tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6293506174140293278..comments2024-03-28T06:57:44.006-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: The PIE homeland controversy: June 2021 status reportDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger532125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24111346122201473082021-08-24T06:48:50.021-07:002021-08-24T06:48:50.021-07:00Anatolian (Hittite)
EEF + WHG + EHG, WSH / Post-Y...Anatolian (Hittite)<br /><br />EEF + WHG + EHG, WSH / Post-Yamna + Post-Sredny Stog + Post-CWC + Hurrian substrate. <br /><br />Anatolian (Hittite) already was secondarily distorted and devoiced in comparison to CWC language (+H / alleged so-called laryngeals). Hittite sounds written as h/+H was a description of a secondary devoicing generated by Hurrian NIE substrate.<br /><br />S/Hellenic<br />SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17632983113450310192021-08-24T06:47:41.271-07:002021-08-24T06:47:41.271-07:00Here is a version without any links:
@All (except...Here is a version without any links:<br /><br />@All (except ‘Rob’)<br /><br />Finally, let's do something constructive and summarise this thread.<br /><br />Again I propose to establish a discrepancy protocol. <br /><br /><b>Can you describe your version of the origin (place, time, etc,) of the IE languages?</b><br /><br />Below you will find my version of the formation of the PIE and SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40253512584798677962021-08-20T14:35:03.855-07:002021-08-20T14:35:03.855-07:00@EastPole
As I have mentioned it above, I associa...@EastPole<br /><br />As I have mentioned it above, I associate PIE with the appearance of the first burial mounds / kurgans in the archaeological cultures of Varna and Suvorovo.<br /><br />As I promised, I have described the formation of PIE and other IE languages, but unfortunately I could not publish it here again, see above, so <strong><a href="https://skrbh.wordpress.com/2021/06/21/SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29785420821444590552021-08-17T11:59:47.244-07:002021-08-17T11:59:47.244-07:00Dear Davidski
Recently Blogger has not published ...Dear Davidski<br /><br />Recently Blogger has not published my three-part comment again. <br /><br />In it, I briefly described, but with data and sources, my version of the formation of the PIE and other Indo-European languages. <br /><br />Probably due to the large number of links, these 3 comments ended up in spam. <br /><br />Please pay attention to this as I am posting them again following SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82187048392786656652021-08-08T17:04:06.650-07:002021-08-08T17:04:06.650-07:00@ Skribha
Yeah respect is earned, and you've ...@ Skribha<br /><br />Yeah respect is earned, and you've struck out. You don't make any sense and you've come here with a bee in your bonnet about your etymology of Altay (as if it's relevant) & Curta. You've demonstrated that you don't understand basic linguistics; nor the idea that LFs have been around for decades (and no that's not gospel, but merely precedent Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77283419218093733192021-08-08T08:18:32.962-07:002021-08-08T08:18:32.962-07:00@Rob
@ Skribha
That ok; your pride is wounded beca...@Rob<br /><i>@ Skribha<br />That ok; your pride is wounded because I said you’re irrelevant & boring<br />You can add hysterical too<br />July 21, 2021 at 12:09 AM</i><br /><br />Sorry for answering so late. <br /><br />Well. it is exactly the opposite. You have described above yourself and the quality of what you write. You can add to this a lack of any respect for logic and people, such as SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3419609156499991872021-07-23T02:36:37.678-07:002021-07-23T02:36:37.678-07:00@Ramber, no problem, it was interesting to do.
As...@Ramber, no problem, it was interesting to do.<br /><br />As a last thing to round out the set of using this method on what I consider the 'big 3' of genome bloggers and their ADMIXTURE projects, here's a set of the same thing for Harappa Project, which was a really good ADMIXTURE as well that was deliberately less Europe focused. <br /><br />Dimensionalized Harappa Project ADMIXTURE Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30626148586359411692021-07-22T08:47:02.070-07:002021-07-22T08:47:02.070-07:00@Matt
Thank you very much for your work on Dodeca...@Matt<br /><br />Thank you very much for your work on Dodecad K12b and Eurogenes K15. Really appreciated that.<br /><br />I will let you know if I have problems with running the stats on Udmurts.Ramberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057789585601848229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77764892737896814482021-07-21T01:56:07.079-07:002021-07-21T01:56:07.079-07:00All autochthonists are boring & wrong: ultra-N...All autochthonists are boring & wrong: ultra-Noridicists, the 'we wuz Illyrians' crowd on Anthrogenica; those with imaginary continuities in toponyms and pollen; Koch , Collis & their fanboys; so forth Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27068923294107509702021-07-20T23:18:41.296-07:002021-07-20T23:18:41.296-07:00And yeah, sure there had been the theory that the ...And yeah, sure there had been the theory that the PIE were the blond and blue-eyed Nordic race of Scandinavia and surrounds, that they should be called "Aryans", and that the Germanic people are the purest Aryans. Obviously this has been the pet theory of the Nazis. I would call it the "Aryan" theory, or, to avoid any confusion with the real Aryans, the "Aryan theory of Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27401241960854699842021-07-20T23:11:00.132-07:002021-07-20T23:11:00.132-07:00Of course there has been the theory that the PIE h...Of course there has been the theory that the PIE homeland was located in northern Europe. This was just one out of a large number of theories, and it cannot be said that this was particularly popular among German scholars after 1945... <br />Here's Mallory's map showing the theories on the PIE homeland published after 1960:<br /><br />https://justpaste.it/657at<br /><br />The last Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25766704234698456932021-07-20T15:28:55.333-07:002021-07-20T15:28:55.333-07:00@ Rob
LOL i don't care about 'your etymol...@ Rob<br /><br /><i>LOL i don't care about 'your etymologies', your false analogies about Mediterranean sailors, or whose 'boy' / lapp dog you are. (…)</i> <br /><br />Neither do I care about your rude comments and illogical and irrelevant statements that are unsupported by anything, see above and beneath.<br /><br />You cover up your lack of any arguments and sources with SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60340652406591001782021-07-20T07:03:58.006-07:002021-07-20T07:03:58.006-07:00@Ramber, to underline, it is important to *square*...@Ramber, to underline, it is important to *square* the distance after the running euclidean distance on the Principal Coordinates Analysis, otherwise things will be relatively inflated and wrong.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58393346351518397652021-07-20T01:19:11.875-07:002021-07-20T01:19:11.875-07:00Ramber, also here's the same data as what I di...Ramber, also here's the same data as what I did for the Dodecad K12 for Eurogenes K15 if you are interested in that. <br /><br />Pastebin: Dimensions: https://pastebin.com/WStSPYxs <br />Predicted Fst: https://pastebin.com/yp56MtMS <br /><br />Neighbour joining tree: https://imgur.com/a/WE1Gz6V<br /><br />You can see it captures a lot of structure, although the populations obviously overlap Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-118687092868296182021-07-19T23:06:51.626-07:002021-07-19T23:06:51.626-07:00@ Skirbha
LOL i don't care about 'your et...@ Skirbha<br /><br />LOL i don't care about 'your etymologies', your false analogies about Mediterranean sailors, or whose 'boy' / lapp dog you are. Most of use can take on sources selectively and come to our own conclusions. Apparently that is strange to you<br />And I'm not going to get into a thesis on entire PIE when you cant even understand the 700s.<br />The premise Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90828397619269721682021-07-19T11:52:59.755-07:002021-07-19T11:52:59.755-07:00@Rob
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(…) The term "lingua franca" d...@Rob<br /><br />4.<br /><i> (…) The term "lingua franca" derives from Mediterranean Lingua Franca (also known as Sabir), the pidgin language that people around the Levant and the eastern Mediterranean Sea used as the main language of commerce and diplomacy from''<br />That's an irrelevant definition. Latin was LF of the Roman Empire, and it was certainly not a pidgin. Most SKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71963051425587199422021-07-19T11:52:17.370-07:002021-07-19T11:52:17.370-07:00@Rob
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’Can you describe your version of the ori...@Rob<br /><br />1.<br /><i>’Can you describe your version of the origin (place, time, etc,) of the languages: PIE, Indian (Vedic Sanskrit), Iranian, (Avestan), Anatolian, Hellenic, Armenian, Celto-Italian, Germanic, Baltic, Slavic?’<br />(…) Let's not waster time with irrelevancies (…)</i><br /><br />Do whatever you want, but the truth is that your statement is logically invalid. I remind youSKRiBHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932079009530043411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57967210479741446672021-07-19T11:06:57.767-07:002021-07-19T11:06:57.767-07:00@JS, thanks, nothing I don't reckon you wouldn...@JS, thanks, nothing I don't reckon you wouldn't have already thought of from the presentation. Happy to hear if you've got any ideas you want to run by us tho!<br /><br />@Ramber, btw, I think you mentioned upthread using the Dodecad K12b to capture differentiation between populations, and I mentioned how I would do this.<br /><br />Well, this is how I would do it, in case you want Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91165745624243282752021-07-19T11:00:52.957-07:002021-07-19T11:00:52.957-07:00@Matt
Thank you very much for your instructions! ...@Matt<br /><br />Thank you very much for your instructions! I will have a read at first.Ramberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057789585601848229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52149386415691292672021-07-19T07:07:29.446-07:002021-07-19T07:07:29.446-07:00@Matt
Thanks for the link of the SMBE 2021 video ...@Matt<br /><br />Thanks for the link of the SMBE 2021 video talks. Did you have a take on Isabel Alves presentation about Population structure of Brittany(...)? <br /><br />J.S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02333765573671985337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69147076261696439692021-07-19T05:57:38.237-07:002021-07-19T05:57:38.237-07:00OK Ramber, here's a quick guide - https://past...OK Ramber, here's a quick guide - https://pastebin.com/WzXHsKh8<br /><br />If it's lacking in any detail, come back to me or the Anthrogenica R \ admixtools mob and between us I expect we could solve any problems you have running data.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47829427893795186972021-07-19T04:22:44.467-07:002021-07-19T04:22:44.467-07:00@Matt,
Yes I'm very interested in adding more...@Matt,<br /><br />Yes I'm very interested in adding more populations on to the Udmurt data. Can you teach me how to get the software and run the stats?Ramberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057789585601848229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90086296718626312412021-07-19T02:48:12.821-07:002021-07-19T02:48:12.821-07:00Pretty good, although not ideal. If I'm not wr...Pretty good, although not ideal. If I'm not wrong, ANA would be even more African shifted than this. I guess I ought to use more reference samples to filter out any true Eurasian input.<br />Target: MAR_Taforalt:TAF014<br />Distance: 2.4025% / 0.02402495<br />72.2 TAF014_scaled<br />9.6 TUR_Barcin_N<br />9.4 ITA_Villabruna<br />6.6 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG<br />2.2 RUS_Kostenki14<br /><br />And yeah Norfern-Ostrobothnianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08786469674963515571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13465126879254835812021-07-19T02:24:30.137-07:002021-07-19T02:24:30.137-07:00Looks like a weird version of Taforalt TAF014.
Looks like a weird version of Taforalt TAF014.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30929399973874828412021-07-19T02:00:26.972-07:002021-07-19T02:00:26.972-07:00So what is this, an ANA ghost?So what is this, an ANA ghost?CrMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12360895607673279887noreply@blogger.com