tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6354036609752532249..comments2024-03-28T08:39:32.244-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Finngolians #2Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82260961651188581512017-10-27T01:40:49.908-07:002017-10-27T01:40:49.908-07:00I thought that the East Asian admixture was though...I thought that the East Asian admixture was thought to have arrived prior to the Iron Age, roughly 2k years ago?Survive the Jivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06884955487416706392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91909929770300835372017-10-26T07:33:18.155-07:002017-10-26T07:33:18.155-07:00
Is this the same Siberian gene flow impacting (to...<br />Is this the same Siberian gene flow impacting (to a greater degree) the Chuvash, Mari, et al?Zhukov1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09137528259630673672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75101283818292683382017-10-23T00:45:36.850-07:002017-10-23T00:45:36.850-07:00@Ryan
Good. All the best, really. Mind you, I did...@Ryan<br /><br />Good. All the best, really. Mind you, I didn't want to imply anything. Basically wanted to share my experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79449088978536817172017-10-22T12:44:35.312-07:002017-10-22T12:44:35.312-07:00@Open - It's not hair samples so much as the f...@Open - It's not hair samples so much as the follicle. I'm not sure tissue would be feasible given how much contamination it would have from her cancer, transfusions, and stem cell transplant. Hopefully this works.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91468794905936140692017-10-21T20:35:13.674-07:002017-10-21T20:35:13.674-07:00@Ryan Prevention Genetics does DNA Banking from sa...@Ryan Prevention Genetics does DNA Banking from saliva samples, and also postmortem blood and tissue samples. THey extract and dessicate the DNA and then store it, so there's no problems with preservation. <br /><br /><a href="https://preventiongenetics.com/pgdnabank/" rel="nofollow">https://preventiongenetics.com/pgdnabank/</a><br /><br />BTW, hair samples just aren't useful!Open Genomeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207443325849433636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9812745131570127382017-10-21T19:19:49.544-07:002017-10-21T19:19:49.544-07:00This is the company:
https://www.securigene.com
...This is the company:<br /><br />https://www.securigene.com<br /><br />They are local but seem to have partners in funeral homes around the world.<br /><br />Kristiina- I ageee with your main point but i would just caution that many of those haplogroups I believe have been found in early kurgans too, so a decent chunk of that could be the older ANE.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67967288703334073512017-10-21T16:46:38.397-07:002017-10-21T16:46:38.397-07:00@Epoch - trust me I am. When she's asleep thou...@Epoch - trust me I am. When she's asleep though or being tended to by nurses, that's when my mind latches on to these things.<br /><br />@David - I gave them a call and it seems saliva doesn't work for someone having blood transfusions. She's had a stem cell transplant and has active leukemia so I guess anything where DNA from the blood can be involved as a no go. They suggested Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2200123264791737932017-10-21T10:38:22.409-07:002017-10-21T10:38:22.409-07:00Craig Faber
"This unusual (basic kinship ter...Craig Faber<br /><br />"This unusual (basic kinship terms are rarely borrowed), but it's consistent with Uralic-speaking traders marrying into local populations and adopting the local words for "son". "daughter", "brother", "sister", but preserving contacts with an extended-family network over a wider region, along with the Uralic terms for those Slumberyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139930329199925111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55902788254860175382017-10-21T10:07:14.352-07:002017-10-21T10:07:14.352-07:00Historical linguists that I've read think that...Historical linguists that I've read think that Proto-Uralic spread as trade language in the Bronze Age. This accounts for some peculiarities of the structure of the language family, usually described as bush or comb, rather than the tree structure that results when languages spread by migration. The Uralic languages have pattern of adopting immediate-family kinship terms from substratum Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02405542521669952060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17973073262963269302017-10-21T08:05:15.539-07:002017-10-21T08:05:15.539-07:00Just discussing the CWC in Southern Finland with a...Just discussing the CWC in Southern Finland with an acquaintance living in Finland. I shared this article with her: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kerkko_Nordqvist/publication/272710773_Distribution_of_corded_ware_in_the_areas_north_of_the_Gulf_of_Finland_-_An_update/links/551ac7e90cf2bb754077cc38/Distribution-of-corded-ware-in-the-areas-north-of-the-Gulf-of-Finland-An-update.pdfjvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56225834039578825852017-10-21T08:01:04.650-07:002017-10-21T08:01:04.650-07:00@Davidski
Have you ever done analysis on any of t...@Davidski<br /><br />Have you ever done analysis on any of the burusho samples ? I am just curious as to whether they have the highest ANE Ancestry, Since they seem to have the highest percentage of unresovled R.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073556090970796476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17819801735045477682017-10-20T23:43:51.974-07:002017-10-20T23:43:51.974-07:00@Davidski "the precise time of arrival of pos...@Davidski "the precise time of arrival of post-ANE Siberian (ie. East Asian) admixture is still unknown."<br /><br />If one takes a look at the Mesolithic mtDNA from West Siberia (4000-3000 BC), it looks very much modern Siberian and Native American: D4, Z1a, C4, C1, A10 + European U5a, U4 and U2e; and this area is not in East Asia but just east of the Urals, north of Kazakhstan close Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72672956285519039632017-10-20T15:36:54.244-07:002017-10-20T15:36:54.244-07:00The Urals lived in Siberia in the Taiga, as establ...The Urals lived in Siberia in the Taiga, as established by linguists and ethnographers. They arrived in Eastern Europe from Siberia, no earlier than the spread of Net Pottery Culture in the second Millennium BC, after there left representatives of the Fatyanovo culture due to the spread of the Taiga.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71401032300849587262017-10-20T15:20:57.678-07:002017-10-20T15:20:57.678-07:00I'm guessing that post ANE Siberian arrived in...I'm guessing that post ANE Siberian arrived in Finland with Comb Ceramic culture around the late 6th millennium BCE. It seems to be the unifying factor for such ancestry in northern Eurasia, and it lines up well with the available archaeological and genetic evidence eg. Earliest comb ceramic pottery and earliest Yhg N found in Neolithic Northeast China, spreading across northern Eurasia from Synomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02168979109558144980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51631008448334203872017-10-20T14:55:17.439-07:002017-10-20T14:55:17.439-07:00@Synome,
As far as I know that sounds right. Exce...@Synome,<br /><br />As far as I know that sounds right. Except, I doubt pre Uralic Finland had any Siberian admixture. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89074330070504743232017-10-20T14:50:12.962-07:002017-10-20T14:50:12.962-07:00@Synome
That sounds about right, although the pre...@Synome<br /><br />That sounds about right, although the precise time of arrival of post-ANE Siberian (ie. East Asian) admixture is still unknown.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70582436970766157602017-10-20T14:32:41.635-07:002017-10-20T14:32:41.635-07:00I imagine the pre Uralic people of Finland as on t...I imagine the pre Uralic people of Finland as on the EHG/SHG continuum with Siberian admixture. There was also probably a large Corded Ware contribution during the BA. Then the Finno Ugric speakers would have arrived, who themselves may have looked like EHG or Corded Ware with Siberian admixture.<br /><br />Does that sound about right?Synomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02168979109558144980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69654422168313343572017-10-20T09:05:01.895-07:002017-10-20T09:05:01.895-07:00@Ryan
Ryan, go to your mother, spend every minute...@Ryan<br /><br />Ryan, go to your mother, spend every minute with her and worry about DNA another time. Really. As someone who has been there I can tell you you're going to regret every minute you didn't spend with her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12426235380406988942017-10-20T08:38:11.639-07:002017-10-20T08:38:11.639-07:00I'm pretty sure that I know what methods they ...I'm pretty sure that I know what methods they used, and I'm also sure that there's no Mongolian admixture in Finland, otherwise it would've been detected by now with a variety of methods, including via uniparental markers.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45125671948241879142017-10-20T08:31:15.840-07:002017-10-20T08:31:15.840-07:00While it is likely that what the authors detect is...While it is likely that what the authors detect is ancient Siberian admixture rather than "more recent" Mongolian admixture, without knowing their full methodology I am not sure that the tirade against the authors is warranted given huge gaping holes in population genetics of more "recent" history (past couple thousand years).<br /><br />There remain enormously open questions MomOfZohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09787348878657753214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79002019527166079842017-10-20T07:11:12.635-07:002017-10-20T07:11:12.635-07:00Interesting.Interesting.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62484897167319443882017-10-20T05:00:21.249-07:002017-10-20T05:00:21.249-07:00@Davidski ”Middle Ages date for the eastern introg...@Davidski ”Middle Ages date for the eastern introgression in Finns, and Buryats as the source”<br /><br />Yes, if one takes a look at Wikipedia, one sees what happened in Buryatia in the middle Ages:<br /><br />“The Buryat people are descended from various Siberian and Mongol peoples that inhabited the Lake Baikal Region including Kurykans, who are also the ancestors of the Siberian Turkic Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22724052284771712662017-10-20T03:53:10.109-07:002017-10-20T03:53:10.109-07:00@Ryan
Ask someone at the hospital to help you sto...@Ryan<br /><br />Ask someone at the hospital to help you store a saliva sample. But in the near future it probably won't be much of a problem to get a full genome sequence from a hair sample, so get that as well.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74057525626160840242017-10-20T03:44:23.064-07:002017-10-20T03:44:23.064-07:00Sorry for the off topic question, but does anyone ...Sorry for the off topic question, but does anyone know anything about DNA preservation? My mom is going to pass in the next day or two and I was thinking of looking into something like Securigene, though I need to see what options they have other than a blood sample (leukemia and a bone marrow transplant mean her blood is all the donors or the cancer).<br /><br />Anyone know anything about this? Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906194112935320590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34732468064054485702017-10-20T03:11:35.271-07:002017-10-20T03:11:35.271-07:00I'd need higher coverage samples to confirm th...I'd need higher coverage samples to confirm that find, but in any case, to propose a Middle Ages date for the eastern introgression in Finns, and Buryats as the source, is not even controversial, it's just sloppy work.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com