tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5414092918548456289..comments2024-03-28T03:42:11.788-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Looking forward to a post-Covid worldDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger427125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9572228197191793822021-03-12T13:31:41.302-08:002021-03-12T13:31:41.302-08:00I thought you would want to address this in a new ...I thought you would want to address this in a new Eurogenes Blog post. I am surprised you have not done so yet. Maybe I am exaggerating its importance?<br /><br />It seems to me that Reich saying there are cousin relationships (obviously not first cousins) between Corded Ware and Yamnaya means that we should expect R1a-M417 and R1b-L51 results in Yamnaya sometime soon. Rich S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16189251350370584338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64063679540583777182021-03-07T11:09:33.723-08:002021-03-07T11:09:33.723-08:00Probably by the time you see this you will have al...Probably by the time you see this you will have already watched the relevant part of the Reich video, but here is my transcription of what he said, with the help of closed captioning, starting at about 46:17:<br /><br />"So we now have data that's new data that is led by Harald Ringbauer where we can actually really ask the question is it the Yamnaya or some people very very close to Rich S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16189251350370584338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17397309329676439322021-03-07T05:48:33.651-08:002021-03-07T05:48:33.651-08:00I am paraphrasing, but Reich says the question of ...I am paraphrasing, but Reich says the question of whether Corded Ware came from Yamnaya or from some other, related steppe population has been answered because they can now see cousin relationships between the two populations within a few generations. At about 46:50 he shows a table that illustrates the relationships. Seems to me that if he is right, this is HUGE news. Rich S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16189251350370584338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57268384251699300922021-03-06T13:06:33.564-08:002021-03-06T13:06:33.564-08:00@Rich
I can't watch the clip right now. What ...@Rich<br /><br />I can't watch the clip right now. What does he say exactly?<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83859548611987612082021-03-06T06:26:59.443-08:002021-03-06T06:26:59.443-08:00I wasn't sure where to put this comment, but t...I wasn't sure where to put this comment, but this thread is relevant, so here goes.<br /><br />Have you seen David Reich's new lecture from 3 March 2021,"Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past"?<br /><br />About 45:00 in and thereafter, he shows that his lab is now able to chart distant cousin relationships between ancient Yamnaya individuals and Corded Ware Rich S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16189251350370584338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89911035446416673492021-01-12T22:04:08.138-08:002021-01-12T22:04:08.138-08:00Gotcha, thanks David.
I actually finally got shin...Gotcha, thanks David.<br /><br />I actually finally got shiny tools graph running with the ancestrymap data... wow, this is a really feature-rich suite and I'm just sort of messing around blindly with everything. They also generate FST tables by default (or I think it's "EST", the pairwise stats that supposedly "corrects" the deficiencies of FST)<br /><br />Hopefully K33https://www.blogger.com/profile/06580730647189571414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72915912278652324692021-01-12T19:09:36.176-08:002021-01-12T19:09:36.176-08:00You can use PLINK or the much faster PLINK2 in Win...You can use PLINK or the much faster PLINK2 in Windows. So you don't need to work in Linux.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57493738325270311882021-01-12T18:51:44.367-08:002021-01-12T18:51:44.367-08:00Thanks for the advice. I don't have Linux tho ...Thanks for the advice. I don't have Linux tho wouldn't I need to convert my ancestrymap dataset to PLINK using Linux convertf function? I just feel like I'm close with the default setup but can't figure out what this error message is telling me.<br /><br />I have a pretty new PC although it is a laptop. Specs:<br />AMD Ryzen 3 3200U 2.6Ghz dual-core/4 thread processor<br />16 GB K33https://www.blogger.com/profile/06580730647189571414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71214602386706126502021-01-12T18:14:10.961-08:002021-01-12T18:14:10.961-08:00If you want the run_shiny_admixtools() function to...If you want the run_shiny_admixtools() function to work, and you don't have a powerful computer, try this...<br /><br />Create a PLINK data file (named data) with the populations/samples of interest and generate f2 stats from it, like this...<br /><br />prefix = "C:/Users/Davidski/Documents/Admixtools2/data"<br /><br />my_f2_dir = "C:/Users/Davidski/Documents/Admixtools2/Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70537431437220189012021-01-12T18:01:08.678-08:002021-01-12T18:01:08.678-08:00David I'm trying to get the AdmixTools2 Shiny ...David I'm trying to get the AdmixTools2 Shiny web app to work, I have ANCESTRYMAP files with a greatly reduced set of pops in the IND file to test this--just 9 populations and 14 total samples. I uploaded the .ind file to the web app and the samples appear on the screen. Then I extract the.geno file and it creates folders on my disk with the "ap.rds" and "f2.rds" K33https://www.blogger.com/profile/06580730647189571414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40138018696069414432021-01-04T02:35:19.660-08:002021-01-04T02:35:19.660-08:00@DragonHermit
"Tatar L283 does not come from ...@DragonHermit<br />"Tatar L283 does not come from a "recent" subclade. That subclade is from 2500 years ago, while most L283 come from 4500 years ago."<br /><br />You are deeply mistaken. You give the time of the appearance of the mutation for the time of propagation, while the time of propagation was only 1200 years ago, when it came to the Volga. And the time of appearance Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18643530892698017652020-12-30T17:38:02.500-08:002020-12-30T17:38:02.500-08:00Mokrin cemetery
R1b-Z2103 : steppe
I2a1b- carpa...Mokrin cemetery <br /><br />R1b-Z2103 : steppe <br />I2a1b- carpathian <br />I2a1a- Alpine <br />I2a2a1a- NW Europe <br />J2b2: looks ECE <br /><br />I didn’t see a PCA or genome -wide analysis in the paper; but southern affinities seem minor & indirect Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84759603634967746932020-12-30T14:25:18.073-08:002020-12-30T14:25:18.073-08:00@ East Pole
''There is a new map showing ...@ East Pole<br /><br />''There is a new map showing IE migrations at Wikipedia:<br /><br />https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Indo-European_expansions.jpg''<br /><br />What an eye -sore Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44957266404790023212020-12-30T02:01:27.995-08:002020-12-30T02:01:27.995-08:00@EastPole
"I don’t think fir-cones can be ea...@EastPole<br /><br />"I don’t think fir-cones can be eaten, Budini probably were collecting naturally grown on fir trees hop cones for the production of mead or beer."<br /><br />Or...? https://www.atlasobscura.com/foods/pine-cone-preservesAngantyrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10737729155560807904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83300335280473342232020-12-30T01:35:26.551-08:002020-12-30T01:35:26.551-08:00@Sam Elliott
In Mokrin it came from the south, t...@Sam Elliott <br /><br />In Mokrin it came from the south, there can be no two opinions. Mokrin is unambiguously and without options a culture that came from the south.<br /><br />I did not say that they were never in the same place, not true, I claim that their distribution has nothing to do with each other. Look at the map, the Yamnaya culture passed through this territory, so here they could Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45813702123417156262020-12-29T19:30:19.593-08:002020-12-29T19:30:19.593-08:00You are correct that the J-Y12000 branch of J-L283...You are correct that the J-Y12000 branch of J-L283 is relatively young and represents a movement from Central Europe to the east into Russia.<br /><br />Sample I4331 is from the Dalmatian highlands in what is today southern Croatia. Of course this sample was not ethnically Croatian, it’s 3600 years old. Not sure why there is a resistance to referring to the sample as “Croatian”, since that’s Sam Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832009269329200785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84675320706426304082020-12-29T15:52:50.471-08:002020-12-29T15:52:50.471-08:00Interesting things one can find in the internet:
...Interesting things one can find in the internet:<br /><br />“There is evidence of hops cultivated by the Babylonians in 4,000 B.C. and that they prepared a drink called Sikar with it. It is also believed to be one of the ingredients in the making of Soma, a hallucinogenic drink used in a ritual way in ancient India.”<br /><br />https://ibizabeercompany.com/en/beer-culture/humulus-lupulus-2/<br />EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69223734357996919462020-12-29T12:23:17.247-08:002020-12-29T12:23:17.247-08:00Video on Kievan Rus' DNA on my Youtube channel...Video on Kievan Rus' DNA on my Youtube channel. <br /><br />"Ancient DNA from Kievan Rus' shows Scandinavian admixture"<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh3wxl4Feko&ab_channel=ThePopulationGeneticsChannel<br /><br />I'm sure some of you have opinions on this. I definitly got some of the history wrong. <br /><br />The "Viking" DNA from Russia and Poland, is Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42249906577263264382020-12-29T06:00:15.786-08:002020-12-29T06:00:15.786-08:00@DragonHermit
Yes, this is a recent admixture on...@DragonHermit <br /><br />Yes, this is a recent admixture on a time scale. What has Moldova to do with it?<br /><br />You are confusing the Balkans with the Steppe, for the Balkans 300 kilometers between these samples is a huge distance. This is all entirely mountains, the first sample is essentially in Hungary, the second in Bosnia or Montenegro on the sea coast, passing the state borders a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89581886326368685612020-12-29T05:41:15.510-08:002020-12-29T05:41:15.510-08:00In reference to my post above about “Kalasha holid...In reference to my post above about “Kalasha holidays Chaomos may come from Haoma/Soma”. Interesting article about hops:<br /><br /> “There are data attesting the use of hop cones, 3-5 thousand years BC, in the preparation of drinks by the Babylonians, Egyptians, etc. (Linke and Rebl, 1958). Indo-European populations used hops in brewing beer since ancient times.”<br /><br />http://EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70880433753462903622020-12-29T01:36:03.339-08:002020-12-29T01:36:03.339-08:00@Archi
Tatar L283 does not come from a "rece...@Archi<br /><br />Tatar L283 does not come from a "recent" subclade. That subclade is from 2500 years ago, while most L283 come from 4500 years ago. And the Romanian/Moldovan border is north of the Black Sea, which matches up with this too.<br /><br />You did not "catch" anything. Croatia is a tiny place compare to places like France, Germany and Poland, let alone Russia, and DragonHermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507168541968668662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26488482859270083552020-12-27T20:17:29.747-08:002020-12-27T20:17:29.747-08:00@David
Hey, I'm updating my Viking samples no...@David<br /><br />Hey, I'm updating my Viking samples now with the new coords. I noticed you've got VK284 marked as a Langeland sample; it's actually from Sealand. Everything else looks good!Michalis Moriopouloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874041332836626074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41811765030163528792020-12-27T17:03:32.824-08:002020-12-27T17:03:32.824-08:00Those Bell Beaker arrows pointing upwards from sou...Those Bell Beaker arrows pointing upwards from southern France and Iberia hurt my brain.<br /><br />The Andronovo arrow is all kinds of incorrect too, their expanse was more significant than that, especially if you count deriviations such as Karasuk.Copper Axehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18151330482350752712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79734436036615048182020-12-27T17:00:42.337-08:002020-12-27T17:00:42.337-08:00@DragonHermit
"You obviously have some agenda...@DragonHermit<br />"You obviously have some agenda, since your comments are completely asinine." <br /><br />Your comment is completely asinine. You distort the data about Croatia and about Russia, you completely ignore the times, you were caught dishonest. I wrote to you that the Tatars have a completely young subclade that came recently from Europe, which does not belong to the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54655552485618709052020-12-27T16:18:17.204-08:002020-12-27T16:18:17.204-08:00@Archi
You obviously have some agenda, since you...@Archi <br /><br />You obviously have some agenda, since your comments are completely asinine. Croatia is tiny compared to the USSR. If you can't group those together geographically, then what about Germany, France, Italy, Scandinavia, which are multiple times bigger than Croatia? <br /><br />These locations all match with pre/Proto-Illyrian civilizations, and are both high in R1b-Z2103/DragonHermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507168541968668662noreply@blogger.com