tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5178769585549260490..comments2024-03-28T07:18:02.605-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Three key late comers in prehistoric Greece: steppe ancestry, horses and milletDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46164724387234371572017-09-22T08:48:36.029-07:002017-09-22T08:48:36.029-07:00@Ric Hern
"I wonder when the focus will shif...<a href="http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/09/three-key-late-comers-in-prehistoric.html?showComment=1505456050611#c568703867358732979" rel="nofollow">@Ric Hern</a><br /><br /><i>"I wonder when the focus will shift to the more recent Non-Indo-European Tutsi Genocide committed by Hutu....?"</i><br /><br />Why did you bring up the Rwanda genocide if you could not bother to educate Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5687038673587329792017-09-14T23:14:10.611-07:002017-09-14T23:14:10.611-07:00I wonder when the focus will shift to the more rec...I wonder when the focus will shift to the more recent Non-Indo-European Tutsi Genocide committed by Hutu....?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84931649011839755662017-09-14T13:11:22.675-07:002017-09-14T13:11:22.675-07:00@Ryan
I know this however I fail to see what thi...@Ryan<br /> <br />I know this however I fail to see what this had to do with Horses and Millet....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62187223623623597302017-09-14T09:15:35.309-07:002017-09-14T09:15:35.309-07:00@Ric - Pride and superiority are different. You ca...@Ric - Pride and superiority are different. You can celebrate your own accomplishments without belittling others. That being said, taking pride in a haplogroup is asinine. That's just one line of ancestry among many, and it's not like the Y-DNA accomplished anything. Every person with haplogroup T doesn't get to claim credit for Thomas Jefferson's accomplishments or get crapped onRyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33161074177524611752017-09-13T21:04:57.653-07:002017-09-13T21:04:57.653-07:00Millet and Horses !!!Millet and Horses !!!Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77989792570261719152017-09-13T18:23:51.433-07:002017-09-13T18:23:51.433-07:00Pride and superiority are not the same. Superiorit...Pride and superiority are not the same. Superiority is what caused the holocaust. That cost the lives of countless people because of a " superior racial ideal" that the Nazis implemented.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327139149611352798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46104698836817252682017-09-13T18:17:39.287-07:002017-09-13T18:17:39.287-07:00Pride needs based on something you achieved. Not s...Pride needs based on something you achieved. Not something your ancestors supposedly did fuckin ages ago. Especially the atrocities committed by Indo European's. Only a phycopath would be proud of genocide.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327139149611352798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29237694561159155292017-09-13T18:11:57.924-07:002017-09-13T18:11:57.924-07:00Like what you wrote doesn't even come close to...Like what you wrote doesn't even come close to the point I was trying to make. Epic fail.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327139149611352798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26760270923107736982017-09-13T18:09:57.225-07:002017-09-13T18:09:57.225-07:00@ Ric Hern
You completely misunderstood what I wro...@ Ric Hern<br />You completely misunderstood what I wrote. Completely....Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327139149611352798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80460202181972387942017-09-13T17:54:56.589-07:002017-09-13T17:54:56.589-07:00I wonder how many explorers, record breakers, worl...I wonder how many explorers, record breakers, world champions and Empire builders had inferiority complexes ? <br /><br />At some point in time somebody decided to be better, go faster and longer than the rest. At some point in time others joined him. The more people joined the more threatening and less productive the Superiority Complex started to look....Unfortunately Pride and Superiority Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8908677138688885862017-09-13T16:28:08.315-07:002017-09-13T16:28:08.315-07:00@Rob
From which Culture in the Carpathian Basin ...@Rob <br /><br />From which Culture in the Carpathian Basin did this horse distribution take place do you think ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51905233924623382662017-09-13T16:22:30.816-07:002017-09-13T16:22:30.816-07:00How about some Millet and Horsemeat ?How about some Millet and Horsemeat ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22519272161625233062017-09-13T13:19:23.511-07:002017-09-13T13:19:23.511-07:00It's not like back then if you were in a minor...It's not like back then if you were in a minority Haplogroup they would say woah your J2 Haplogroup you can't join us lol. I do believe that Indo European's were PRIMARILY R1a and R1b. With a minority of J2, G2 and I2.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327139149611352798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23517211379085809832017-09-13T13:06:03.422-07:002017-09-13T13:06:03.422-07:00@Ryan
Yes it is. In Russia it's a problem fo...@Ryan <br /><br />Yes it is. In Russia it's a problem for them as well. It's all how you view it. Some people are proud of it while others are not. Personally I'm pretty neutral to it. They were what they were. And also if you take it that I.E.= Haplogroups R1b and R1a only that leaves a lot of European's without the notion of having conquering invaders as ancestors. I've saidBloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327139149611352798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34600201505379739692017-09-13T11:58:04.140-07:002017-09-13T11:58:04.140-07:00It's interesting the different reactions to th...It's interesting the different reactions to the Steppe origin of IE in India and Europe though. Europeans seem to be a lot more comfortable with the idea of their ancestors as conquering invaders than people in India, but it makes sense given that they were on opposite sides of Europe's colonialism.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2907977343886934892017-09-13T10:43:59.616-07:002017-09-13T10:43:59.616-07:00This is also why you get people coming up with alt...This is also why you get people coming up with alternative theories about the Indo European homeland. No one wants to be labeled as "inferior" and everyone wants to be Indo European. So they make up theories or use existing ones to fit there wants and situation ( Haplogroup) No matter how ridiculous they are. Davidski I'm sure you've seen it. Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327139149611352798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40844097283330315212017-09-13T10:14:47.772-07:002017-09-13T10:14:47.772-07:00Like I said I really believe in the steppe theory....Like I said I really believe in the steppe theory. Unfortunately with it comes a huge " superiority complex " in some people. It's a shame. We can discover ancient history without that stuff. Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327139149611352798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16525857002517937122017-09-13T10:06:29.137-07:002017-09-13T10:06:29.137-07:00@Ryan
That's exactly what I'm trying to s...@Ryan<br /><br />That's exactly what I'm trying to say. I'm not blaming Davidski here. I'm blaming people that take his work out of conte tense. And like you say Ryan they build narratives. It's very annoying when trying to handle and understand science. There's no place for it. Yes it's white nationalist mostly.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327139149611352798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30003890581306763372017-09-13T09:44:38.053-07:002017-09-13T09:44:38.053-07:00@David - Don't discount Richard's point. I...@David - Don't discount Richard's point. I'm not sure you're aware of how often your work gets (erroneously) cited by white nationalists, but it happens a lot. There's no shortage of people trying to build narratives out of stuff like this to aggrandize themselves and marginalize others.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69135786347526780852017-09-13T06:56:12.461-07:002017-09-13T06:56:12.461-07:00I wonder which species of Millet are they referrin...I wonder which species of Millet are they referring to ? I see that the synonym for Foxtail Millet can also be Panicum miliaceum...Are they talking about the most recent classification which will then exclude Foxtail Millet ? Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40096264792054519802017-09-13T06:16:15.660-07:002017-09-13T06:16:15.660-07:00if millet appeared earliest in regions good for ca...if millet appeared earliest in regions good for cattle/horses that might reinforce the idea of infiltration type partial migration hopping from suitable region to suitable regionGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55855942881893530662017-09-13T05:14:13.745-07:002017-09-13T05:14:13.745-07:00@AWood
Thanks man. I appreciate the response. Per...@AWood<br /><br />Thanks man. I appreciate the response. Perhaps I should look at it differently.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327139149611352798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10858136720967276752017-09-13T04:50:18.697-07:002017-09-13T04:50:18.697-07:00Dave
Yes they came from the steppe. And the Carpa...Dave <br />Yes they came from the steppe. And the Carpathian basin seems to have then distributed around Europe, which wa engaged in a exhnage network including Mycenae, Scandinavi, etc Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78503902291962302642017-09-13T03:30:55.011-07:002017-09-13T03:30:55.011-07:00I wonder if they were referring to Foxtail Millet ...I wonder if they were referring to Foxtail Millet instead of Proso Millet ? <br /><br />Because Proso Millet seems to have reached Europe much earlier during the Neolithic while Foxtail Millet seems to have been a Bronze Age arrival...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5624031561408907102017-09-13T02:35:29.592-07:002017-09-13T02:35:29.592-07:00@Alberto
Millet is indeed from Asia, and probably...@Alberto<br /><br />Millet is indeed from Asia, and probably made its way to Europe after Yamnaya, via exchange routes opened up by later steppe groups like Sintashta and Andronovo. Obviously, we have Sintashta and Andronovo genomes, so we know where they originated.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com