tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6210258383634495602..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Ancient ancestry proportions in present-day Europeans (to be continued)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger536125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44444037761733956672021-04-09T15:08:00.068-07:002021-04-09T15:08:00.068-07:00Language is the basic ancient book & literatur...Language is the basic ancient book & literature.<br />Putting aside any panslavism or even panindoaryanism the serious idea here is that old enough words can predate creation of native religion reaching period when names of gods were still only common use words describing weather phenomenons, future god attributes or most sacred animals names. With migration and language evolution and gods Ebrelioshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10367484749034870991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42232380390423699952020-08-14T09:54:03.887-07:002020-08-14T09:54:03.887-07:00I'm waiting for at least 20-30 male eba and br...I'm waiting for at least 20-30 male eba and bronze age samples from india. Right now we have 0.vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84656287816472566802020-08-14T07:10:11.058-07:002020-08-14T07:10:11.058-07:00@basiert
Modern das Indo-Aryans and Indians have ...@basiert<br /><br />Modern das Indo-Aryans and Indians have also a lot of Z2124 and especially Z2123. Kalash for example are entirely Z2123. The Z2123 clades in South Asia are mostly specific for South Asia and Afghanistan but were absent among later Saka groups and modern day people north of Afghanistan so they were very likely brought by Bronze Age Indo-Aryans from Afghanistan. For example Coldmountainshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18351446992955041786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52608671012231544722020-08-13T23:56:31.047-07:002020-08-13T23:56:31.047-07:00Well, obviously L657 is derived from Z93 and R1a.
...Well, obviously L657 is derived from Z93 and R1a.<br /><br />And there's no R1a or Z93 in Asia prior to the Fatyanovo expansions.<br /><br />So I don't know what you're hoping for, probably a miracle.<br /><br />Haha.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66721310242066051452020-08-13T21:59:50.879-07:002020-08-13T21:59:50.879-07:00Meh. Keep screeching fatyanovo and abashevo as its...Meh. Keep screeching fatyanovo and abashevo as its something new. Same old same old z93 with no L657 orior parent in sight. as I had predicted.vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26415932374394717472020-08-13T16:03:22.597-07:002020-08-13T16:03:22.597-07:00@vAsiSTha
No problem, hang your hopes on peacock ...@vAsiSTha<br /><br />No problem, hang your hopes on peacock feathers and folk legends.<br /><br />Meanwhile reality will keep coming at you, and you won't be able to stop it.<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/07/fatyanovo-males-were-rich-in-y.html<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-oldest-r1a-to-date.html<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24164214358305085272020-08-13T15:47:42.316-07:002020-08-13T15:47:42.316-07:00Peacock Motifs in Rig Vedic Hymns and Hungarian Fo...<br />Peacock Motifs in Rig Vedic Hymns and Hungarian Folksongs <br /><br />https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1238&context=csearticles<br /><br />"The peacock motif already caught the attention of Kodály<br />as something special in Hungarian folk music [5]. The<br />present work traced the origin of peacock motifs back to<br />some Rig Vedic hymns. "<br /><Mayuresh Madhav Kelkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18418844256177729386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32129062749713152522020-08-13T07:05:47.272-07:002020-08-13T07:05:47.272-07:00"The Polish nobility didn't revere the pe..."The Polish nobility didn't revere the peacock you idiot. It was just a fashion."<br /><br />You could just say that you dont know how it happened lol.<br /><br />There is a lot more clarity on how it spread(not just as 'fashion', but also with cultural significance) from ancient persia to middle east and greeks and roman cultures. <br /><br />"The Peacock is one of thevAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35770456772728477602020-08-12T17:25:10.302-07:002020-08-12T17:25:10.302-07:00@vAsiSTha
The Polish nobility didn't revere t...@vAsiSTha<br /><br />The Polish nobility didn't revere the peacock you idiot. It was just a fashion.<br /><br />They had a myth about Sarmatian origins, but this wasn't true. It was only a tactic to differentiate themselves from the peasants.<br /><br />Most of the theories about the supposed links between Iranians and Slavs are false. They're based on myths from the Middle Ages, likeDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56883602874700238292020-08-12T16:13:45.850-07:002020-08-12T16:13:45.850-07:00@Ric Hern
Thanks. That makes sense. I didn't ...@Ric Hern<br /><br />Thanks. That makes sense. I didn't know of that species.<br /><br />The link also say modern apples have ancestry from Malus sieversii. is that later Silk Road stuff or did Indo-Europeans have massive trading networks early on?Tigranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03955883581411699330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10637988360170945102020-08-12T09:07:33.485-07:002020-08-12T09:07:33.485-07:00The yazidis of the middle East also revere the pea...The yazidis of the middle East also revere the peacock, the peacock angel being one of their 7 holy beings. Afaik peafowl is only present in South asia, se asia and African rainforests like in Congo.vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41338806639729923442020-08-12T07:49:30.002-07:002020-08-12T07:49:30.002-07:00Regarding peacock feathers in Coat of Arms
They a...Regarding peacock feathers in Coat of Arms<br /><br />They are supposed to represent wisdom. <br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gozdawa_coat_of_arms<br /><br />"It was used by several szlachta families in the times of the Kingdom of Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth."<br /><br />Speculation abounds about the origins of the Szlachta.<br /><br />https://Mayuresh Madhav Kelkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18418844256177729386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37383635993075272762020-08-12T07:20:53.062-07:002020-08-12T07:20:53.062-07:00@Vasistha,
I dont know, it may be similar to the ...@Vasistha,<br /><br />I dont know, it may be similar to the ancient 'Iranian' flag, Darafsh-E-Kayani (The Kayanian Banner) found on top of the British crown...<br /><br />https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-Persian-Kaviani-flag-on-the-Queen-Elizabeths-crown<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derafsh_Kavianimzp1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14352478218345657952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24812106690566563292020-08-11T13:58:43.599-07:002020-08-11T13:58:43.599-07:00https://enacademic.com/pictures/enwiki/66/B%C5%82a...https://enacademic.com/pictures/enwiki/66/B%C5%82a%C5%BCowski_POL_COA.svg<br /><br />Does anyone know the history behind these peacock feathers in the coat of arms of some Polish nobility?<br /><br />I dont believe peacocks are there in europe. whats the story?vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35363641496989194712020-08-11T09:43:19.104-07:002020-08-11T09:43:19.104-07:00Do not know much about Sarmatian archaeology, but ...Do not know much about Sarmatian archaeology, but the existing "Sarmatian" genomes seem to display a relatively homogeneous genetic profile:<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZNoBnTVF60TKcI2yBrxSrYW9SN1bxyUK/view?usp=sharing<br /><br />I* welcome interpretations of these results, especially from those knowledgeable in archaeology.<br /><br />* I have not read most of the Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22448284221277963492020-08-11T07:46:05.639-07:002020-08-11T07:46:05.639-07:00@ Tigran
Malus Sylvestris @ Tigran<br /><br />Malus Sylvestris Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45013372923449129562020-08-11T07:30:56.934-07:002020-08-11T07:30:56.934-07:00@ Tigran
From the Lower Don Westwards you find t...@ Tigran <br /><br />From the Lower Don Westwards you find the Crabapple. The Crabapple contributed significant towards the formation of many modern day Apple Cultivars...so basically native to the Northern parts of Europe.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19588865576086162392020-08-11T00:55:58.927-07:002020-08-11T00:55:58.927-07:00@ Apostolos
Yes, it's just a heuristic clasif...@ Apostolos<br /><br />Yes, it's just a heuristic clasificaiton which might or might not be correct, but it is the basis of existing frameworks. More objective scehma might be on basis of radiometric dating, geography and other anthropological details (e.g. burial postures). <br />It is during the Middle Sarmatian period that Central Asia influences (viz Alani) are said to appear.<br /><br />Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20485588442150155672020-08-10T17:25:15.542-07:002020-08-10T17:25:15.542-07:00So Scythio-Siberians absorbed loads of ENA and WSH...So Scythio-Siberians absorbed loads of ENA and WSHG admixture when they moved into Siberia and the Kazakh steppe? What did Sakas and Tocharians absorb in the Tarim Basin? Also ENA? Or WSHG?<br /><br />Also I read Proto Indo-European has a word for apple. But apples are native to Eastern Kazakhstan so how does that make sense?Tigranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03955883581411699330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34380640628609957602020-08-10T05:56:40.562-07:002020-08-10T05:56:40.562-07:00@Rob
I would have preferred to not use it.
Beca...@Rob<br /><br />I would have preferred to not use it. <br /><br />Because, during classical antiquity it is used for a population in Southern Russia (between Lower Don and Lower Volga, north of North Caucasus), during Late Antiquity for a population as far west as modern day Poland (east of Vistula) and Romania (north of Danube?), while some archaeologists decided to use the term Sauromatian for Apostoloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03495216206561550117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37020092031764421612020-08-09T23:26:59.804-07:002020-08-09T23:26:59.804-07:00@ Apostolos
''Herodotus used the term Sar...@ Apostolos<br /><br /><i>''Herodotus used the term Sarmatian (Sauromatian) for a population in Southern Russia.<br />Russian archeologists used the term Sauromatian for a culture in Southern Urals?<br /><br />How do you use the term?<br /><br />There are 4 ? studies that have sampled 'Sarmatians' Unterländer et al. 2017, Damgaard et al. 2018, Krzewińska et al. 2018, Järve et al. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77318033836877832962020-08-09T23:16:33.001-07:002020-08-09T23:16:33.001-07:00@ Vasistha
''Matt is absolutely right whe...@ Vasistha<br /><br />''Matt is absolutely right when he says you don't necessarily need genetic changes for language changes. One does not need a 1000iq to know that is the truth.''<br /><br /><br />Sure, language change can occur in absence of large scale shifts, but such a generic remark in itself means little and lacks explanatory power<br />Its up there with 'pots Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25185355397520622142020-08-09T19:17:14.212-07:002020-08-09T19:17:14.212-07:00Maybe genetic exchange wasn't always needed fo...Maybe genetic exchange wasn't always needed for language shifts, but most of the time it was, especially in areas that weren't under any sort of state control.<br /><br />But anyway, my real point about Matt was that he posts about 90% of serious, useful content here, and the other 10% is basically trolling of some sort, usually pushing very unusual Quiles-like theories:<br /><br /><i>- Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72250553007413418082020-08-09T11:07:24.679-07:002020-08-09T11:07:24.679-07:00Matt is absolutely right when he says you don'...Matt is absolutely right when he says you don't necessarily need genetic changes for language changes. One does not need a 1000iq to know that is the truth.vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55815088149011878812020-08-09T09:25:27.107-07:002020-08-09T09:25:27.107-07:00No problem Mayuresh.No problem Mayuresh.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.com