tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5747994351577820471..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Hungarian Yamnaya > Bell Beakers?Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger248125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59956449387838829052021-12-12T01:28:44.576-08:002021-12-12T01:28:44.576-08:00I have an X2c1 paternal side grandmother and on th...I have an X2c1 paternal side grandmother and on the DNA portal I am getting percentages for the Baltic region and Neolithic Ireland. Everyone seems to look at the West for early migration to Britain. My husband is V15a via an Irish mother and that was an early line from Scandinavia as well.Lindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10845496114352625522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33044993080615305262019-02-17T07:11:14.189-08:002019-02-17T07:11:14.189-08:00I want to use this opportunity to appreciate Dr Ek...I want to use this opportunity to appreciate Dr Ekpen for the good work that his doing around the world, many of you must have ahead of him and what his doing. The reason why I'm appreciating him on this site is because maybe someone out there is facing the same challenge and he/she don't know what to do next to fix the issue, Dr Ekpen is a great spell caster and friendly also, if you Jeroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00407059276676088427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82854801826942804542019-01-26T01:52:29.175-08:002019-01-26T01:52:29.175-08:00TO Diego Arroyo de Lagasca Encinas:
Re: your comme...TO Diego Arroyo de Lagasca Encinas:<br />Re: your comments and questions about the Basques and their language<br /><br />I thought you might be interested in reading some of my papers on www.academia.be:<br />1. Basic views:<br />https://www.academia.edu/25048339/The_Grandfather_the_Uncle_and_the_Cousin_of_Proto-Indo-European_-_Revised_22.12.2018<br />2. Application to Celtic genesis<br />https:/Ed. Selleslaghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10266905921471326934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5174060630404145842019-01-19T12:11:31.089-08:002019-01-19T12:11:31.089-08:00The Ancient Iberian Genomes study, PRJEB29189 Y-DN...The Ancient Iberian Genomes study, PRJEB29189 Y-DNA haplogroups are as follows:<br /><a href="https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB29189" rel="nofollow">ENA Study PRJEB29189</a><br /><br /><b>LU339 "partial" <a href="https://yfull.com/tree/I-Y3749/" rel="nofollow">I-Y3749</a> <br />AMM080/Y4661/FGC7133+ <br />FGC7139/Y3749-<br /><br />LD270 "partial" <a href="https://Open Genomeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207443325849433636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50124296834382269992019-01-16T09:37:23.154-08:002019-01-16T09:37:23.154-08:00"That's kind of exactly what archaeology ..."That's kind of exactly what archaeology shows. Bell beaker's male burials have lots weaponry. Archaeologist believe they represent actual warriors. Their warrior burial traditions were passed down from their Yamnaya-like PC Steppe ancestors." No, that isn't what archeology shows, not in western Europe. As I mentioned, the Iberian Bell Beaker folk weren't even bronze Vapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08006606734464841490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7250880511890393212019-01-16T06:20:39.680-08:002019-01-16T06:20:39.680-08:00It is strange that in modern europe brachycephaly ...It is strange that in modern europe brachycephaly peaks in the balkans, and the tallest brachycephals are from yugoslavia. Wonder how they relate to the beakers.Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83621107729641098782019-01-16T05:20:50.929-08:002019-01-16T05:20:50.929-08:00@mono
I can't believe it took me this long to...@mono<br /><br />I can't believe it took me this long to read Garrett and Chang. I got hung up in the Ringe model. But the Chang tree lines up almost flawlessly with our archaeogenetic evidence. Wow.<br /><br />I'm now leaning toward the Dutch/Rhenish hypothesis. Let's see what happens.Synomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02168979109558144980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74293944819586356212019-01-16T02:57:54.556-08:002019-01-16T02:57:54.556-08:00@ Dragos- "Because that's the truth. Ther...<br /><br />@ Dragos- "Because that's the truth. There is only one BB culture, and its from the East. <br />The pre-Beaker Iberian cultures had idols, figurines, enclosures, ivory, etc. Doesn't seem very bell -beaker to me"<br /><br />There is only one BB culture but with different groups (pottery, burial customs). The cultural and genetic relationships between these groups are Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27968494811701952592019-01-16T02:54:28.632-08:002019-01-16T02:54:28.632-08:00ADenseWood:
“Khvalynsk as an origin for P312+ wou...ADenseWood:<br /><br />“Khvalynsk as an origin for P312+ would be a bit of a stretch based on all available data”..<br /><br />I never said that...<br /><br />L51 is Repin culture 4000BC. P311/12 is later “somewhere” west of that. The resolution sucks.Bogdanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07542017432406239476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74608827864733128342019-01-16T02:48:57.756-08:002019-01-16T02:48:57.756-08:00@mono
Thanks. I think you're onto something t...@mono<br /><br />Thanks. I think you're onto something there.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89704070271120276912019-01-16T02:25:07.608-08:002019-01-16T02:25:07.608-08:00
@Davisdki
By the way, thank you for letting me p...<br />@Davisdki<br /><br />By the way, thank you for letting me participate in this forum, because I suppose you know I have a perpetual ban on anthrogenica. <br /><br />For all the fans of the genetic history of Europe it is essential to keep open blogs like this where you can freely express what everyone thinks, as long as it is respectful of the contrary opinions. Only in this way will we be Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34893036538296343652019-01-16T02:16:33.930-08:002019-01-16T02:16:33.930-08:00@ Diego
''I do not know how Kristiansen c...@ Diego<br /><br />''I do not know how Kristiansen continues to talk about violent conquests when no archaeological evidence has been found throughout Western Europe.''<br /><br />There's plenty of evidence for this. But it's certainly not limited to Beaker, or Iberia. It happened since at least the Mesolithic, and every culture practiced violence in some way, What Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4436527420191292842019-01-16T02:12:08.061-08:002019-01-16T02:12:08.061-08:00@ Sam
''Why you say there is only one Be...@ Sam <br /><br />''Why you say there is only one Beaker culture? .''<br /><br />Because that's the truth. There is only one BB culture, and its from the East. <br />The pre-Beaker Iberian cultures had idols, figurines, enclosures, ivory, etc. Doesn't seem very bell -beaker to me. Dragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78842171410736975662019-01-16T02:05:46.281-08:002019-01-16T02:05:46.281-08:00@Diego,
"I do not know how Kristiansen contin...@Diego,<br />"I do not know how Kristiansen continues to talk about violent conquests when no archaeological evidence has been found throughout Western Europe.Those theories of violence only serve to say that the Spaniards, as we are mostly descendants of those warriors of the steppes, inherit from them the violent behaviors and the expansionist mentality (conquest of America etc ...)"<Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45893914560183820942019-01-16T02:05:36.102-08:002019-01-16T02:05:36.102-08:00When I look at the scatterplots of Eurogenes West-...When I look at the scatterplots of Eurogenes West-Eurasian PCA, my impression is that BB-Netherlands cannot be discriminated from BB_Britain.<br />This may explain why some modern Duch samples are strongly attracted by modern British samples.<br />My impression is reinforced when I do a supervised classification with Random forests.huijbregtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15146303681173955347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40563274152849580972019-01-16T01:58:19.261-08:002019-01-16T01:58:19.261-08:00Great post from Davidski. Yes it makes a lot off s...Great post from Davidski. Yes it makes a lot off sense that the proto Bell Beaker R1b moved deep into Europe with CWC.<br />Here is a phylogenetic tree of IE languages from Chang et al.<br /><br />https://i.pinimg.com/originals/95/d3/84/95d38442074c730a5b4e600662ae9148.jpg<br /><br />As one can see Celto-Italic, Germanic, Balto-Slavic and Indo Iranian form their own node which can be easily monohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05623176600331963689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-699913249261096142019-01-16T01:54:19.769-08:002019-01-16T01:54:19.769-08:00AWood:
“Khvalynsk as an origin for P312+ would be...AWood:<br /><br />“Khvalynsk as an origin for P312+ would be a bit of a stretch”.<br /><br />Khvalynsk / Samara region in Repin culture is most likely origination of L51. I never said it was origination of P311/12 which is more Germanic tribe, but that is so broad it it is meaningless. That is more or less my point. The resolution on this stuff still sucks. It’s frustrating.Bogdanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07542017432406239476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77663821204252886622019-01-16T01:46:06.744-08:002019-01-16T01:46:06.744-08:00@ Diego
''The languages in Spain are a ...@ Diego<br /><br />''The languages in Spain are a damn puzzle. There is only one possibility that there would be a Vasconic substratum in other languages of Europe- if Basque was a Neolithic language linked to the expansion of agriculture from Anatolia and that is impossible to prove (at least for the time being).''<br /><br />Yes this is quite some mystery, because there wereDragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137547950290035805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5997210615308625522019-01-16T00:35:29.911-08:002019-01-16T00:35:29.911-08:00I do not know how Kristiansen continues to talk ab...<br />I do not know how Kristiansen continues to talk about violent conquests when no archaeological evidence has been found throughout Western Europe.Those theories of violence only serve to say that the Spaniards, as we are mostly descendants of those warriors of the steppes, inherit from them the violent behaviors and the expansionist mentality (conquest of America etc ...)<br /><br />The Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3109681779300128452019-01-15T23:08:35.852-08:002019-01-15T23:08:35.852-08:00Sorry, meant 'overestimated'. :)Sorry, meant 'overestimated'. :)John Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454926902513067703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24731627420213005262019-01-15T23:05:28.320-08:002019-01-15T23:05:28.320-08:00Great work, David.
Hopefully, you've cleared ...Great work, David.<br /><br />Hopefully, you've cleared up one great big mystery that's perplexed and fascinated historians and scholars of all stripes for centuries - namely, the (true and real) ultimate ethnic origin of the British.<br /><br />The ramifications of this work cannot be underestimated enough.John Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454926902513067703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54969130481237831662019-01-15T20:42:19.317-08:002019-01-15T20:42:19.317-08:00@ Davidski
Thanks. That will be helpful. @ Davidski <br /><br />Thanks. That will be helpful. Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73971250385768088192019-01-15T20:27:29.138-08:002019-01-15T20:27:29.138-08:00@All
I've got more, indirect, but difficult t...@All<br /><br />I've got more, indirect, but difficult to brush off, evidence that North Sea Corded Ware/Single Grave populations were rich in R1b-P312 and may have lacked R1a.<br /><br />But considering the number of comments here, I'll have to do a new blog post about that.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76576497894187069762019-01-15T19:48:14.961-08:002019-01-15T19:48:14.961-08:00If Celtic have a Vasconic substratum shouldn't...If Celtic have a Vasconic substratum shouldn't all Languages originating in the Northwest Block (R1b P312) share this Vasconic substratum ? Or was Vasconic spread as far as Hallstatt or even Hungary ? If the Bell Beaker people replaced more than 90 % of people in Britain and Ireland how precisely did those 10% manage to leave a trace of their Language ? Or did GAC/TRB also speak Vasconic ? Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76062156630116051912019-01-15T14:56:36.815-08:002019-01-15T14:56:36.815-08:00@Vape,
"But I'm sure some folk are too i...@Vape,<br /><br />"But I'm sure some folk are too in love with the idea of Yamnay warriors sweeping westward to the Atlantic to seriously consider the possibility."<br /><br />That's kind of exactly what archaeology shows. Bell beaker's male burials have lots weaponry. Archaeologist believe they represent actual warriors. Their warrior burial traditions were passed down fromSamuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.com