tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post5891862168414214069..comments2024-03-19T01:54:52.313-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Viking world open analysis and discussion threadDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger318125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74451681231222615782021-01-28T13:25:47.825-08:002021-01-28T13:25:47.825-08:00How do you know Yaroslav the Wise’s admixture? Is ...How do you know Yaroslav the Wise’s admixture? Is his sample included? Could you tell me how you analyzed this? It’s not that I don’t believe you, I’m just new to this and would like to learn some basics. Thanks!Alexeihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13084519754391354404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1905396260115768522020-12-18T20:57:19.216-08:002020-12-18T20:57:19.216-08:00@All
The Viking world samples are now based on th...@All<br /><br />The Viking world samples are now based on the official genotypes from the paper in the Global25 and Celtic vs Germanic datasheets.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66759635699055512132020-12-05T15:26:36.767-08:002020-12-05T15:26:36.767-08:00@Davidski
Oh, I'm quite aware it is, but from...@Davidski<br /><br />Oh, I'm quite aware it is, but from what my friend showed me, they do have the correct Y-haplotype of the historical people that they try to "match" with people. One that caught my eye was Gleb (I2a)(VK542), since he is a part of the Rurikid lineage, which is presumed to be Scandinavian, specifically Swedish of origin. I wondered if Yaroslav I (Wise) was Alexeihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13084519754391354404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88770377995088653322020-12-01T19:17:09.132-08:002020-12-01T19:17:09.132-08:00@Alexei
MyTrueAncestry is total garbage.
Don'...@Alexei<br /><br />MyTrueAncestry is total garbage.<br /><br />Don't discuss it here.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80399860001005044142020-12-01T18:02:50.245-08:002020-12-01T18:02:50.245-08:00@Archi
The Ruriks were indeed Slavs then! I'...@Archi <br /><br />The Ruriks were indeed Slavs then! I'm new to this, but was Yaroslav the Wise included in this sample set? I know Gleb is included from TrueAncestry. Did you use the R program that assigns an ethnicity approximation to the autosomal DNA available from the Rurikids? This could be a monumental fine...Thanks a lot!Alexeihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13084519754391354404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-583159725290141422020-10-16T12:10:37.174-07:002020-10-16T12:10:37.174-07:00Following may be of interest Vahaduo if you're...Following may be of interest Vahaduo if you're following the thread, related to the discussions on Fst:<br /><br />A while ago I posted in some comments on here, that applying the following procedures in PAST3 to an Fst matrix transforms it into a dimensional space that roughly resembles the same results we see in Global25 etc: Ordination->Principle Coordinates Analysis->Settings:User Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88484908376961439452020-10-14T03:35:51.505-07:002020-10-14T03:35:51.505-07:00@ Old Europe
''The western european farme...@ Old Europe<br /><br />''The western european farmers that created megalithism were predominantly cardial people that pushed into central western France from mediterranean France and north western Italy. There they entered in contact with local WHG and developed megalithism that later on extend eastwards with the trail''<br /><br />Well, that's counter to the radiometric Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16987765260223601992020-10-14T00:28:46.168-07:002020-10-14T00:28:46.168-07:00
@ Rob
The relation between Italy and megalithis...<br />@ Rob <br /><br />The relation between Italy and megalithism goes the other way round.<br />The western european farmers that created megalithism were predominantly cardial people that pushed into central western France from mediterranean France and north western Italy. There they entered in contact with local WHG and developed megalithism that later on extend eastwards with the trail<br />old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17903580615267048702020-10-13T23:31:07.894-07:002020-10-13T23:31:07.894-07:00@vahaduo
Thank you for the explanation. A blog wi...@vahaduo<br /><br />Thank you for the explanation. A blog with examples of how to use your tools would be nice. Looking forward to it.Garvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08917487267933584193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17111911521547152532020-10-13T23:05:39.209-07:002020-10-13T23:05:39.209-07:00@ Sam
No, Italy isn;t really a Megalithic provinc...@ Sam<br /><br />No, Italy isn;t really a Megalithic province (aside from Sardinia)<br />Fig 5 here shows distribution and chronology of spread https://www.pnas.org/content/116/9/3460<br /><br />Yes TRB & GAC seem to part of a similar gene pool, although some early TRB seems linked to Danubian -LBK, whilst later the western flow increases. The other thing i had not mentioend is one important Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49516580699285903952020-10-13T20:54:16.060-07:002020-10-13T20:54:16.060-07:00@Davidski
Do I understand correctly that here scie...@Davidski<br />Do I understand correctly that here scientists have caught the moment and place of “mongolization” of part of haplogroup Q, originally former ANE?<br /><br />https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.12.336628v1<br />Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1728606215102004792020-10-13T16:11:10.399-07:002020-10-13T16:11:10.399-07:00Were Megalith burials also used in Italy?
The I2...Were Megalith burials also used in Italy? <br /><br />The I2a2a1b2 in GAC as you know is the same I2a2a1b2 in Mesolithic Serbia. So, GAC must have gotten it from Central European hunter gatherers probably in Poland. This doesn't refute the idea they are descendants of TRB. As, it seems it was common for Western European farmers, and their descendants, to adopt local hunter gatherer Y DNA. <brSamuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20134212527473949402020-10-13T06:44:16.083-07:002020-10-13T06:44:16.083-07:00@Vahaduo
Could it be possible to create "part...@Vahaduo<br />Could it be possible to create "partitioned" calculations like GEDmatch oracles? Say I want to see what 50/50 mix works for the target population, the calculator would output the combination with the shortest distance to the target. The size of a partition could be inputted somewhere with 0.5 as the top and at least bigger than 0. Could you see if it's doable? Norfern-Ostrobothnianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08786469674963515571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6132819212569841092020-10-13T05:02:48.617-07:002020-10-13T05:02:48.617-07:00@ Garvan
Hi.
A) In you notation, what does "...@ Garvan<br />Hi.<br /><br /><i>A) In you notation, what does "Distance difference: ( AC - BC )" mean?</i><br /><br />Euclidean distance between A (first selected Target) and C (Source) minus Euclidean distance between B (second Target) and C.<br /><br /><i>B) Should I use scaled or unscaled coordinates with these distance measurements?</i><br /><br />Scaled.<br /><br /><i>C) Is D3 vahaduohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11045408248287178465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89906027642255113422020-10-13T01:01:10.990-07:002020-10-13T01:01:10.990-07:00@Groo Salugg, there are in history lots of swings ...@Groo Salugg, there are in history lots of swings between dolichocephaly and brachycephaly. In the case of the Northern Bell Beakers, they were most probably in the Protruding Foot Beakers a subset of Single Grave/Corded Ware. The Steppe Pastoralist literally settled down, became agriculturalist, their lifestyle and diet changed. And their culture/ society became more complex. So better brains weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15393207388422676812020-10-13T00:34:41.833-07:002020-10-13T00:34:41.833-07:00@ Sam
Yeah Megaliths are just a form of monumenta...@ Sam<br /><br />Yeah Megaliths are just a form of monumentalism to commemorate the dead. Various types of monumental tombs spreang around Europe c. 5000 - 4500 BC, in the border zones where LBK/ SBK & their descendants interacted with HG-dense communities. So in the north European lowlands you see long mounds, Megaliths and their various forms in Atlantic Europe, and of course, kurgans in Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34238143978380327462020-10-12T20:36:33.749-07:002020-10-12T20:36:33.749-07:00@Davidski “I'm not sure why the idea that Bell...@Davidski “I'm not sure why the idea that Bell Beakers were an offshoot of the Corded Ware culture is still such a big deal for some people, considering that R1b-L51 has been found in Corded Ware samples and the earliest Bell Beakers are basically identical to nearby Corded Ware groups in terms of genome-wide ancestry.“<br /><br />I agree. I think it is much more intriguing where R1b-L51/L52/Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87516782027089232262020-10-12T15:59:37.252-07:002020-10-12T15:59:37.252-07:00I'm not sure why the idea that Bell Beakers we...I'm not sure why the idea that Bell Beakers were an offshoot of the Corded Ware culture is still such a big deal for some people, considering that R1b-L51 has been found in Corded Ware samples and the earliest Bell Beakers are basically identical to nearby Corded Ware groups in terms of genome-wide ancestry.<br /><br />I've blogged about this quite a bit in recent years, and I'll be Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63836319558030433882020-10-12T14:34:47.229-07:002020-10-12T14:34:47.229-07:00@Chevalier de Balibari
"@ Archi Do you have a...@Chevalier de Balibari<br />"@ Archi Do you have any source or a proof that BB derive their origins from a Corded related group?"<br />It is necessary to ask Davidsky, he puts forward this hypothesis. I don't have any.<br /><br />"Can you explain what different they got and its making them foreigners?"<br /><br />They differ in everything from anthropology and languages toAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37504091261452257312020-10-12T13:54:22.767-07:002020-10-12T13:54:22.767-07:00@ Archi
Do you have any source or a proof that BB...@ Archi<br /><br />Do you have any source or a proof that BB derive their origins from a Corded related group?Can you explain what different they got and its making them foreigners?<br /> CHG Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13912477250408249072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30361197716486221792020-10-12T13:16:11.692-07:002020-10-12T13:16:11.692-07:00@Rob, Archeaology question.
Were Megalith graves ...@Rob, Archeaology question.<br /><br />Were Megalith graves the main type of burial for all of Western Europe, 4000-2800 BC? Or at least were they very common everywhere. I have read it was common in Northwest but was it also common in Spain?<br /><br />Was it common in Globular Amphora as well? DNA shows Globular Amphora is derived from Funnel Beaker. Funnel Beaker did lots of Megalith burials Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31932559212396255142020-10-12T09:28:19.528-07:002020-10-12T09:28:19.528-07:00I think this is an interesting article:
aYChr-DB:...I think this is an interesting article: <br />aYChr-DB: a database of ancient human Y haplogroups<br /><br />Abstract<br />Ancient Y-Chromosomal DNA is an invaluable tool for dating and discerning the origins of migration routes and demographic processes that occurred thousands of years ago. Driven by the adoption of high-throughput sequencing and capture enrichment methods in paleogenomics, the Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15763826082520229902020-10-12T05:29:01.131-07:002020-10-12T05:29:01.131-07:00Gabriel said...
"But that’s what I meant with...Gabriel said...<br />"But that’s what I meant with Iron Age Celts, they include the Belgae and other tribes, not just Hallstatt Celts."<br /><br />The Belgae and all other Celtic tribes are the Hallstatt Celts. All Celts come from Hallstatt culture.<br /><br />@Chevalier de Balibari<br /><br />"First of all we are talking for a Corded ofshoot and we know that Corded was definitely Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48284860795024605542020-10-12T03:35:46.232-07:002020-10-12T03:35:46.232-07:00@garvan, no trouble.
1) Here are some demonstrat...@garvan, no trouble. <br /><br />1) Here are some demonstrations of how I understand the D1 and D3 distances from Vahaduo to work (albeit I've calculated these in a spreadsheet on the basis vahaduo has given, and the distance I'm working with are using a conversion of G25's distance to estimated Fst, but this shouldn't effect the basic principles): https://imgur.com/a/gpiqKh4<br /Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4906910957244097042020-10-12T02:55:20.581-07:002020-10-12T02:55:20.581-07:00About three quarters of Dutch Bell Beakers had sku...About three quarters of Dutch Bell Beakers had skulls like this guy.<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-man-with-flat-occiput.html<br /><br />And this type of head shape was pretty common among most Beaker groups.<br /><br />So it's something that really sticks out about the Bell Beaker phenomenon. But yeah, it wasn't passed on to Western Euros with R1b-P312, or even Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com