tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post4958129657167522341..comments2024-03-29T04:00:27.058-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Viking Age IcelandDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger125125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11490633981046479702019-12-05T19:26:05.351-08:002019-12-05T19:26:05.351-08:00@ Lukasz M
I want to keep VahaduoJS data-agnostic ...@ Lukasz M<br />I want to keep VahaduoJS data-agnostic and I don't have any plans for any spreadsheet integration. But I have a concept of another tool that will be dedicated to G25, so swapping the data source won't be a problem then.<br /><br />If you want a dedicated PCA reprocessing tool just link your spreadsheet with sample sets dedicated to different PCAs.vahaduohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11045408248287178465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84841832864172940612019-12-03T01:18:12.631-08:002019-12-03T01:18:12.631-08:00@ Rob
Yes maybe. I think that the Low Countries a...@ Rob<br /><br />Yes maybe. I think that the Low Countries and the Isles had a close connection from the early Bronze Age till the beginning of the Iron Age. Iron Age Migrations like the Cimbri and Teutons etc. must have had some impact in Gaul...Hannibal and his campaign through Iberia and Southern Gaul also could have left some influence...if there were so many migrations in recorded history Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56054037372486585622019-12-02T12:24:01.919-08:002019-12-02T12:24:01.919-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8302935472070337102019-12-02T12:21:20.215-08:002019-12-02T12:21:20.215-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74908231492005706842019-12-02T12:11:37.486-08:002019-12-02T12:11:37.486-08:00@ Ric
“Interesting. If a 1000 plus years did not...@ Ric <br /><br />“Interesting. If a 1000 plus years did not make an extreme difference why would a 1000 years prior have made a big difference ?”<br /><br />Because language change is not constant; but varies in pace depending on social<br />Dynamics; see Robert Dixon & others <br /><br />Eg soon after the Ogham stone period; Irish changes rapidly, after Roman collapse and adoption of Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1424040350078375672019-12-02T07:27:14.133-08:002019-12-02T07:27:14.133-08:00@ Moesan
Yes even Agglutinative and Non-Agglutina...@ Moesan<br /><br />Yes even Agglutinative and Non-Agglutinative are not set in stone.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25025332166829112252019-12-02T07:12:18.209-08:002019-12-02T07:12:18.209-08:00@all
I'm still not convinced that BB is the s...@all<br /><br />I'm still not convinced that BB is the signal of an unique ethny development so the spotty (keep this in mind: spotty) traces of BB artefacts settlements cannot be taken as the precise marker of ONE language.<br />Linguistics is and is not a hard science at the same time, it depends on its diverse aspects; the old question of VSO or SVO in Celtic languages is unclear; the mostMoesanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09071027942398975936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63678734868816022042019-12-02T04:13:23.480-08:002019-12-02T04:13:23.480-08:00@ Rob
"Primitive Irish, attested in the Comm...@ Rob<br /><br />"Primitive Irish, attested in the Common Era, is extremely similar to Iron Age celtic from France."<br /><br />Interesting. If a 1000 plus years did not make an extreme difference why would a 1000 years prior have made a big difference ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67250485354752732112019-12-02T02:38:23.801-08:002019-12-02T02:38:23.801-08:00If Vasconic & Iberian are unrelated, then ther...If Vasconic & Iberian are unrelated, then there is even more non-IE languages to account for in the BB oecumene <br /><br />That Celtic LBA-IA remains the mainstay theory amongst linguists. Garrett simply ponders that *perhaps there was linguistic continuum of IE lects*, he did not cement any claims that IE arrived in x, y or z exaclty by 2500 BC, as some misrepresent. <br /><br />Primitive Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17663492568333433462019-12-02T01:33:38.853-08:002019-12-02T01:33:38.853-08:00@Matt
That's just one extreme view, although ...@Matt<br /><br />That's just one extreme view, although possibly not as extreme as "Yamnaya people were genocidal maniacs who loved switching languages" or some stupid shit like that.<br /><br />The truth must be in the middle, like, for instance, Beakers speaking an unknown language from the steppe or not, but with the Celtic and Italic expansions in large part driven by people Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22219056246499498642019-12-02T01:22:01.244-08:002019-12-02T01:22:01.244-08:00@epoch, as you know I mostly agree with your line ...@epoch, as you know I mostly agree with your line of argument here. but ultimately these discussions in comment sections tend to have a looping character.<br /><br />Ultimately proponents of the theory under discussion (roughly: Beakers as an agent bringing a shared ancestor to Basque and Iberian from the steppe or at least Central Europe in the late Copper Age, and then Celtic as an Iron Age Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72003219718042324982019-12-01T18:29:59.109-08:002019-12-01T18:29:59.109-08:00PS I’m reading the Reich/Olalde research paper re:...PS I’m reading the Reich/Olalde research paper re: Beaker’s complete transformation of the UK’s genetic pool https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973796/#!po=0.898204 and it implies that the Neolithic population was much more dark pigmented than the Beaker one. How can we explain the authors’ findings other than to conclude that MNE/LN populations throughout Europe were typically similarAndrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5434114064579593182019-12-01T17:58:55.992-08:002019-12-01T17:58:55.992-08:00@Andrzejewski
I think you should stop trying to l...@Andrzejewski<br /><br />I think you should stop trying to link Indo-European to any Mesolithic hunter-gatherers because it looks really dumb.<br /><br />As far as I know, Anthony linked PIE to Khvalynsk, but that won't work out, because there's no way to directly link Khvalynsk to Corded Ware.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4648624147565607922019-12-01T17:46:35.321-08:002019-12-01T17:46:35.321-08:00We see VSO in Germanic Poetry....We see VSO in Germanic Poetry....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72544791474920420772019-12-01T17:45:27.170-08:002019-12-01T17:45:27.170-08:00@ Andrzejewski
Welsh does not equal Gaulish beca...@ Andrzejewski <br /><br />Welsh does not equal Gaulish because of Insular Celtic VSO wordorder. But VSO does not necessarily point to a non Indo-European Substrate because Basque is not a VSO Language....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44119806182163818772019-12-01T14:40:04.956-08:002019-12-01T14:40:04.956-08:00David Anthony wrote in 2019 that in his opinion PI...David Anthony wrote in 2019 that in his opinion PIE was mainly in its base the language of the EHG tribes with contributions from CHG and even Maykop (=NWC language’s) influences. <br /><br />What do you think, @Davidski?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58451577349339182732019-12-01T14:00:31.942-08:002019-12-01T14:00:31.942-08:00@ epoch
Tartessian doesn’t change much
BBC like an...@ epoch<br />Tartessian doesn’t change much<br />BBC like ancestry sweeps through Italy a millennium after the BBC; Italy is obviously a very different situation to Western Europe; but I'd say Im malleable on the topicRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52041507654689375822019-12-01T13:08:24.664-08:002019-12-01T13:08:24.664-08:00@ Andrze
No. @ Andrze <br />No. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65982080514084972272019-12-01T12:45:35.998-08:002019-12-01T12:45:35.998-08:00@Rob
"Whatever the exact relationship ; BBC ...@Rob<br /><br />"<i>Whatever the exact relationship ; BBC is the cultural progenitor to Vasconic and Iberian .<br />One can’t debate that and try to shift it to ghost populations from earlier</i>"<br /><br />One certainly can. If Iberian and Basque <i>aren't</i> related you have to accept that BBC was the progenitor to two unrelated languages. If they are related but distantly you epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77819583879779836892019-12-01T12:38:46.668-08:002019-12-01T12:38:46.668-08:00@Rob are you implying that PIE was the language of...@Rob are you implying that PIE was the language of the GAC?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90278854670053013892019-12-01T12:37:31.759-08:002019-12-01T12:37:31.759-08:00@ Andrze
In jokes there’s always a truth; so maybe...@ Andrze<br />In jokes there’s always a truth; so maybe you can think about it as more data comes in; but it’s surprising why you don’t understand the importance of certain WHG lineages already Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81160226008914985792019-12-01T12:14:30.676-08:002019-12-01T12:14:30.676-08:00@ epoch
Whatever the exact relationship ; BBC is t...@ epoch<br />Whatever the exact relationship ; BBC is the cultural progenitor to Vasconic and Iberian .<br />One can’t debate that and try to shift it to ghost populations from earlier ; Celtic otoh onvsiy arrived later to Iberia with the documented seriesnofnlater migrations.<br />I’ll let you sort out their exact affinities Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69377547603931367772019-12-01T12:07:52.430-08:002019-12-01T12:07:52.430-08:00@Rob what makes you think that PIE is a WHG langua...@Rob what makes you think that PIE is a WHG language?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19812098261808932932019-12-01T12:05:41.222-08:002019-12-01T12:05:41.222-08:00@ Andrze
“Drivel. PIE is either from EHG or most...@ Andrze <br /><br />“Drivel. PIE is either from EHG or most likely from CHG. Anything else is hogwash”<br /><br />Lol; you take the cake Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10459762756583495862019-12-01T09:00:31.185-08:002019-12-01T09:00:31.185-08:00@Rob
And before you go off again: I read on seve...@Rob <br /><br />And before you go off again: I read on several occasions that Iberian and Basque are *not* considered related, while other who do think there is a relationship do not manage to create a list of cognates.<br /><br />Which in my view shows that if Iberian and Basque are related they are distantly related. In such a case maybe it is the language of BBC. But one needs not to be an epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.com