tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post614527250245342697..comments2024-03-18T23:36:05.218-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Who were the people of the Nordic Bronze Age?Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger259125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32488645593590598002020-07-17T10:58:25.506-07:002020-07-17T10:58:25.506-07:00Rise71, Pre-Germanic development in the LN Flint D...Rise71, Pre-Germanic development in the LN Flint Dagger Period.<br /><br />See:<br />https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?21097-Pre-Germanic-development-in-the-LN-Flint-Dagger-Periodweurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36584205570003341502019-06-15T00:19:31.933-07:002019-06-15T00:19:31.933-07:00LukaszM made an ancient calculator based on good o...LukaszM made an ancient calculator based on good old K36 (available on Your DNA).<br /><br />My sample unisono early Germanic, with one exception Rise98....no coincidence in this respect.<br /><br />https://www.mupload.nl/img/gicv3lruz.13.38.pngweurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4191721927260576642019-06-02T12:00:16.751-07:002019-06-02T12:00:16.751-07:00@Bob Floy "I've also wondered whether PIE...@Bob Floy "I've also wondered whether PIE was a Corded ware phenomenon, rather than Yamnaya, more so after the Iberian revelations."<br /><br />How would that work for Celtic and Latin?Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17386123430230365251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46963800054095653732019-05-26T07:26:54.480-07:002019-05-26T07:26:54.480-07:00@Davidski clear thanks!@Davidski clear thanks!weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67927059865477980282019-05-26T05:03:50.664-07:002019-05-26T05:03:50.664-07:00@weure
On that plot you're just looking at tw...@weure<br /><br />On that plot you're just looking at two of the most significant dimensions of genetic variation, while the nMonte runner uses all of the available data to calculate overall affinity.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25384683886550813962019-05-26T04:40:34.295-07:002019-05-26T04:40:34.295-07:00@Davidski do you have an explanation why in the PC...@Davidski do you have an explanation why in the PCA my family is closer to Rise and Rose 97 and these Rise's are more on distance to the Saxons, whereas in the Monte Wedrunner G25 checkfit these Rise's are much more closer to the Saxons than to my family?weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16972261962073008652019-05-25T23:46:13.823-07:002019-05-25T23:46:13.823-07:00@Suyindik said- we can not define people from 4000...@Suyindik said- we can not define people from 4000-3000 BCE with terms like "African", "European" or "Asian". <br /><br />True, actually, they were all Africans, do not insist, you've convinced me,<br /><br />What part of Morocco do you think these migrations or population movements come from? Casablanca, Tanger, the Rif?<br />Can you send some more interesting Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69870162146658481282019-05-25T15:29:49.196-07:002019-05-25T15:29:49.196-07:00@Gaska
There is no one sentence in my comments tal...@Gaska<br />There is no one sentence in my comments talking about African origins, I am only making an analysis on the origin of the Bell Beaker culture. You can continue to drown in your observations based on modern dna, talking about "African" and "European" dna. Like I mentioned before, since the Holocene, different groups of people(from different locations) made dozens of Suyindikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625190596568601709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67656258406109954422019-05-25T15:11:23.758-07:002019-05-25T15:11:23.758-07:00However, if that will make you feel better and hap...However, if that will make you feel better and happier, then I will give you the reason and from now on I will defend the origin of Bb culture in Africa. You've convinced meGaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51155382258856721942019-05-25T14:59:34.192-07:002019-05-25T14:59:34.192-07:00@Suyindik-To say that BB culture originated in Afr...@Suyindik-To say that BB culture originated in Africa is as absurd as to say that there is no difference between African and European markers-I have already recommended you two papers about BB culture in Iberia for you to read. I can recommend some other about metallurgy, so you can see where the copper found in Morocco comes from-Unfortunately for you the only things that originates in Africa Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76323611352499515402019-05-25T12:53:08.825-07:002019-05-25T12:53:08.825-07:00At last!
Gaska has met his match! (Suyindik).
At last!<br /><br />Gaska has met his match! (Suyindik).<br /><br />John Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454926902513067703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-50253144458505003762019-05-25T12:40:53.084-07:002019-05-25T12:40:53.084-07:00@Gaska
When there were no Bell Beaker pottery(<...@Gaska<br />When there were no Bell Beaker pottery(<2700 BCE) in Iberia there were Bell Beaker pottery in Morocco. This is showing the point of origin and the direction of the migration. If you do not understand this, then this discussion is being ridiculous.<br /><br />I was trying to explain that even the Y-DNA defined as being of African origin(E) is found in the EEF, these are earlier thanSuyindikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625190596568601709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80633776785979293062019-05-25T12:08:41.658-07:002019-05-25T12:08:41.658-07:00@Richard Rocca
If the facts dont suit you, it beco...@Richard Rocca<br />If the facts dont suit you, it becomes "imagination (or biases) of the archaeologist", right? You are being ridiculous...Suyindikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625190596568601709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53206864630442985682019-05-25T09:00:11.097-07:002019-05-25T09:00:11.097-07:00@Richard Rocca said-"Iberia is now the second...@Richard Rocca said-"Iberia is now the second best tested location on the planet after Britain, and still no L51. The Yamnaya of the western steppe (from Hungary to Moldova) has zero samples tested so far. So yes, it makes a whole lot of sense to keep testing the steppe"<br /><br />Totally agree, but I suppose you will agree with me that they could also study the Franco-Cantabrian Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73818875551209822452019-05-25T08:17:18.519-07:002019-05-25T08:17:18.519-07:00@Suyindik said-"The Proto Bell Beaker culture...@Suyindik said-"The Proto Bell Beaker culture is being formed before 3000 BCE in North Africa (and Iberia) <br /><br />You really have no idea where the BB culture originated- Campaniforme: chronology, pottery, and contexts of a long term phenomenon in the Portuguese Douro Basin-Maria de Jesus Sanches (2.018)- <br /><br />@Suyindik said-How can the source of the Bell Beaker culture lie in Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62587964015527206652019-05-25T06:40:07.906-07:002019-05-25T06:40:07.906-07:00@Suyindik,
If one wants to, one can squint their ...@Suyindik,<br /><br />If one wants to, one can squint their eyes hard enough and also see Remedello culture pottery as Proto-Bell Beaker. It is up to the imagination (or biases) of the archaeologist. Like I said, there is nothing Proto-Bell Beaker about anything in Morocco dated to 3000 BC. Outside of quoting general dates, why don't you give us a link to a radiocabron dated grave in Morocco Richard Roccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137962922951473003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67098899945659292432019-05-25T06:36:14.875-07:002019-05-25T06:36:14.875-07:00@Gaska
The Proto Bell Beaker culture is being for...@Gaska<br /><br />The Proto Bell Beaker culture is being formed before 3000 BCE in North Africa (and Iberia). Do the mathematics, and determine if 2500-2000 BCE is earlier or later than 3000 BCE. How can the source of the Bell Beaker culture lie in Central Europe when the oldest findings are not from there?<br /><br />What do you define as European actually? First of all if we consider the Suyindikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625190596568601709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66405468810496904052019-05-25T06:03:47.057-07:002019-05-25T06:03:47.057-07:00@Ric
Unlike a large number of experts, I have no ...@Ric<br /><br />Unlike a large number of experts, I have no idea where the IE originated, how it was expanded, or with what unipartentals markers it is related. For me everything is speculation until we can establish correct relationships between genetics and language. I think that for the moment, that has only happened in Iberia where R1b-P312/Df27 speaks NO-IE languages for millennia. <br /><Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3390993006671773322019-05-25T05:39:20.360-07:002019-05-25T05:39:20.360-07:00@ Gaska
I'm already bored...@ Gaska <br /><br />I'm already bored...Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77202534404305870452019-05-25T05:30:29.096-07:002019-05-25T05:30:29.096-07:00@Ric Hern-"Please refresh my memory. Which R1...@Ric Hern-"Please refresh my memory. Which R1b samples and lineages predates 2800 BCE. in Iberia ? How many R1b samples before this time ? Meanwhile back on the Steppe Ranch....<br /><br />Atp3-<br /><br />It is better to wait while sitting or lying down because you will get bored waiting<br /> <br /><br />Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10975052089076036842019-05-25T05:22:25.165-07:002019-05-25T05:22:25.165-07:00@Suyindik-"We are speaking about the Late Neo...@Suyindik-"We are speaking about the Late Neolithic and the Bronze Age"<br /><br />The first thing that you have to be clear about is the chronology of the Neolithic, the Chalcolithic and the Bronze Age in Iberia- and the second thing you have to know is that R1b-P312 in Iberia is much older than the Bronze Age (2,000-900 BC) - El Hundido 2.434 BC and that there are 10 other samples Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412266725782255586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74129148987401118812019-05-25T05:20:18.670-07:002019-05-25T05:20:18.670-07:00So if R1b in the Caucasus Piedmont area were not P...So if R1b in the Caucasus Piedmont area were not Proto-Indo-European sprakers, and they expanded towards the West through Sredny Stog (R1a only ?) territory, how did they manage to sidestep PIE influence in that area on their way towards the West ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80571151989453403462019-05-25T04:49:03.003-07:002019-05-25T04:49:03.003-07:00@ Gaska
Or the Suvorovo Cultural expansion stopp...@ Gaska <br /><br />Or the Suvorovo Cultural expansion stopped in the Transylvanian Plateau while its people kept on moving towards the West through nooks and crannies avoiding detection by means of a narrow migration along foothills and mountains all the way to Iberia.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68319235247972267202019-05-25T04:38:19.879-07:002019-05-25T04:38:19.879-07:00@ Gaska
The only scenario that maybe(a very smal...@ Gaska <br /><br />The only scenario that maybe(a very small chance) could have pulled this of is if R1b M269 was found in the Balkans before the Farmers started to displace them mostly towards the North and maybe through Italy and R1b M269 split into two groups who independently evolved into R1b1a1a2a2 on the Steppe and its Brother R1b1a1a2a1 in Iberia.....Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15450841079486574832019-05-25T04:14:12.643-07:002019-05-25T04:14:12.643-07:00@ Gaska
So where and when did the split between ...@ Gaska<br /><br /><br />So where and when did the split between R1b1a1a2a1 and R1b1a1a2a2 happen ? And how did R1b1a1a2a2 end up thousands of kilometres from Iberia ? Can you please pinpoint the migration before 3500 BCE from the West that put Yamnaya where they were found ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.com