tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6154875166472053015..comments2024-03-28T02:40:18.114-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: ANE is the primary cause of west to east genetic differentiation within West EurasiaDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger282125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57626255619870547902016-12-08T15:04:57.836-08:002016-12-08T15:04:57.836-08:00@kristian frimer linde
Lots of new samples in the...@kristian frimer linde<br /><br />Lots of new samples in the new test, including Latvians. See spreadsheet here.<br /><br /><a href="http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2016/07/sneak-peek-basal-eurasian-k7.html" rel="nofollow">The Basal-rich K7</a>Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70917767828671328252016-12-08T09:06:47.144-08:002016-12-08T09:06:47.144-08:00Will there ever be tested more then the 103 refere...Will there ever be tested more then the 103 reference population to West Eurasia K8,that would hel us find out whether Latvians or Lithuanians are the most WHG in Europe i think the some latvians as well as other peoples such as, Danes, Portuguese, Irish, Czech republic, Slovakia, Yemen, Madagascar, Tamils, other Indian peoples, Balinese, Polynesians, Algerians, Botswanan people, different Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10441341630513662607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11470041333072132692016-08-12T20:55:54.938-07:002016-08-12T20:55:54.938-07:00Hello. I have a question. I just took the ANE K7 t...Hello. I have a question. I just took the ANE K7 test & I'm getting that I am mostly east African but on all of my other test, I am getting that I'm sub saharan or West Africa. So now I am confused. I know you are the creator of this project so, if you could shoot me an email to help me out, that would be great. Thanks! princessali1785@gmail.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05503356882469179504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2474862781372326852015-01-01T17:11:45.841-08:002015-01-01T17:11:45.841-08:00Great granny is pushing 80. No one has referred to...Great granny is pushing 80. No one has referred to me as a commodity in all those years. Anyway, I'm mostly Lebanese with some Greek and Italian. Please let us know when your new DNA test comes out the K8, as I'd like to see whether I match any of those ancient DNA people. Sounds like lots of fun for this genteel lady. Enjoy...This site is so uplifting.Anne Hart writes novels, plays, scripts, poems, stories, articles, non-fiction books, and columns.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05622103843251425096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71567667547648359452014-12-25T19:48:29.518-08:002014-12-25T19:48:29.518-08:00Ted,
To be honest, I haven't looked at the Do...Ted,<br /><br />To be honest, I haven't looked at the Dodecad oracles. I don't think they're very useful because of the calculator effect.<br /><br />But I added one of the Samaritans to both of the sheets in the K8 spreadsheet, and he doesn't appear to be a good fit for Stuttgart or NE1, or in fact their Near Eastern ancestors. The main reason is that he has almost 5% of ANE, andDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23869054630583075322014-12-25T13:07:13.205-08:002014-12-25T13:07:13.205-08:00David, can you add the Samaritans to this plot? As...David, can you add the Samaritans to this plot? As you know, the Samaritans are one of the populations that are closest in the various Dodecad oracles to Stuttgart and NE1 after the "Sardinian" component is accounted for. They are a remnant of a pre-Hellenistic Persian Era isolate in the Levant, without detectable outside admixture after about 444-338 BCE. On the other PCAs they appear Ted Kandellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245279435975443065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65956754023225633232014-12-24T00:51:49.142-08:002014-12-24T00:51:49.142-08:00@Pierre de Laclos
I am reading a lot this blog an...@Pierre de Laclos <br />I am reading a lot this blog and I like it very much.<br />So don't think women are not here, even if not so vocal as others. <br />Merry Christmas!Dagnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17752590347362537919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45918601552439097892014-12-22T17:17:45.664-08:002014-12-22T17:17:45.664-08:00"blocked to the west by the hybrid culture (E..."blocked to the west by the hybrid culture (EEF)"<br /><br />should be (EEF+ANE)<br /><br />so<br />pastoralist (ANE) push hybrid (EEF+ANE)<br /><br />hybrid (EEF+ANE) push EEF (WHG+NEF)<br /><br />EEF (WHG+NEF) push NEFGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10669781731810655702014-12-22T17:12:04.137-08:002014-12-22T17:12:04.137-08:00"Alternatively, the whole issue of WHG/EHG is..."Alternatively, the whole issue of WHG/EHG is a red herring and has little to do with the Indo-European expansion, with ANE and some sort of EEF-like signal best representing this expansion instead."<br /><br />There were sedentary pottery using HGs along the west shore of the Black Sea. A population like that would be pre-adapted to take up farming imo - especially if the abundant foodGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65355071023194946642014-12-22T15:39:18.711-08:002014-12-22T15:39:18.711-08:00Also..
The wheat consisted of 13 whole seeds of d...Also..<br /><br />The wheat consisted of 13 whole seeds of domesticated compact free-threshing wheat, either Triticum aestivum or T. turgidum. Frachetti et al. report that the wheat compares favorably to that from the Indus Valley region in Mehrgarh and other Harappan sites, ca. 2500-2000 cal BC and from Sarazm in western Tajikistan, ca. 2600-2000 BC.<br /><br />A total of 61 carbonized broomcornChadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73364685861499355612014-12-22T15:35:27.377-08:002014-12-22T15:35:27.377-08:00Uhm.. Who do you think brought farming to Yamnaya ...Uhm.. Who do you think brought farming to Yamnaya and Central Asia? <br /><br />Here's a couple of things to read.<br /><br />http://www.primtech.net/Zhusahn/Report.html<br /><br />http://www.primtech.net/Zhusahn/Report.html 400 years older than Sintashta.<br /><br />"This evidence is interpreted by the excavators, an assertion supported by many other scholars, as indication of a Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10509048842952947442014-12-22T14:36:00.657-08:002014-12-22T14:36:00.657-08:00Chad,
What evidence do you have that there were w...Chad,<br /><br />What evidence do you have that there were west Eurasian people differnt than Yamna in central Asia.<br /><br />Uralics are similar to Indo Europeans genetically, because although their linguistic ancestors were not in the same cultural and ethnic group, but because they are a similar EHG+Near eastern mix.<br /><br />My guess would be that anything non-east Asian in Russia during Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20306877404193481572014-12-22T13:49:28.839-08:002014-12-22T13:49:28.839-08:00Andronovo will not be 100% Yamnaya. There were agr...Andronovo will not be 100% Yamnaya. There were agricultural people living there already. Yamnaya brought pastoralism after 2500 BCE. Looking at Kazakhs, I'd say that their pre-East Eurasian population was around 60-70% or so Yamnaya. That figure is only if all of their WHG is from Yamnaya, which may not be so. I don't have a problem with seeing a trickle of WHG past the Urals. Even AG-2 Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68322089546263439712014-12-22T11:27:19.595-08:002014-12-22T11:27:19.595-08:00"^ Ah. The Yamnaya horizon was (like Andronov..."^ Ah. The Yamnaya horizon was (like Andronovo) typified by common cultural practices over time superimposed by numerous interactions and/or innovations in the peripheries. We'll need data from Sintashta (or any of the old Scythian remains for that matter) to determine whether WHG/EHG made its' way deep into Asia or not. "<br /><br />Andronovo mtDNA is indistinguishable from Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88641187944838352352014-12-22T09:58:05.766-08:002014-12-22T09:58:05.766-08:00Looking at WHG in Kazakhs, Uighurs, Kyrgyz, and ot...Looking at WHG in Kazakhs, Uighurs, Kyrgyz, and others, it flushed out in their periphery.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57618023232755474022014-12-22T08:09:17.742-08:002014-12-22T08:09:17.742-08:00All of this is correct, but I was referring to the...All of this is correct, but I was referring to the, let's say, "informal" (unpublished) comparisons done online, where certain Near-Easterners (e.g. Assyrians) scored negative WHG in the ANE-WHG-EEF model, whereas others (e.g. Iranians, Kurds) actually had positive WHG. <br /><br />The common interpretation of this was that something resembling WHG was indeed present in the latter, DMXXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16689998564656086919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87740468763034892972014-12-22T06:21:23.163-08:002014-12-22T06:21:23.163-08:00I suspect they're having problems in this area...I suspect they're having problems in this area because they don't yet have any ancient genomes from the Near East and South Central Asia to carry out direct comparisons with.<br /><br />For instance, using a European Neolithic genome to try and estimate European hunter-gatherer ancestry in the Near East by proxy is probably not a good idea, especially if the signals of this ancient Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3495879193711189832014-12-22T06:04:24.510-08:002014-12-22T06:04:24.510-08:00^ Ah. The Yamnaya horizon was (like Andronovo) typ...^ Ah. The Yamnaya horizon was (like Andronovo) typified by common cultural practices over time superimposed by numerous interactions and/or innovations in the peripheries. We'll need data from Sintashta (or any of the old Scythian remains for that matter) to determine whether WHG/EHG made its' way deep into Asia or not. <br /><br />The Armenians and Indians may not have any WHG(?), but itDMXXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16689998564656086919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56550873973343539532014-12-22T05:47:44.368-08:002014-12-22T05:47:44.368-08:00It does sound like there was some EHG or even WHG ...It does sound like there was some EHG or even WHG near the Urals, because the Yamnaya genomes that Reich has come from the Samara Valley, which is at the eastern end of the former Yamnaya zone.<br /><br />But the Indo-Iranian expansion didn't take place directly from Yamnaya territory, but from east of the Urals. So if the early Indo-Iranians only had small amounts of EHG, then by the time Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51221390684512622432014-12-22T05:28:43.444-08:002014-12-22T05:28:43.444-08:00"The fact that South Asians lack WHG, and per..."The fact that South Asians lack WHG, and perhaps even EHG, isn't a problem, since the Indo-Iranians are thought to have expanded from Sintashta deep into Asia, and then the Indo-Aryans are believed to have formed in a contact zone between Andronovo and BMAC.<br /><br />In other words, autosomal DNA from the steppe got flushed out in Siberia and Central Asia, but the paternal lineages DMXXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16689998564656086919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36463407818708771182014-12-21T22:07:35.904-08:002014-12-21T22:07:35.904-08:00"And the idea that Balto-Slavs originated fro..."And the idea that Balto-Slavs originated from a population that came from the middle of the Corded Ware horizon, but wasn't directly related to Corded Ware people, is just kooky, because of the uniparental marker evidence of very strong ties between Balto-Slavs and Corded Ware people."<br /><br />I think the R1 + I1 thing north of the Carpathians implies Corded Ware *amalgamated Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91157111262847506012014-12-21T13:50:23.596-08:002014-12-21T13:50:23.596-08:00"North Han and Japanese still have significan..."North Han and Japanese still have significant South Eurasian in this test. East Eurasian doesn't peak there but in Hezhen and Oroqen, who also have very little or no South Eurasian"<br /><br />But then there is the problem of these of East Eurasians having North Eurasian admixture. I wish there was a workaround but in the meanwhile there are some present/future papers that addressVOXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04545375444996122377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68455213834550847972014-12-21T12:49:14.138-08:002014-12-21T12:49:14.138-08:00I wish there was a way to take out south Eurasian ...I wish there was a way to take out south Eurasian noise in this test.<br /><br />ANE K7 and K8 doesn't work well for people who have something tiny like 5% non-west Eurasian ancestry. African and east Asian percentages aren't accurate, and I scored 2% ASE in ANE K7. I don't know where to put the ASE, African, and east Asian noise.Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41296432688479815962014-12-21T10:50:14.612-08:002014-12-21T10:50:14.612-08:00North Han and Japanese still have significant Sout...North Han and Japanese still have significant South Eurasian in this test. East Eurasian doesn't peak there but in Hezhen and Oroqen, who also have very little or no South Eurasian.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71016109300043391132014-12-21T10:31:11.385-08:002014-12-21T10:31:11.385-08:00"Isolating ANE from South Amerindian genomes ..."Isolating ANE from South Amerindian genomes is fairly easy, because they appear to be just a two-way mix of ANE and ENA.<br /><br />South Indians, even those with seemingly high levels of ASI, are a mixture of ANE, Basal Eurasian, probably something WHG-like, and a component, or components, native to South Asia.<br /><br />I wouldn't know what I'm looking for exactly. It is VOXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04545375444996122377noreply@blogger.com