Brown Bears are distinct from Black Bears. And maybe you also threw a little racism on top of that. <br /><br />Then you found out this isn't true.<br /><br />You found out Europeans are Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43447245988309362152020-09-21T11:34:59.678-07:002020-09-21T11:34:59.678-07:00It is true that Lithuanians/Latvians are the most ...It is true that Lithuanians/Latvians are the most European, in that they have the most Mesolithic/Paleo European ancestry.<br /><br />But, it is also true that Anatolian farmers spread across Europe 8,000-7,000 years ago which was a really long time ago. So......it is no longer a new type of ancestry in Europe.<br /><br />If, Andre thinks Anatolian farmer ancestry makes modern Europeans not very Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77428443400953711662020-09-21T11:21:52.536-07:002020-09-21T11:21:52.536-07:00On the is EEF Middle Eastern discussion.....
I ag...On the is EEF Middle Eastern discussion.....<br /><br />I agree with Onur that EEF is Middle Eastern. Therefore, it is accurate to say Europeans are part Middle Eastern.<br /><br />And moreover I don't think it is correct to put the four main Stone age Southwest Asian pops in mutually exclusive categories. They were all Southwest Asian/Middle Eastern. <br /><br />They were not closely relatedSamuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7636583255893673932020-09-21T03:10:53.738-07:002020-09-21T03:10:53.738-07:00The term EEF is misleading as EEF are largely Anat...The term EEF is misleading as EEF are largely Anatolian Neolithic farmer in ancestry. Anatolian Neolithic farmer ancestry is today found in all of West Eurasia and is Pan-West Eurasian in its modern distribution. That it today peaks among Sardinians, a peripherally European population, does not justify calling Anatolian Neolithic farmer ancestry as European ancestry, it is West Eurasian for sure,Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46091797672549295272020-09-20T13:53:05.847-07:002020-09-20T13:53:05.847-07:00@Andrzejewski
"Samuel, you sound like a Whit...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />"Samuel, you sound like a White Nationalist."<br /><br />...and you then go on to express your disappointment(lol)at not being more "European", because you have EEF ancestry(which, by the way, has nothing to do with modern Turks and is actually very "European", once you understand the big picture, but you're a long way from that). That isBob Floyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01863468406651284016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1198719290652233362020-09-20T06:27:48.355-07:002020-09-20T06:27:48.355-07:00@Andrzejewski
For Italians, I suggest you read ou...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />For Italians, I suggest you read our recent exchange on Italian genetics on these pages in Anthrogenica:<br /><br />https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?21234-Why-do-most-DNA-testing-companies-label-Jews-as-quot-European-quot/page7<br /><br />https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?21234-Why-do-most-DNA-testing-companies-label-Jews-as-quot-European-quot/page8Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8183495819318436302020-09-19T21:32:01.647-07:002020-09-19T21:32:01.647-07:00@Andrzejewski
By and large, Italians have much mo...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />By and large, Italians have much more complex ancestry than Brits and Poles.<br /><br />But anyway, genetics doesn't begin and end with ancient ancestry proportions.<br /><br />There are lots of other things you should learn about, including genetic drift, founder effects, selection, epigenetics, etc.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70461014628925883902020-09-19T20:18:02.323-07:002020-09-19T20:18:02.323-07:00Is it safe to determine that almost all White peop...Is it safe to determine that almost all White people have a deep ancestry admixture of Western Steppe Herders - mostly Corded Ware/Single Grave or even perhaps also Sredny Stog with mostly Globular Amphora and a minority of Cucuteni Tripolye? Is it safe to say that the main difference between a Brit, a Pole and an Italian is basically *the respective ratios*?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83043333743015606582020-09-19T11:59:33.260-07:002020-09-19T11:59:33.260-07:00@Palacista,
"Modern social ideas influencing...<br />@Palacista,<br /><br />"Modern social ideas influencing interpretations is always a risk in contoversial areas of research like human genetics, however, hostile knee jerck reactions from the MAGA hat brigade is more telling of the posters than the research."<br /><br />Yeah, how dare people to think for themselves and to reject ideology driven manipulation of scientific work. HereWise dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04528558596323917503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86763617046939641232020-09-19T10:26:09.584-07:002020-09-19T10:26:09.584-07:00Andrzejewski,
The ancient Anatolian farmers and t...Andrzejewski,<br /><br />The ancient Anatolian farmers and the CHG are, genetically at least, a completely different people to the present day inhabitants of those regions.<br />In fact, the ancient Anatolian farmers are much more related to modern south Europeans than they are to Turks, Kurds, Armenians etc.John Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454926902513067703noreply@blogger.com