tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post4808539062747028378..comments2024-03-28T15:48:23.186-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: The PIE homeland controversy: February 2022 status reportDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger247125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84503749355102201452022-02-13T07:53:29.456-08:002022-02-13T07:53:29.456-08:00@AshishKaull
For shizzle my fizzle, my grandma wo...@AshishKaull<br /><br />For shizzle my fizzle, my grandma would say this as:<br />Atway izay oryay amenay?<br /><br />It is Pig Latin. Or Pig Sanskrit?<br /><br />capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-235405672084119472022-02-11T00:31:49.903-08:002022-02-11T00:31:49.903-08:00@ Romulus
check some of the Wartberg (Immel) &...@ Romulus<br /><br />check some of the Wartberg (Immel) & British_N (Olalde, Brace). Also on that lineRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14727270224385975632022-02-11T00:16:51.305-08:002022-02-11T00:16:51.305-08:00My grandmother just spoke some words I have no clu...My grandmother just spoke some words I have no clue what it meant. She told me that they used to speak like this as kids.<br /><br />"Chergi kirgya Nargav churgui?"<br /><br />means "che kya nav chui?" in Koshur.<br />"What is your name?" in English.<br /><br /><br />Any idea what language is it?<br /><br />"Chergi kirgya Nargav churgui?" Is it Assuwatama https://www.blogger.com/profile/09103619946493477587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61000734390466707412022-02-10T17:26:29.589-08:002022-02-10T17:26:29.589-08:00My apologies for spamming comments
here are the ...My apologies for spamming comments <br /><br />here are the samples related to the Encrusted Pottery L1229:<br /><br />https://i.imgur.com/T8IIToU.png<br /><br />very interesting, many of the Tollense Valley samples belong to L1229 (and upstream highly related BY1003), as well as 2 Vatya, a Maros, a Langobard, and an Iron Age Italian (Dauninian). Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59886252788619000292022-02-10T17:11:33.803-08:002022-02-10T17:11:33.803-08:00nevermind I was getting L1229 and Y11229 mixed up ...nevermind I was getting L1229 and Y11229 mixed up , these encrusted pottery samples are not relatedRomulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63245084119246522842022-02-10T09:39:42.810-08:002022-02-10T09:39:42.810-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3802973809491664682022-02-10T04:03:25.325-08:002022-02-10T04:03:25.325-08:00@Wee e
As of Euro-Indo-Iranian Post-PIE CWC conne...@Wee e<br /><br />As of Euro-Indo-Iranian Post-PIE CWC connections, such as Brugmann's law, I presented some Polish words based on the root (W/B)+RT, which itself describes repetitive revolve / rotate / turn activities, such as night and day cycle or gate rotation, etc. That is all.SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85721378594723432562022-02-09T23:55:34.301-08:002022-02-09T23:55:34.301-08:00@ Aram
Understood . What is the ancestor of Maeot...@ Aram <br />Understood . What is the ancestor of Maeotic group ? Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23118856264113009892022-02-09T23:33:52.392-08:002022-02-09T23:33:52.392-08:00@ Romulus
L1229 isnt under L10057, is it ? On the...@ Romulus<br /><br />L1229 isnt under L10057, is it ? On the other hand, the split of GAC & Yamnaya-assoc I2a2 lines is Late -Paleo / Mesolithic.<br />GAC are so far patrilinearly monolithic, so there is no evidence that Encrusted pottery guys derive from GAC. As I said, the earliest findings of L1229 is from western Europe, not GAC in POland or Ukraine. but maybe they were all foudn in some Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85486426234234137152022-02-09T13:25:27.252-08:002022-02-09T13:25:27.252-08:00@Rob
They are different , I did not say they wer...@Rob <br /><br />They are different , I did not say they were the same, but they are not incompatible with a common origin. That is why I posted a link to the Y-Full SNP GAC, Yamnaya, and these Encrusted Pottery samples all share, CTS10057. Given Davidski apparently thinks the Encrusted Pottery are GAC derived, why would we assume another branch of this same group was any different especially Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1163584874816120342022-02-09T13:10:00.622-08:002022-02-09T13:10:00.622-08:00@SKribHa
I’m a little confused by your post. It se...@SKribHa<br />I’m a little confused by your post. It seems a bit gnomic. <br /><br />Really the subject wasn’t Lithuanian as such, or the etymology or “rata/ratas/ratis” in Lithuanian — but the question posed by Ashishkaull’s post about some Indo-Iranian languages (which I myself am clueless about): the word “raat”, “night”— that it seemed to depart from “naktis” and similar. I suggested that Wee ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06615336622272812503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62913047961372109282022-02-09T12:44:12.592-08:002022-02-09T12:44:12.592-08:00@ moesby.
As people all over China know, all it t...@ moesby.<br /><br />As people all over China know, all it takes to produce a decent amount of brachycephaly is to have a young baby sleep on its back. They just put a wee pillow either side of the head — and presto, “positional plagiocephaly” within a very few months.<br />The difference between round-headedness and some other forms of skull modification, is that gravity does a lot of it for youWee ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06615336622272812503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63926083377984898832022-02-09T12:43:23.975-08:002022-02-09T12:43:23.975-08:00@ moesby.
As people all over China know, all it t...@ moesby.<br /><br />As people all over China know, all it takes to produce a decent amount of brachycephaly is to have a young baby sleep on its back. They just put a wee pillow either side of the head — and presto, “positional plagiocephaly” within a very few months.<br />The difference between round-headedness and some other forms of skull modification, is that gravity does a lot of it for youWee ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06615336622272812503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22801294827522416322022-02-09T12:24:03.428-08:002022-02-09T12:24:03.428-08:00@ Romulus
''GAC, these Hungarians, and th...@ Romulus<br /><br />''GAC, these Hungarians, and the I2 in Yamnaya (RISE552/Bul4) all fall on the same branch of I2 ''<br /><br />Hold-up, these Encrusted pottery are I2a-L1229. That's I2a2a1a (2016, I don't use the 2019/20 crap conventions) <br />GAC is different - I2a2a1b2; Yamnaya/ DDII is I2a2a1b1 <br />Theyre all different lines, not the sameRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14161165569134794742022-02-09T11:49:21.201-08:002022-02-09T11:49:21.201-08:00@Davidski, interesting suggestion! Cool if true. I...@Davidski, interesting suggestion! Cool if true. I think this is exactly a zone that's been proposed as a likely one by some (Rob? And others?). If there is a cultural (material or purely cultural) change in the LCA/EBA that allowed some groups to expand, maybe it would make sense that a group in this zone might have more chance to learn that culture and be more likely to survive and expand Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1977599564972292422022-02-09T10:29:52.267-08:002022-02-09T10:29:52.267-08:00@Wee
I beg the pardon of other forumers because th...@Wee<br />I beg the pardon of other forumers because this aspect is not wellcome here, but somethings have to be said:<br />The attribution of brachycephally+planoccipitally to only cradling deformations are out of sense; it records me the eternal fight between pots and bones among British archeologists.<br />Among current people allover Europe are found, rarely or commonly, skulls of this so Moesanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09071027942398975936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2552047555046020672022-02-09T08:42:36.909-08:002022-02-09T08:42:36.909-08:00These Hungarian I2s have the same levels of Steppe...These Hungarian I2s have the same levels of Steppe ancestry as the Mycenaeans ~10%. Yamnaya_Bulgaria_Outlier Bul4 is interesting and probably related to these samples, it has more Steppe ancestry at about 35% but that is still very low compared to other Yamnaya and Corded Ware Samples. GAC, these Hungarians, and the I2 in Yamnaya (RISE552/Bul4) all fall on the same branch of I2 which has never Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83415266876205258872022-02-09T06:41:06.122-08:002022-02-09T06:41:06.122-08:00Well excuuuse me for actually reading these papers...Well excuuuse me for actually reading these papers and repeating the conclusions of the authors. The Y-DNA of those samples does certainly support a GAC origin though so I agree. With respect to the round heads of British Beakers being a result of cradleboarding, that is nonsense it is without a doubt genetic.Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-404311280483861712022-02-09T06:25:51.811-08:002022-02-09T06:25:51.811-08:00Rob
My error.
I was wanting to say that we don&#...Rob<br /><br />My error.<br /><br />I was wanting to say that we don't have right now large number of Y dna from Koban culture, to make definitive judgements.<br /><br />But via early Alan samples from the same region we can have some idea how Koban was looking.<br /><br />Just because those early Alans were a mixture of Iranian nomads and locals, who themselves were mostly of Koban origin.<Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28075254628895234162022-02-09T05:38:32.865-08:002022-02-09T05:38:32.865-08:00There is a Y7240 in the Iron Gate (I4878, 5800-570...There is a Y7240 in the Iron Gate (I4878, 5800-5700 BC), this is the sister subclades of L1229.Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55230372229582128932022-02-09T04:44:50.693-08:002022-02-09T04:44:50.693-08:00That probably answers my follow up for the root of...That probably answers my follow up for the root of "Nār" sometimes used to denote fire in Urdu, I guess.Assuwatama https://www.blogger.com/profile/09103619946493477587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87449996931260255212022-02-09T04:02:44.320-08:002022-02-09T04:02:44.320-08:00@Wee e
In Lithuania I came across the word “rata” ...@Wee e<br /><i>In Lithuania I came across the word “rata” used to mean a day, in the sense of a 24 hour period. That is, a day and a night. “Rata” (ratis etc) of course crops up in all sorts of Lithuanian words for wheel, lap, cycle etc. But perhaps raat is related to “rest”: and Sanskrit ramate रमते ?</i><br /><br />Wrota / WRoTa<br /><br />From Proto-Slavic *vorta.<br /><br />wrota = gate<br />SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50931290419485480152022-02-09T03:54:55.212-08:002022-02-09T03:54:55.212-08:00@AshishKaull
In that case Greek word for Fire is d...@AshishKaull<br /><i>In that case Greek word for Fire is derived from *péh₂wr.</i><br /><br />Pożar / Po+Z”/R”aR<br /><br />From Proto-Slavic *požarъ.<br /><br />pożar = fire (occurrence of fire in a certain place), conflagration<br /><br />Żar / Z”/R”aR<br /><br />From Proto-Slavic *žarъ, from Proto-Indo-European *gʷʰer- (“glow”).<br /><br />żar = ember; glowing coals or wood, extreme heat<br />SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78485603051058180732022-02-09T03:27:15.262-08:002022-02-09T03:27:15.262-08:00@Rob
Apparently, they're fairly unique.@Rob<br /><br />Apparently, they're fairly unique.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41589702345904759522022-02-09T03:12:53.158-08:002022-02-09T03:12:53.158-08:00@ Aram
Not sure what you mean exactly about Alans...@ Aram<br /><br />Not sure what you mean exactly about Alans, or how they relate, but sure I guess Maeotian culture could be NWC. Koban group interacted with Cimmerians/ Early Scythians, was it around during Alan period ?<br /><br /><br />@ Dave<br />Do these guys have affinities with Rou_C and Maljaki Preslavets ?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.com