tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post4977358376397711330..comments2024-03-19T06:26:06.056-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Don't believe everything you read in peer reviewed papersDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31475674620854844142020-07-21T07:59:44.844-07:002020-07-21T07:59:44.844-07:00Simon_W said...
"According to Tomenable'...Simon_W said...<br /><br />"According to Tomenable's fine scale sampling"<br /><br />What was that "fine" sampling? In what calculator? It was commercial?<br />And why he is an authority on that?Prawderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07815395724665845846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7227311557777012020-07-19T00:41:28.660-07:002020-07-19T00:41:28.660-07:00Meanwhile Davidski has given already a clue for th...Meanwhile Davidski has given already a clue for the 'proto'-germanic speakers. Danish LNBA Rise71 is IMO a key sample. It's from the so called "Flint Dagger Period" and is basically a kind of BB/TRB mix. In the G25 North European PCA Rise71 clusters with a bunch of Dutch, Swedes and a Dane.<br /><br />https://www.mupload.nl/img/otkaduwpyks.png<br /><br />weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56130212811080522402020-07-16T01:20:08.685-07:002020-07-16T01:20:08.685-07:00@ambron
"the exception are northeastern Pole...@ambron<br /><br />"the exception are northeastern Poles"<br /><br />I wouldn't be so sure about that. I already mentioned the case of my girlfriend: she's from Tarnow and surrounds, i.e. Podkarpackie, yet she's closest to Russians from Smolensk. And no, she isn't Ukrainian, she speaks Polish, she feels Polish, her maiden name is Polish and 23andme says she's Polish.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47620865277507550522020-07-15T03:13:51.789-07:002020-07-15T03:13:51.789-07:00OK, moderation is going back on.
OK, moderation is going back on.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7346636921820792422020-07-15T01:11:20.081-07:002020-07-15T01:11:20.081-07:00@ Valdimir
You don't know what model I see, y...<br />@ Valdimir<br /><br />You don't know what model I see, you illterate fool<br />Reich's factual distortions are very clear and pervasive; most of which have nothing to with the Balkans (eg BBC). They'd be clear to you too, if you had the cognisance to observe instead of running your constant verbal diarrhoea about topics you don't understand, including topics from your own Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16451732484985001792020-07-14T23:43:08.906-07:002020-07-14T23:43:08.906-07:00@Rob "But the Reich Lab activily distorts and...@Rob "But the Reich Lab activily distorts and misinforms"<br /><br />Because it does not support the " Balkan" hypothesis :)Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60650124419857066012020-07-14T21:29:03.868-07:002020-07-14T21:29:03.868-07:00@ Sam
''But, overall they know how to int...@ Sam<br /><br />''But, overall they know how to interpret data better than most.''<br /><br />Harvard are <i>the</i> worst. <br />You may disagree with other Lab's conclusions, or they may have a poor supplementary info<br />But the Reich Lab activily distorts and misinforms<br />Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47906241349882482612020-07-14T17:41:47.004-07:002020-07-14T17:41:47.004-07:00@Huck Finn
The ethnogenesis of Hungarians is appa...@Huck Finn<br /><br /><i>The ethnogenesis of Hungarians is apparently based on a complex interaction between Oghur Turkic (i.e. Hunnic?) and Uralic speakers. Chuvash as we know is the only remaining Oghur Turkic speaking population, formerly apparently known as Volga Bulgars. Volga Tatars then possibly are in many cases later language shifters into Common Turkic, in the Russian so called Mongol Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64594692434392559852020-07-14T12:33:05.849-07:002020-07-14T12:33:05.849-07:00Dawid, the case concerns not only eastern Germans ...Dawid, the case concerns not only eastern Germans and western Poles, but also Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians. Generally speaking - Western Slavs, because East Germans was earlier Polabian Slavs, and Hungarians were earlier Pannonian Slavs. In this group, the exception are north-eastern Poles, some of whom are indistinguishable from Belarusians, and some from Lithuanians. The second exception is ambronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238484037682022972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26024285242367195042020-07-14T08:28:55.715-07:002020-07-14T08:28:55.715-07:00@Onur Dincer
Of course it would. There is a clear...@Onur Dincer<br /><br /><i>Of course it would. There is a clear separation between the Turkic and Uralic genetic clines: </i><br /><br />I know. I meant that even when other possibilities tested, the East Asian genetic contribution _might_ still proven to be of Turkic origin. Slumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31621863117171002062020-07-14T07:01:25.240-07:002020-07-14T07:01:25.240-07:00Pusan went in chariots drawn by goats. And with th...Pusan went in chariots drawn by goats. And with the goats were buried the horses that participated in the ritual chariot races, this was a sign that this team brought rewards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81378310072269297222020-07-14T06:49:24.824-07:002020-07-14T06:49:24.824-07:00@George
"- The bone pathologies and the chee...@George <br />"- The bone pathologies and the cheekpieces’ use-wear are most consistent with utilization the horses for riding or chariotry.<br />We conclude that the key horsemanship practices were already fully established during the Bronze Age, as horse remains demonstrate evidence for bridling, which can be linked to the utilization of bridles with cheekpieces and soft bits. If these Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27470274568500069842020-07-14T05:20:18.946-07:002020-07-14T05:20:18.946-07:00Slightly off recent discussion:
https://phys.org/...Slightly off recent discussion:<br /><br />https://phys.org/news/2020-07-ancient-evidence-horsemanship-bronze-age.html<br /><br />Early evidence for horse utilization in the Eurasian steppes and the case of the Novoil’inovskiy 2 Cemetery in Kazakhstan<br />AuthorS: Igor V.Chechushkova, Emma R.Usmanovab, Pavel A.Kosintsevc<br />https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X2030211X<brGeorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03313188406392471327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50465779290315563202020-07-14T05:08:18.670-07:002020-07-14T05:08:18.670-07:00@ Matt
Maybe it is because bigger horses needs mo...@ Matt<br /><br />Maybe it is because bigger horses needs more care especially when used for riding and heavy draught work. Ponies and smaller horses needs much less. So maybe it had to do with the economy. Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48425803270960162122020-07-14T03:55:56.981-07:002020-07-14T03:55:56.981-07:00@shaikorth, yeah, and as they have a hypothesis of...@shaikorth, yeah, and as they have a hypothesis of relationship between horses being buried with riders, would be interesting to see if any genetic relationship between horses that mapped with that (e.g. some burials associated with lines of horses and such). As well as obvious overall genetic structure.<br /><br />Early military horse poses some interesting questions - why are chariots still so Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26465872917647702312020-07-14T03:32:59.952-07:002020-07-14T03:32:59.952-07:00@Matt
A nice follow-up would be getting DNA from t...@Matt<br />A nice follow-up would be getting DNA from those horse burials. Within the next few years I'm hoping to see whether there were multiple independent instances of horsemanship forming and if modern breeds descend from a specific centre.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79170500486737058462020-07-14T03:07:26.863-07:002020-07-14T03:07:26.863-07:00OT but relevant to some folks interests : https://...OT but relevant to some folks interests : https://phys.org/news/2020-07-ancient-evidence-horsemanship-bronze-age.htmlMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61730526639316057382020-07-14T02:58:51.528-07:002020-07-14T02:58:51.528-07:00@Shaikorth & ambron
It's not really possi...@Shaikorth & ambron<br /><br />It's not really possible to cleanly split eastern Germans from western Poles, because they have very similar ancient and modern ancestries.<br /><br />Otherwise, it's pretty easy to create all sorts of European clusters that correlate with geography and linguistics, including a northern Slavic cluster.<br /><br />But yeah, you need to include specific Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88722550095609971672020-07-14T02:16:13.199-07:002020-07-14T02:16:13.199-07:00David, note that the common genetic structure of P...David, note that the common genetic structure of Poles, Germans and Swedes, which seems deep, precludes the recent, significant exchange of Polish population.ambronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238484037682022972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35698497120676008922020-07-14T02:12:55.168-07:002020-07-14T02:12:55.168-07:00Adding that the Germans on the previous PCA are EB...Adding that the Germans on the previous PCA are EBC's "Volga Germans" which means many are outside the NW European cluster. Some are still like Germans from Germany though, as in Davidski's PCA.<br /><br />Further picking apart NW Europe on a PCA can also be tricky, putting enough drifted samples gets you something like this:<br /><br />https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74325288411502522932020-07-14T02:03:18.172-07:002020-07-14T02:03:18.172-07:00@Ambron
It's not too difficult to separate tho...@Ambron<br />It's not too difficult to separate those populations even on a broad European PCA. See here.<br /><br />http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QQ-MokKfQ4A/VOsYSAyicVI/AAAAAAAAAhc/9p3Kmro4-OQ/s1600/plot13.gif<br /><br />Separating the Belarusian-Polish-Ukrainian cluster or various Celtic and Germanic NW Europeans OTOH is better done with a PCA focusing on a specific part of Europe.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70508204899741091342020-07-14T01:48:17.402-07:002020-07-14T01:48:17.402-07:00@ Onur and re: "Then how come the Hungarian l...@ Onur and re: "Then how come the Hungarian language we know is a Uralic language with Uralic morphology, grammar and basic vocabulary and Uralic is the biggest contributor to its overall vocabulary among all the known language families?" The ethnogenesis of Hungarians is apparently based on a complex interaction between Oghur Turkic (i.e. Hunnic?) and Uralic speakers. Chuvash as we Queequeghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04033948224040118380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14787309066547050252020-07-14T00:26:49.686-07:002020-07-14T00:26:49.686-07:00Not in this PCA, but in other PCA it is, after rem...Not in this PCA, but in other PCA it is, after removing the Uralic speaking groups and adding more Slavs and also Balts.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18817331261069847402020-07-13T23:52:57.025-07:002020-07-13T23:52:57.025-07:00Dawid, why is it impossible to distinguish Poles f...Dawid, why is it impossible to distinguish Poles from Germans and Swedes on this new PCA?ambronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238484037682022972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54536836025380550992020-07-13T23:04:32.619-07:002020-07-13T23:04:32.619-07:00@Bob Floy
OT, has anyone looked at wikipedia'...@Bob Floy<br /><br /><i>OT, has anyone looked at wikipedia's page about Yamnaya recently?<br />It says "Eleven individuals were determined to belong to haplogroup R1b1a2 (R-V88) or various subclades of it, while one individual was determined to belong to haplogroup I2a2a1b1b." Makes no mention of Z2103. What the hell is going on?</i><br /><br />They should, of course, have written &Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.com