tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6297901926191286068..comments2024-03-19T04:06:44.033-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: How relevant is Arslantepe to the PIE homeland debate?Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32725912655983894702018-07-09T00:58:21.300-07:002018-07-09T00:58:21.300-07:00@ Matt
What if the relative constant percentage ...@ Matt <br /><br />What if the relative constant percentage of Neanderthal in Eurasians since 45 000 years ago are a remnant of the Common Ancestor between Neanderthal and Modern Humans ? <br /><br />Early Neanderthal and its ancestor in Spain then a sudden lack of Homonid samples between 300 000 and 250 000 years ago. Then some Modern Humans like technology in Northern India 195 000 years ago Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87434036935899246152018-07-09T00:21:17.513-07:002018-07-09T00:21:17.513-07:00The spread of Early Indo-Europeans seems to be lin...The spread of Early Indo-Europeans seems to be linked to latitude. They seem not to have strayed very far outside these latitudes during the Earlier expansion phases. <br /><br />Maybe Indo-Europeans early on knew that there are a connection between diseases and areas with different climates and ecosystems ? Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67334129668260801062018-07-08T23:28:27.687-07:002018-07-08T23:28:27.687-07:00So was Kura Araxes a Multi-Ethnic Culture maybe on...So was Kura Araxes a Multi-Ethnic Culture maybe only linked to each other by trade ? The link I posted earlier seems to suggest that there were regional differences within the Kura-Araxes Culture....<br /><br />Since Hittite is seen by some as a Sister rather than a Daughter Language of Proto-Indo-European, and if this is true could it be that Proto-Hittites were the ones responsible for the Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68169629034327660442018-07-08T06:34:12.218-07:002018-07-08T06:34:12.218-07:00Also, since you seem to lack basic literature sear...Also, since you seem to lack basic literature search skills. Here is a link to Lazaridis 2016: https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/nature19310_article_0.pdf<br /><br />Go to extended table 2. A hint...it is at the very end.<br /><br />LeeLeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09922322126268076554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87698361873576890942018-07-07T15:24:58.903-07:002018-07-07T15:24:58.903-07:00@supernord.
I think you need to reread "the ...@supernord.<br /><br />I think you need to reread "the genetic history of ice age europe"<br /><br />LeeLeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09922322126268076554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42782846374718532122018-07-07T15:22:38.240-07:002018-07-07T15:22:38.240-07:00@epoch
Not really sure what you are arguing here?...@epoch<br /><br />Not really sure what you are arguing here?<br /><br />Are you stating that whg and el miron have no gene flow-bidiectional or unidirectional, with populations carrying near eastern genetics?<br /><br />If so please relook at the data because that would be a false position.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09922322126268076554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41295519776084449872018-07-07T04:09:00.464-07:002018-07-07T04:09:00.464-07:00Folker said...
"No, it's completely inapp...Folker said...<br />"No, it's completely inappropriate to use "Hittites" for Troy II, as Hittites themselves didn't existed at the time. Nobody serious is using the name "Hittites" before the IId millenium and their first appearance at Kanesh."<br /><br />Do not invent, but that is the name of the Hittites and used for any discussion everywhere and always, supernordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46215302642161026992018-07-06T06:26:08.431-07:002018-07-06T06:26:08.431-07:00@Lee Albee
What you write is simply not true, eve...@Lee Albee<br /><br />What you write is simply not true, even the links you give are false, just a name call, even though there is nothing supporting your words not written. No, that is absolutely no proximity of Paleolithic European samples did not show neither North Africa nor the Middle East, which can clearly be seen in Natufian & Levant_N & Fregel et al.supernordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51934123549457076412018-07-06T06:14:13.655-07:002018-07-06T06:14:13.655-07:00@Supernord
No, it's completely inappropriate ...@Supernord<br /><br />No, it's completely inappropriate to use "Hittites" for Troy II, as Hittites themselves didn't existed at the time. Nobody serious is using the name "Hittites" before the IId millenium and their first appearance at Kanesh.<br /><br />Given the influence of Hattians on Hittites, Hittites came to existence in Hattian territory or in close vicinity. Folkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269054619016691149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60378782771551272702018-07-06T05:56:54.069-07:002018-07-06T05:56:54.069-07:00@Lee Albee
This fact:
"WHG do not show appr...@Lee Albee<br /><br />This fact:<br /><br />"<i>WHG do not show appreciable amounts of BE, but still have this affinity. Again this is a fact.</i><br /><br />..means, in my opinion, that this fact is irrelevant to that affinity:<br /><br />"<i>We do have genetic evidence of aME genetics expanding across North africa during the LGM</i>"<br /><br />Because if it was WHG would show epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62039710308420716952018-07-06T05:05:09.547-07:002018-07-06T05:05:09.547-07:00@epoch
Both El miron and WHG(including villabruna...@epoch<br /><br />Both El miron and WHG(including villabruna) demonstrate some affinity with aME populations, this is a fact.<br /><br />Bidirectional gene flow is definitely seen between WHG and aME.<br /><br />WHG do not show appreciable amounts of BE, but still have this affinity. Again this is a fact.<br /><br />Current 2018 abstracts indicate this flow happened prior to 15k years ago. So Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09922322126268076554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8830110033396286982018-07-06T03:52:28.938-07:002018-07-06T03:52:28.938-07:00Folker said...
"Hittites is the name of the ...Folker said...<br /><br />"Hittites is the name of the IE which took conquered Hatti. Hittite as a language has been heavely influenced by Hattic, and Hittites designed themselves as the people from Kanesh. So, no, it's impossible to use the name "Hittites" about any IE population supposed to have inhabited Troy in the XXIIIth and XIVth"<br /><br />It does not matter from supernordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35244370838126429162018-07-05T21:53:46.224-07:002018-07-05T21:53:46.224-07:00Cool stuff mattCool stuff mattSamuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88424993958632106052018-07-05T21:20:20.905-07:002018-07-05T21:20:20.905-07:00@Lee Albee
"As to Basal Eurasian for El-miro...@Lee Albee<br /><br />"<i>As to Basal Eurasian for El-miron, again so what?</i>"<br /><br />If a BEu and ME carrying population admixed in Europe in can't have left a noticeable ME affinity and no BEu whatsoever. Especially if your theory needs another impulse to explain the extra affinity in Villabruna. So it basically falsifies your theory.epochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369114970416550997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49241007853571457332018-07-05T20:27:42.584-07:002018-07-05T20:27:42.584-07:00@supernod.
Ummm.
I think i already said that Ds...@supernod. <br /><br />Ummm.<br /><br />I think i already said that Dstats showed this??? It was in the Reich paper.<br /><br />Does not mean aME ancestry us not present in El Miron. The reich paper shows this.<br /><br />Be careful on the samples you use in thus comparison. Some indications that whg ancestry moved in the near east during the mesolithic or early neolithic that can skew the Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09922322126268076554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82396036579990634372018-07-05T19:15:38.593-07:002018-07-05T19:15:38.593-07:00@Supernord
About Kroonen, I quote: "This rend...@Supernord<br />About Kroonen, I quote: "This renders it difficult to establish an exact reading of the names and makes it impossible at present to determine the language or languages to which the names from Armi belong with any certainty, except to say that they clearly fall within the Anatolian Indo-European family.Regardless of their exact linguistic background,however,theimplicationsFolkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269054619016691149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51092853523261038192018-07-05T17:17:44.973-07:002018-07-05T17:17:44.973-07:00Off topic once again: Btw, all, updated published ...Off topic once again: Btw, all, updated published version of the McColl preprint from biorxiv shows one *very* interesting new sample; a Jomon hunter gatherer from Japan - <br /><br />http://science.sciencemag.org/content/361/6397/88<br /><br />Their final tree model suggests that Ami have 21:79 Tianyuan:preOnge_postPapuan split. Then Jomon have 62:38 Ami:Hoabinhian ancestry.<br /><br />Overall, Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2999430350571679982018-07-05T16:10:45.262-07:002018-07-05T16:10:45.262-07:00The association between WHG and the Middle East is...The association between WHG and the Middle East is on the fact ancient MEs are slightly closer to WHG than to earlier Europeans. That isn't strong evidence of a ME origin for WHG. <br /><br />Just like Iranian farmer ancestry in Yamnaya, I think Reich's team is wrong about a migration of WHG from Middle East into Europe.<br /><br />Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24740556862779640982018-07-05T16:08:28.247-07:002018-07-05T16:08:28.247-07:00@War Lord
Hittite-like names are attested in Anat...@War Lord<br /><br /><i>Hittite-like names are attested in Anatolia 2500 BC. And I can guarantee you that the mountains and deserts of southern Anatolia are not just the most idyllic place for pastoralists from the South Russian steppe. So why did they mainly occupy the whole southern part of Anatolia?</i><br /><br />@Angantry<br /><br /><i>What is a desert now wasn't always a desert. Have Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-14922986081202786782018-07-05T16:01:42.251-07:002018-07-05T16:01:42.251-07:00SMBE2018
Oral Presentation:
http://evolgen.bi...SMBE2018<br /><br />Oral Presentation:<br /> <a href="http://evolgen.biol.se.tmu.ac.jp/SMBE2018/Oral.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://evolgen.biol.se.tmu.ac.jp/SMBE2018/Oral.pdf</a><br />Poster Group A:<br /> <a href="http://evolgen.biol.se.tmu.ac.jp/SMBE2018/POA.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://evolgen.biol.se.tmu.ac.jp/SMBE2018/POA.pdf</a><br />Poster Group B:<br /> <a href="http://Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10743063977059931442018-07-05T15:41:18.777-07:002018-07-05T15:41:18.777-07:00Lee Albee said...
"El-miron--when looking...Lee Albee said...<br /> "El-miron--when looking at PCA is between WHG and Early farmers. So I think it does have more ancient middle eastern ancestry than does Loschbour. Though D test grees with your assessment However, even if it does not so what? ..."<br /><br />PCA is not a formal test. D-statistics do not support your claims.<br /><br />result: Mbuti.DG Anatolia_N ElMironsupernordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17777603644663074102018-07-05T15:01:40.332-07:002018-07-05T15:01:40.332-07:00Folker said...
"Kroonen infering there were I...Folker said...<br />"Kroonen infering there were IE names."<br /><br />No, Kroonen inferring there were only Anatolian names, but not IE. In this names have not any IE words, roots or suffixes.<br /><br /><br />"Troy II could not have been Hittite in the XXIII/XXXIVthe centuries BC."<br /><br />It could have been, Hittite Kingdom is not first place where were (proto-)Hittitic supernordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2358290447486819902018-07-05T14:35:48.184-07:002018-07-05T14:35:48.184-07:00The Halaf culture was located in the northern Leva...The Halaf culture was located in the northern Levant and southern Turkey during the Chalcolithic, and this was a cattle herding culture.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halaf_culture<br /><br />Obviously, War Lord wasn't aware of this.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33100657603348269182018-07-05T13:59:10.751-07:002018-07-05T13:59:10.751-07:00@War Lord
In addition to what others have said:
...@War Lord<br /><br />In addition to what others have said:<br /><br /><i>And I can guarantee you that the mountains and deserts of southern Anatolia are not just the most idyllic place for pastoralists from the South Russian steppe. So why did they mainly occupy the whole southern part of Anatolia?</i><br /><br />What is a desert now wasn't always a desert. Have you read Anabasis?Angantyrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10737729155560807904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30462667786078498972018-07-05T11:59:38.324-07:002018-07-05T11:59:38.324-07:00@epoch
El-miron--when looking at PCA is between ...@epoch<br /><br />El-miron--when looking at PCA is between WHG and Early farmers. So I think it does have more ancient middle eastern ancestry than does Loschbour. Though D test grees with your assessment However, even if it does not so what? The ME DNA may have introgressed up to 400-3000 years earlier. Dilution over time by a small population of ancient ME into a pre-existing Paleolithic Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09922322126268076554noreply@blogger.com