tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6029513194806562243..comments2024-03-28T23:21:04.175-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Signals of ancient population explosions in our Y-chromosomesDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49318485842466349252016-06-05T14:36:35.084-07:002016-06-05T14:36:35.084-07:00"Following the modern distribution of y-dna G..."Following the modern distribution of y-dna GHIJK (and the later R1) we find a clear-cut correspondance to the spread of the IE languages, from western Spain to eastern Siberia". <br /><br />But hang on. K is primarily SE Asian. No evidence that any IE language existed anywhere near there before the last 2-300 years. GHIJK is therefore obviously not responsible for the spread of theterrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68638264822806921132016-06-04T16:32:34.575-07:002016-06-04T16:32:34.575-07:00Aurignac samples are C1a. Their cousine Gravettian... <br />Aurignac samples are C1a. Their cousine Gravettians were C1, I, IJ*, and C1a2. Magdalenian samples were I*. That may imply that old assumptions and consequent beliefs about Indo-European origins are dead wrong. Especially since Centum/Satem are BOTH present - to describe "a hundered" - in the major Uralian language. <br /><br />What remains is that the major part of Eurasian batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2873638067539569162016-05-04T20:29:28.984-07:002016-05-04T20:29:28.984-07:00"As for the subclades of GHIJK, the most anci..."As for the subclades of GHIJK, the most ancient diversity is preserved in haplogroup H, followed in order by K, IJ, and G, with haplogroup G in particular having a relatively recent founder, whose age is only about 55% of the age of the MRCA of G and HIJK". <br /><br />I've just checked the tree given in the paper again and I see contradictions with what you're saying here. Iterrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10565456913876527852016-05-03T19:47:12.407-07:002016-05-03T19:47:12.407-07:00"I figure you must have misspoken when you ha..."I figure you must have misspoken when you have stated that the Kostenki specimen's Y-DNA belongs to 'now extinct K2a*'." <br /><br />Oh dear. Certainly did. I meant Ust'-Ishm and Oase. Thanks for the further clarification of Kostenki's Y-DNA. terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8703267637512686722016-05-03T01:14:01.085-07:002016-05-03T01:14:01.085-07:00terryt wrote,
"I have it noted as specifical...terryt wrote,<br /><br />"I have it noted as specifically C1b*."<br /><br />I figure you must have misspoken when you have stated that the Kostenki specimen's Y-DNA belongs to "now extinct K2a*."<br /><br />The original genetic analysis of Kostenki 14's Y-DNA, in the paper by Andaine Seguin-Orlando, Thorfinn S. Korneliussen, Martin Sikora, <i>et al.</i> (2014), Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56623312347759230612016-05-02T20:06:11.372-07:002016-05-02T20:06:11.372-07:00"Kostenki 14 rather belongs to haplogroup C (..."Kostenki 14 rather belongs to haplogroup C (probably C1)". <br /><br />I have it noted as specifically C1b*. <br /><br />"Terry, it is now known that Tibeto-Burman & Southeast Asian F*/F2 is basal (by a slight margin) to the major part of haplogroup F (i.e. haplogroup GHIJK)". <br /><br />That could place the whole F clade origin in East Asia. <br /><br />"As forterrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75087487335258162112016-05-02T02:57:38.900-07:002016-05-02T02:57:38.900-07:00Terry, it is now known that Tibeto-Burman & So...Terry, it is now known that Tibeto-Burman & Southeast Asian F*/F2 is basal (by a slight margin) to the major part of haplogroup F (<i>i.e.</i> haplogroup GHIJK). If you want to use the present distribution of basal subclades of K2 in the Malay Archipelago as evidence for an origin of K2 in that region, you must also consider the entirety of haplogroup F-M89 in a similar manner. (As for the Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63278462938108349832016-05-01T20:41:44.400-07:002016-05-01T20:41:44.400-07:00"I would keep an open mind and be ready for a..."I would keep an open mind and be ready for anything". <br /><br />Yes, but ... we have to work with the evidence as we at present have it, not what we would like it to be. <br /><br />"Umm.. no it's not. Where is N or O in Native Americans? P is the northern branch of K2". <br /><br />I'll leave it to Shaikorth: <br /><br />"Native Americans are a post-LGM terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38618472541461742652016-05-01T14:39:05.204-07:002016-05-01T14:39:05.204-07:00As you can see from the ancient DNA data, the expa...As you can see from the ancient DNA data, the expansion in Z93 lineages started on the steppe far away from the Indus Valley.<br /><br />It's not like they're just picking up what happened in South Asia with modern data, are they? Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36456610424873019862016-05-01T13:50:42.492-07:002016-05-01T13:50:42.492-07:00A 4.5-4 Kya date changes the narrative of an Aryan...A 4.5-4 Kya date changes the narrative of an Aryan invasion significantly. This is peak period for the IVC , it would imply waves of migrants settling into more cosmopolitan areas rather than the violent invasion theory you subscribe to Davidski lol. So it is possible the Rakhi garhi sample can show up as R1a, though it is likely J2 or L1, It seems the starving Indo Iranians of the steppe wantedRamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08212726536809592734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87136329751379319852016-05-01T08:53:41.022-07:002016-05-01T08:53:41.022-07:00I'm just saying that being dogmatic about one ...I'm just saying that being dogmatic about one place will probably get you burnt. If K2a is all over, don't be surprised if K2b is the same. Oase-1 is only an outlier due to being an extra 10% Neandertal. I would keep an open mind and be ready for anything.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60149808821139690512016-05-01T07:59:38.864-07:002016-05-01T07:59:38.864-07:00No proof, No science nothing. It's all ethnic ...No proof, No science nothing. It's all ethnic bias.<br /><br />I live in '(Ukraine|Greece|India|SEA)' so every thing came from thereNathan Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18392998104066477963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8584207077532671002016-05-01T02:48:16.275-07:002016-05-01T02:48:16.275-07:00Tundra and woods is where it's at !Tundra and woods is where it's at !Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15579776207079884722016-05-01T01:45:00.397-07:002016-05-01T01:45:00.397-07:00Rob said.
"tropics wouldn't intuitively...Rob said.<br /><br /><br />"tropics wouldn't intuitively be the ideal place to serve as a population source and diversification point"<br /><br />Man o man. this is what we are down to. <br /><br />IS there a single a diversification that came from Non tropical place?. Tundra and woods are no place for Bio diversity or living before tropical people developed tools.Nathan Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18392998104066477963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83322822064313738172016-05-01T01:17:11.384-07:002016-05-01T01:17:11.384-07:00@Chad
Native Americans are a post-LGM phenome...<br /><br /> @Chad<br /><br /> Native Americans are a post-LGM phenomenon and aren't really informative about earlier Paleolithic movements. To prove things such as K2b being more northern than K2a in origin, we'd need to find something like Ust-Ishim's contemporaries with K2b from more northern latitudes.<br /><br />Same goes for K2's Paleolithic presence in Europe. Oase-1 Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5488172143920474762016-04-30T23:42:36.301-07:002016-04-30T23:42:36.301-07:00I don't know too much about SEA, but the tropi...I don't know too much about SEA, but the tropics wouldn't intuitively be the ideal place to serve as a population source and diversification point Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27511766564212833902016-04-30T22:30:01.148-07:002016-04-30T22:30:01.148-07:00@terryt
"Well NO is a 'northern' bran...@terryt<br />"Well NO is a 'northern' branch within K2 and so it looks as though both Oase-1 and Ust'-Ishim spread across Central Eurasia from the east."<br /><br />Umm.. no it's not. Where is N or O in Native Americans? P is the northern branch of K2. <br /><br />Just wait and see. Ancient relics will be a result of limited flow from the rest of Eurasia into SE Asia. WeChadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29223268570692147222016-04-30T21:45:35.978-07:002016-04-30T21:45:35.978-07:00Glad to made you laugh finally terry. Glad to made you laugh finally terry. Nathan Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18392998104066477963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46371832595648144312016-04-30T15:54:05.954-07:002016-04-30T15:54:05.954-07:00"Terry: Cantaloupe. SEA , Wallacea is before ..."Terry: Cantaloupe. SEA , Wallacea is before earth originated. What is this India and South Asia. Goebbels is nothing compared to me". <br /><br />Nathan Paul, you are speaking from a position of ignorance here. A quote from the paper itself, left out of Davidski's summation: <br /><br />"Three new features of the phylogeny underscore the importance of South and Southeast terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32707587029907318802016-04-30T07:44:52.404-07:002016-04-30T07:44:52.404-07:00Good writeup Postneo. Recently some articles start...Good writeup Postneo. Recently some articles started appearing about Himalayan wolf is a separate species by itself. Happen to see Gaur Indian buffalo and Ongole bull both South Asian origin. They are bigger than American bison. Texas longhorns are hybrid between Indian and European varieties.<br /><br />Dogs, Cows and Diseases also help backtrack the human dispersal path and destruction.Nathan Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18392998104066477963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77168100703251142382016-04-30T05:23:47.002-07:002016-04-30T05:23:47.002-07:00Gioiello,
Rule: Do not speculate about the people...Gioiello,<br /><br />Rule: Do not speculate about the people posting here. Dienekes has posted here.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10215796342860756122016-04-29T23:54:35.734-07:002016-04-29T23:54:35.734-07:00@Nathan Paul
Dienekes: Peanut. J2 is the source o...@Nathan Paul<br /><br /><i>Dienekes: Peanut. J2 is the source of all culture on earth.</i> <br /><br />Not a peanut. More like a steaming pile of horseshit.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49003044507815817022016-04-29T19:46:21.494-07:002016-04-29T19:46:21.494-07:00There are several wolf species in the middle east ...There are several wolf species in the middle east and south asia. The himalayan wolf and indian grey wolf are separated by a million years. Both have branched off earlier than grey wolves and dogs. The position of the arabian grey wolf seems to be not very clear.<br /><br />The actual subspecies that was ancestral to dogs would have quickly died out in the wild by the early neolithic. Note that postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46697810247321004552016-04-29T15:23:40.336-07:002016-04-29T15:23:40.336-07:00Water melon (Citrullus vulgaris). In Italian "...Water melon (Citrullus vulgaris). In Italian "citrullo" does mean "idiot, moron", as "minchione", i.e. with a great mentula. Very likely that isn't the thought of the European ladies, who don't ask if you belong to hg. R1b, even though Iberian Falcon has many probabilities to be so.<br /><br />Nathan. Given, but from who?Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89264534243141003532016-04-29T13:59:39.074-07:002016-04-29T13:59:39.074-07:00Old Indian Proverb. before it is deleted by David....Old Indian Proverb. before it is deleted by David.<br /><br />Every Man has craziness the size of peanut. But some men may have bigger size.<br /><br />Now: <br /><br />Dienekes: Peanut. J2 is the source of all culture on earth. <br /><br />David: Orange: R1a is the greatest and they beat everybody to pulp on their way to India.<br /><br />Terry: Cantaloupe. SEA , Wallacea is before earth Nathan Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18392998104066477963noreply@blogger.com