tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5220361250790342025..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Population genetics is a state of mindDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger169125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65319281657179313782022-04-20T18:55:49.778-07:002022-04-20T18:55:49.778-07:00@romulus
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First of all, the c...@romulus<br /><br /><br /><br />[CITATION NEEDED]<br /><br />First of all, the claim that Xiongnu were Turkic is a weak, minority position. There are also other weak positions such as that the Xiongnu were Northeast Iranic (the position of Hungarian Iranologist Janos Harmatta) or that they were Mongolic (the position held by all Mongolian scholars and some Western scholars). The scientifically Mert Uzunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00658337218961735076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10443917336580486632022-01-23T08:52:06.401-08:002022-01-23T08:52:06.401-08:00A peer reviewed book published by Routledge claime...A peer reviewed book published by Routledge claimed that my video about ANE was promoting "pseudosacience" yet not one of the authors was a geneticist or a historian nor were the reviewers it seems!Survive the Jivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06884955487416706392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30461858083461581372022-01-19T19:31:49.331-08:002022-01-19T19:31:49.331-08:00Ryan
"there's really only a 4 candidates...Ryan<br /><br />"there's really only a 4 candidates for the origins of pre-proto Indo-European languages - a WHG language, an Anatolian language, a Caucasian language or a Siberian language."<br /><br />I agree, with the proviso that more than one of these candidate groups was almost certainly involved. I have already alluded to one of these: the NW Caucasus family and Kabardian (orGranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497157622414829592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55593304531864806932022-01-19T13:43:42.818-08:002022-01-19T13:43:42.818-08:00@EL - good point@EL - good pointRyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72472603617639514912022-01-19T12:00:32.636-08:002022-01-19T12:00:32.636-08:00@Rob
Is this the Amur river sample from 19kya? And...@Rob<br />Is this the Amur river sample from 19kya? And the admixture would be from Amur to Iran_N (East to West) and not the reverse correct? <br /><br />Lazaridis had Onge IIRC but probably just a rough model. If I may ask, what else do you see? What would Anatolia_HG be composed of for example? <br /><br />@Tigran<br /><br />Ydna R2 it seems. The ENA Iran_N had imo correlates with ANE gamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30753190862057709402022-01-19T06:04:51.394-08:002022-01-19T06:04:51.394-08:00Rob,
"P1 never moved from Eastern Siberia to...Rob,<br /><br />"P1 never moved from Eastern Siberia to Europe, if we want to be specific."<br /><br />Technically, R1a, R1b, R2 are subclades of P1 (haplogroup phylogenies being a kind of nested model). So a majority of living males in Europe are part of macrohaplogroup P1.<br /><br />"Yana is an extinct lineage, representing a temporary foray into sub-Arctic northeastern Siberia Granthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497157622414829592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40558859519326519962022-01-19T03:05:40.903-08:002022-01-19T03:05:40.903-08:00@ David, Andrzejewski and Ryan
Being pedantic her...@ David, Andrzejewski and Ryan<br /><br />Being pedantic here, but the Saami are very unlikely to have ancestry from Pitted Ware. That is because the Pitted Ware people mainly inhabited coastal areas of southern and central-cast Scandinavia, not Lapland. Pitted Ware were also practically extinct and/or fully assimilated by the time the linguistic ancestors of the Saami arrived in northern ELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589343618923330690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79466054709462679502022-01-19T02:54:24.319-08:002022-01-19T02:54:24.319-08:00what uniparentals account for ENA in Iran_N?what uniparentals account for ENA in Iran_N?Tigranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06866291247743881056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5945105527014860792022-01-18T18:48:41.794-08:002022-01-18T18:48:41.794-08:00@Simon Stevin
You're right. These samples are...@Simon Stevin<br /><br />You're right. These samples aren't from the Iron Age.<br /><br />I20509 has some Asian admix. <br /><br />Also, check this out. I reckon this is a Swedish soldier from the 30 Years' War.<br /><br />Distance to: CZE_IA_La_Tene:I20509<br />0.04170159 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ9<br />0.04265008 VK2020_EST_Saaremaa_EVA:VK510<br />0.04335364 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK50<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82190128125052847512022-01-18T18:37:03.067-08:002022-01-18T18:37:03.067-08:00@ Gamerz_J
I'm not 100% sure, but it seems th...@ Gamerz_J<br /><br />I'm not 100% sure, but it seems that something related to Epipaleolithic Amur mixed into Iran (~25%), but (with some of the new Paleo samples in the mix) I'm not seeing a big need for any east Eurasian in CHG. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82685472823064727582022-01-18T18:29:52.878-08:002022-01-18T18:29:52.878-08:00Anyone else catch a glimpse of these new samples i...Anyone else catch a glimpse of these new samples in the Patterson paper? Two stand out to me. The first is I20509. He is labeled "La Tene," and hails from an Iron Age gravesite in Bohemia, Czechia (400-200 BCE); he has Y-DNA N1a-L550 and mtDNA H7b. This sample doesn't appear to be contaminated, with a coverage of 245k SNPs. The next sample is I16184, another N1a sample (Y-DNA: Simon Stevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215327961706871546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49603410642282807582022-01-18T15:25:08.412-08:002022-01-18T15:25:08.412-08:00@Matt
G25 coordinates for the six groups now adde...@Matt<br /><br />G25 coordinates for the six groups now added at rear of document.<br /><br />https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bRI3ujhjmxitdgSOszfACM8iBI-lOgHCb60Qc4jM8Vw/edit?usp=sharingBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00140722878093942226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23341914239211171872022-01-18T13:21:50.467-08:002022-01-18T13:21:50.467-08:00Any thoughts on R1b-M222 showing up in a La Tene b...Any thoughts on R1b-M222 showing up in a La Tene burial from France btw? Late entry into Ireland or...?Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4643243281529140232022-01-18T13:14:09.924-08:002022-01-18T13:14:09.924-08:00@ Grant
''Nevertheless, at some point, on...@ Grant<br /><br />''Nevertheless, at some point, one or more subclades of P1 (M45) did begin to move from Eastern Siberia towards Eastern Europe.''<br /><br /><br />Well no, P1 never moved from Eastern Siberia to Europe, if we want to be specific. <br />Yana is an extinct lineage, representing a temporary foray into sub-Arctic northeastern Siberia during a climactic optimum (~ Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41213335612682261342022-01-18T13:11:21.464-08:002022-01-18T13:11:21.464-08:00@Rob
can you check if ENA in CHG is causing the A...@Rob<br /><br />can you check if ENA in CHG is causing the ANE effect? And could perhaps ENA have some type of ANE or CHG-related? I know most papers argue against that but I guess it would be fun to check.<br /><br />@Vasistha<br /><br />What do you have as EE sources in Iran_N?gamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40675794188174765222022-01-18T12:16:24.499-08:002022-01-18T12:16:24.499-08:00@Matt
Thank you very much. Indeed, it is very int...@Matt<br /><br />Thank you very much. Indeed, it is very interesting, especially since i don't know how to do it. :)<br /><br />What struck me is that Knoviz and Hallstatt distribution also seem to be included in the Modern French range and i wonder why. <br /><br />According to you, does it means Modern French Ancestry trace back to Czechia rather than to local continuity or is that J.S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02333765573671985337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8824152098555563462022-01-18T11:21:52.931-08:002022-01-18T11:21:52.931-08:00@Sgt
It's all bullshit. Also known as calcula...@Sgt<br /><br />It's all bullshit. Also known as calculator effect.<br /><br />I can't believe anyone takes that seriously, or ever did.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87615357622174470402022-01-18T10:51:41.347-08:002022-01-18T10:51:41.347-08:00In my copy of A Genetic Atlas of Human Admixture.....In my copy of A Genetic Atlas of Human Admixture...<br />Fig. 3. Multiway admixture in Eastern Europe: Has an red arrow labelled Southern (South Europe and West Asia).<br /><br />In one of my own Admixtures of 8 Poles I come up with the following ~58% Belorussian-Lithuanian modal; 12.25% GBR-Orcadian modal; 21.61% "Southern" of which 13.25% leans Sardinian/Basque; 1.27% NE Asian with Sgthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16100985760343933246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70439099694020258882022-01-18T10:06:38.332-08:002022-01-18T10:06:38.332-08:00@Andre, @David - I do kind of assume that the subs...@Andre, @David - I do kind of assume that the substrate in Sami is a WHG language (via PWC).<br /><br />"If we go back to the Paleolithic, then PIE would've had a myriad of "ancestors" from across space and time. It's impossible to untangle this process that far back and there's no way to prove that the most important pre-PIE language lived in Siberia."<br /><br />Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67056579390754452052022-01-18T09:19:21.586-08:002022-01-18T09:19:21.586-08:00(Couple more graphs showing spread of present day ...(Couple more graphs showing spread of present day populations to show how larger countries with larger samples in G25 are a bit more diverse - https://imgur.com/a/3zZeynS).Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32139237567975605932022-01-18T08:45:18.973-08:002022-01-18T08:45:18.973-08:00@Rob,
I'll respond to your comment later. It ...@Rob,<br /><br />I'll respond to your comment later. It is the first good critical comment cutting at the heart of the claim of my video. So I need time to create a response.Genos Historiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00001227606140124399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4175755773225157082022-01-18T08:44:05.300-08:002022-01-18T08:44:05.300-08:00@Andrze,
Thank you good sir. I did do all the ani...@Andrze,<br /><br />Thank you good sir. I did do all the animation myself. I found a clever way to do it without needing any real artistic skills. ;). I thank modern software apps.<br /><br />Yeah, it does look like Bell Beaker basically totally replaced/kicked out Corded Ware in central Europe. I would like to see what others here think of that idea.<br /><br />Whatever the case, Bell beaker Genos Historiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00001227606140124399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24182220251274102652022-01-18T08:38:27.970-08:002022-01-18T08:38:27.970-08:00@J.S. this might interest you; to visualise the va...@J.S. this might interest you; to visualise the variation in Yamnaya level in La_Tene vs other cultures, I made a set of plots showing these, where the X axis shows Yamnaya level and the Y axis shows the % of samples in the population label with that level.<br /><br />Here: https://imgur.com/a/4UJ90CJ<br /><br />Particularly comparing La_Tene vs present day populations, the distributions is very Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65056427150835948812022-01-18T06:48:24.910-08:002022-01-18T06:48:24.910-08:00@Rob, Davidski
What I said was:
"The real q...@Rob, Davidski<br /><br />What I said was:<br /><br />"The real question about ANE and subclades of Y-DNA macrohaplogroup P1 (P-M45), <i>such as R1a and R1b,</i> moving from E. Siberia to the westernmost Steppe areas is not "if" but "when"."<br /><br />OK, using R1a and R1b as an example was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Nevertheless, at some point, one or more subcladesGranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497157622414829592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37412359221717328462022-01-17T23:59:09.687-08:002022-01-17T23:59:09.687-08:00There aren't any plausible linguistic links be...There aren't any plausible linguistic links between Saami and WHG or GAC.<br /><br />Saami probably have hunter-gatherer ancestry from PWC, which was a very ancient mixture between WHG and EHG, with more recent admixture from TRB.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com