tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6260869980831431032..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Andronovo pastoralists brought steppe ancestry to South Asia (Narasimhan et al. 2018 preprint)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger868125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78814599407275316602023-12-28T15:44:43.303-08:002023-12-28T15:44:43.303-08:00I just ran a calculator on Vahaduo that told me I ...I just ran a calculator on Vahaduo that told me I have a 5.6% Iranic genetic component from Gonur3_BA. I can't find anything on this sample searching the web. Can anybody direct me to an article somewhere that elaborates on this please?RobertNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14424181842279889227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77449464884319332092018-04-27T05:55:00.956-07:002018-04-27T05:55:00.956-07:00The very latest from Rai...hehe.
Indus Valley peo...The very latest from Rai...hehe.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.caravanmagazine.in/vantage/indus-valley-genetic-contribution-steppes-rakhigarhi" rel="nofollow">Indus Valley people did not have genetic contribution from the steppes: Head of Ancient DNA Lab testing Rakhigarhi samples</a><br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7460910226263664682018-04-25T02:16:10.136-07:002018-04-25T02:16:10.136-07:00Dr. Rai infoms ,to not take the Open Magazine int... <b>Dr. Rai infoms ,to not take the Open Magazine interview seriously, as the interviewer unfortunately didn't understand many crucial points of what was said to him .</b>. Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37902346820382021412018-04-12T00:58:53.485-07:002018-04-12T00:58:53.485-07:00Davidski: By the way, it seems to me that the tree...Davidski: <i>By the way, it seems to me that the trees based on lexicon root meaning traits (like Garrett+Chang's) are still very experimental, and not exactly mainstream within historical linguistics.</i><br /><br />Maybe, but the wider point is how to explain the divergent structure, whether we agree one is historical and the other is not, etc.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9053733749078586352018-04-12T00:40:53.550-07:002018-04-12T00:40:53.550-07:00@Anthony Haken Spread by the Seima Turbino traders...@Anthony Haken Spread by the Seima Turbino traders would be a good explanation. Parpola's latest paper makes a case for how this could have happened. But whether the Seima people were the original speakers of Uralic is a different matterArchaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-324619283413193852018-04-11T18:36:56.552-07:002018-04-11T18:36:56.552-07:00It has been suggested that the reason Uralic has s...It has been suggested that the reason Uralic has so many loanwords is due to it being spread by traders.<br /><br />There is any reason to assume Uralic was originally R1a or CW unless we find no N1c in Volga-Kama BA burials.<br /><br />BOO was interesting but I don't think it shakes up the N1c-PU link considering IA samples that are actually likely to be related to Uralic expansion turned Anthony Hankenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08558813696890276719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56478268782623771852018-04-11T10:18:17.753-07:002018-04-11T10:18:17.753-07:00@Lenny
This sample is part Yamnaya, that's wh...@Lenny<br /><br />This sample is part Yamnaya, that's why it belongs to a relatively young R1b-Z2103 lineage that wasn't around during the Chalcolithic.<br /><br />It seems you're missing an important point here that this sample doesn't have a C14 date, and it's obviously from a secondary burial dating to the Bronze Age, which probably just collapsed into the Chalcolithic bin Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20846731218892751282018-04-11T09:54:24.424-07:002018-04-11T09:54:24.424-07:00@ David:
What if the CHG admixture mediated to th...@ David:<br /><br />What if the CHG admixture mediated to the Steppe in EBA was in fact part-EHG?<br /><br />Meaning, instead of an EBA pulse of 50% admixture from CHG females-only, it was instead a 60% pulse of 80/20 CHG/EHG (ie, an EHG "back-migration" to the steppe after hanging around & mixing with native females in the Zagros/South Caucuses?), that did involve males who despiteK33https://www.blogger.com/profile/06580730647189571414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21791922157189938112018-04-11T09:51:17.729-07:002018-04-11T09:51:17.729-07:00"In the beginning God created..... YAMNAYA, t..."In the beginning God created..... YAMNAYA, the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the STEPPE."<br /><br />I don't think there was a "Yamna" culture before ca. 3,000 BCE. It arose as a result of the near total cultural fusion of "Repin" and "Post StogDmytrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08494390634041394412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24947757697790041252018-04-11T09:49:27.666-07:002018-04-11T09:49:27.666-07:00Hmmm... is Yamnaya Samara dated 5,000 BC and pure ...Hmmm... is Yamnaya Samara dated 5,000 BC and pure EHG, prior to the pulse of CHG/Iran_N admixture north of the Caucuses? Should be Eneolithic_Samara right?<br /><br />So maybe Samara was the site of Pre-PIE<br />- One branch goes south very early, bringing Anatolian languages to East Anatolia/West Iran<br />- Other steppe cultures stay north of the Caucuses, take in pulse of female-mediated CHG K33https://www.blogger.com/profile/06580730647189571414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72363899649249065362018-04-11T09:49:21.020-07:002018-04-11T09:49:21.020-07:00Davidski can extract Steppe admix percentages from...Davidski can extract Steppe admix percentages from a neanderthal.<br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41706884239733400802018-04-11T09:19:34.717-07:002018-04-11T09:19:34.717-07:00Haha!
Hajji_Firuz_ChL_outlier:I2327
Hajji_Firuz...Haha!<br /><br />Hajji_Firuz_ChL_outlier:I2327<br /> <br />Hajji_Firuz_ChL,46.8<br />Seh Gabi_ChL,37.2<br />Yamnaya_Samara,13.2<br />West_Siberia_N,2.8<br /><br />[1] "distance%=2.9719"Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75239930301890375442018-04-11T09:16:14.206-07:002018-04-11T09:16:14.206-07:00@ Davidski
Makes me think about that 2 different ...@ Davidski<br /><br />Makes me think about that 2 different Horse Types found at Alikemek-Tepesi dated to +- the 4th Mil BC...Could this be an early Steppe Migration ?Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64055212218764961492018-04-11T09:15:44.972-07:002018-04-11T09:15:44.972-07:00David: Here's a sneak preview of what I mean.
...David: Here's a sneak preview of what I mean.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HS3Qxj65JGGB8T_AzqtMkpHR_X2lvhhe/view?usp=sharing<br /><br />Interesting. He looks shifted toward Eneolithic Steppe but also shifted toward CHG, relative to the Iran_Chl cluster.<br /><br />What was the date on this guy? Could his shift represent Maykop-related admixture??K33https://www.blogger.com/profile/06580730647189571414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77454140616028409822018-04-11T09:15:00.784-07:002018-04-11T09:15:00.784-07:00@Colin Welling
The dating is not wrong. Not by muc...@Colin Welling<br />The dating is not wrong. Not by much. I bet it will turn out 5300BC-4900bc. What about you, what is your bet?<br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33820289656059191742018-04-11T09:11:19.055-07:002018-04-11T09:11:19.055-07:00@Rob
That's strange. These shouldn't diff...@Rob<br /><br />That's strange. These shouldn't differ all that much:<br /><br />Mbuti_DG Anatolia_Neolithic Iron_Gates_HG WHG -0.0054 -2.634 30193 30518 639860<br />Mbuti Barcin_N WHG Iron_Gates_HG 0.0092 5.171 1140577Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65210135806213909972018-04-11T09:11:16.824-07:002018-04-11T09:11:16.824-07:00Mbuti.DG Ukraine_Eneo_I5884 Hajji_Firuz_C Hajji_Fi...Mbuti.DG Ukraine_Eneo_I5884 Hajji_Firuz_C Hajji_Firuz_C_I2327 0.0133 2.554 337495 <br />Mbuti.DG Ukraine_Eneo_I5884 Iran_ChL Hajji_Firuz_C_I2327 0.0145 2.722 332570 <br />Mbuti.DG Ukraine_Meso Hajji_Firuz_C Hajji_Firuz_C_I2327 0.0104 2.638 457435 <br />Mbuti.DG Ukraine_Meso Iran_ChL Hajji_Firuz_C_I2327 0.0186 4.929 449651 <br />Mbuti.DG Ukraine_Neo Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5326462106327325642018-04-11T09:10:55.411-07:002018-04-11T09:10:55.411-07:00OM .... has Yamnaya ancestry, 3000 years earlier t...OM <i>.... has Yamnaya ancestry, 3000 years earlier than Yamnaya itself. Ok.</i><br /><br />Davidski is probably saying that the dating for this guy is wrong. pnuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902973565704018427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21054709916430856782018-04-11T09:10:27.026-07:002018-04-11T09:10:27.026-07:00Perhaps a Siberian type individual migrating to Ir...Perhaps a Siberian type individual migrating to Iran and mixing with the Iranian farmer?mzp1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14352478218345657952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40197711715552919702018-04-11T09:04:43.110-07:002018-04-11T09:04:43.110-07:00@Elliv J
"Wow this is no "early iranian...@Elliv J<br /><br /><i>"Wow this is no "early iranian farmer"</i><br /><br />No he is not. Hajji Firuz is the second oldest place with wine production (5500bc). The First is Gadrachilli gora, in Georgia (5800BC). I2327 descend from those people up there in neolithic Georgia, called the Shulaveri-Shomu.<br /><br />I don't know how hybrid I2327 already was. Not shulaveri Mother Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59175018476130433782018-04-11T09:01:08.496-07:002018-04-11T09:01:08.496-07:00@Ellis 4500-4000 BC would be a perfect fit for ear...@Ellis 4500-4000 BC would be a perfect fit for early Anatolian speakers separating from the steppe.Archaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79170224808918377782018-04-11T08:57:57.142-07:002018-04-11T08:57:57.142-07:00"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HS3Qxj65JGG..."https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HS3Qxj65JGGB8T_AzqtMkpHR_X2lvhhe/view?usp=sharing"<br /><br />Wow this is no "early iranian farmer" lol. Hopefully they will date this one.ellivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289357400893840360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30265792636387653512018-04-11T08:46:30.620-07:002018-04-11T08:46:30.620-07:00Here's a sneak preview of what I mean.
https:...Here's a sneak preview of what I mean.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HS3Qxj65JGGB8T_AzqtMkpHR_X2lvhhe/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78028186349751998272018-04-11T08:41:07.648-07:002018-04-11T08:41:07.648-07:00OM
"In the end, there can be only one."....OM<br />"In the end, there can be only one."....... quote from the movie highlander (1986). <br />old europehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527452056485058148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52499693334825934352018-04-11T08:36:53.805-07:002018-04-11T08:36:53.805-07:00@Dave
Thx. I'm very impatient to read your po...@Dave<br /><br />Thx. I'm very impatient to read your post. Very exiting news.<br /><br />@OM<br />I2327 has not undergoone any direct datation. It could be intrusive in the archeological context (very common when people used the same site for thousands of years). When it will be dated by C14, we'll know for sure.Folkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269054619016691149noreply@blogger.com