tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post674511505114412184..comments2024-03-18T18:30:48.719-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: High female mobility in Bronze Age EuropeDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42302443207640549432015-05-28T02:23:15.550-07:002015-05-28T02:23:15.550-07:00David,
Can you please, post the Ajv' results...David,<br /><br />Can you please, post the Ajv' results, for SteppeK10 and for TealK9<br />Helgenes50https://www.blogger.com/profile/10048641344885582425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87801625333992571202015-05-27T13:08:21.369-07:002015-05-27T13:08:21.369-07:00Does anyone know if the DNA file of the Mesolithic...Does anyone know if the DNA file of the Mesolithic individual from Stora Karlsö Island is available online? It's not SF11. <br /><br />http://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:645462/FULLTEXT01.pdf<br /><br />"We used the Illumina HiSeq platform to obtain a total of 2,250,928 sequences<br />that could be confidently aligned to the human genome, and found strongly<br />elevated levels ofKrefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78347275923051780552015-05-26T17:10:59.171-07:002015-05-26T17:10:59.171-07:00Yes, they should've.Yes, they should've. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79421464348795338232015-05-26T16:54:47.304-07:002015-05-26T16:54:47.304-07:00Yeah, you mean this...
"A Chronological Atla...Yeah, you mean this...<br /><br />"A Chronological Atlas of Natural Selection in the Human Genome during the Past Half-million Years"<br /><br />http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/05/26/018929<br /><br />They should have included the samples from LN/EBA Europe.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9603069117071784052015-05-26T16:46:58.594-07:002015-05-26T16:46:58.594-07:00This is interesting!!
http://biorxiv.org/content/...This is interesting!!<br /><br />http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/05/26/018929.full.pdfAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1211711923899175692015-05-26T12:10:56.658-07:002015-05-26T12:10:56.658-07:00Maybe the Bronze age is why when we only had ancie...Maybe the Bronze age is why when we only had ancient mtDNA and Y DNA, people couldn't find continuum with any Pre-Historic and modern Europeans. We know the reason continuum in Y DNA couldn't be found is because of Bronze age Mega-Founder lineages(which people at first assumed were Paleolithic lineages). Maybe the reason continuum in mtDNA couldn't be found is for an opposite reason; Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89334925789736429572015-05-26T10:07:16.195-07:002015-05-26T10:07:16.195-07:00Capra, Yes but they are hunting for more and it se...Capra, Yes but they are hunting for more and it seems Iron Deposits have Higher Concentration is South than North-<br />http://www.portal.gsi.gov.in/portal/page?_pageid=127,697649&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL<br />i suspect maybe the metallurgist came from North though the reverse is also probable.<br />a, i'm intrigued why the same pattern:)?Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-586329524980079952015-05-26T09:48:32.486-07:002015-05-26T09:48:32.486-07:00Forgot a bit
" Aren't the changes see in...Forgot a bit<br /><br />" Aren't the changes see in LN Europe thought to be (predominantly) due to invading steppic men ?"<br /><br />There was a paper (forgot the name) which talked about certain clades of mtdna H going up in central and eastern Europe which seemed like it might be an independent process from the big population movements.<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83073661427539418512015-05-26T09:47:43.123-07:002015-05-26T09:47:43.123-07:00@Nirjhar
That's a really cool find. The surpr...@Nirjhar<br /><br />That's a really cool find. The surprising thing is not so much finding some iron objects - they turn up here and there in the Bronze Age - but how far south it is at that period. <br /> <br />The reporting is typically sensationalist - this doesn't actually push back the Iron Age, because that is not defined by *any* production of iron, but by large scale production. capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74269389113637511932015-05-26T09:42:41.962-07:002015-05-26T09:42:41.962-07:00@Mike Thomas
"Actually, the practice of exog...@Mike Thomas<br /><br />"Actually, the practice of exogamy is not underrated. In fact, it has well been recognized (at least hypothesized) long before genetic and isotopic studies."<br /><br />I think the key thing here is the long distances mentioned, local exogamy is one thing but long distance could explain for example how those Iberian clades of mtdna H could spread so far from Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84143990461110602352015-05-26T09:15:20.052-07:002015-05-26T09:15:20.052-07:00Yuri
FWIW- I think exotic X2e is found in Georgi...Yuri<br /><br /> FWIW- I think exotic X2e is found in Georgians/Southern Caucasus. I can't remember 100%- but it is also found in Altai regions.<br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180497/ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00239954589937094679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53988290077489860602015-05-26T08:30:45.164-07:002015-05-26T08:30:45.164-07:00Nirjhar007
Sorry I don't think they have a fir...Nirjhar007<br />Sorry I don't think they have a firm understanding. Otherwise they would be more specific about the differences in the snp's[regional distribution] found in Yamnaya samples and various N.E populations. You do realize that K14 is on the magnitude 30+ thousand years older than the Yamnaya samples right? Yet comparing World 9 shows somewhat different elements. Why is that, ifahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00239954589937094679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1621348654445848132015-05-26T08:09:11.374-07:002015-05-26T08:09:11.374-07:00a,
Those who don't know much about those stuff...a,<br />Those who don't know much about those stuff you just showed:), can you generally tell that what they mean? specially the first.Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71633235514502106262015-05-26T08:08:15.691-07:002015-05-26T08:08:15.691-07:00In the Pacific, where Austronesians were matriloca...In the Pacific, where Austronesians were matrilocal, in some populations nearly 100% of the Y-DNA is native while nearly 100% percent of the mtDNA is Austronesian. It doesn't mean that Austronesian women married Papuan men en masse, of course, but probably the combined effect over time of matrilocality followed by further migration, plus bottlenecks as they hopped from island to island. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65759839626907126752015-05-26T08:07:56.656-07:002015-05-26T08:07:56.656-07:00^^^
Above correction. 1 sample from R1b Eastern Eu...^^^<br />Above correction. 1 sample from R1b Eastern Europe. 1 R1b Sample from Samara and 1 sample from K14= ydna C. :)ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00239954589937094679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4811130321728668392015-05-26T08:04:32.510-07:002015-05-26T08:04:32.510-07:00Using MLDP-world9 calc and comparing Caucaus_Parsi...Using MLDP-world9 calc and comparing Caucaus_Parsia component among some ancient/modern r1b-z2103+r1a [5k+/-]samples + [36K+/-Kostenki 14]. <br /><br /># Population Percent<br />1 North_and_East_European 53.15<br />2 Caucaus_Parsia 29.66<br />3 South_and_West_European 10.81<br />4 Arctic_Amerind 3.86<br />5 Indian 1.84<br /><br /># Population Percent<br />1 North_and_East_European 50.53<br />2 ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00239954589937094679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52615078579088700772015-05-26T06:33:09.649-07:002015-05-26T06:33:09.649-07:00Ah Yes Some Interesting News from India-
http://nj...Ah Yes Some Interesting News from India-<br />http://njsaryablog.blogspot.in/2015/05/i-came-to-know-about-discovery-from.htmlNirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43607195384376828362015-05-26T05:50:55.053-07:002015-05-26T05:50:55.053-07:00Ah Nice Study, Just that I don't buy which Dav...Ah Nice Study, Just that I don't buy which David wants to come true that Samara-Yamnaya got their NE like ancestry from Females only there were Male intrusions certainly from the South, investigations from specific areas will certainly show that, actually imo Male migrate more rapidly than women......Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7868235963273027472015-05-26T03:57:22.053-07:002015-05-26T03:57:22.053-07:00Yes, I agree. Yes, I agree. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259212254098264600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69398420857378606712015-05-26T03:01:59.271-07:002015-05-26T03:01:59.271-07:00It looks like it took a couple of thousand years f...It looks like it took a couple of thousand years for the southern ancestry on the steppe to reach 40 or 50%, depending on how literally we take the modeling in Haak et al. So it wasn't a sudden process and the women probably didn't come from one culture and area.<br /><br />I don't see why the Khvalynsk culture wouldn't be involved in this sort of thing to some extent? The Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60738687907129581352015-05-26T02:35:56.558-07:002015-05-26T02:35:56.558-07:00David
Thanks for highlighting these great studie...David <br /><br />Thanks for highlighting these great studies <br /><br />Actually, the practice of exogamy is not underrated. In fact, it has well been recognized (at least hypothesized) long before genetic and isotopic studies. <br /><br />The issue here is whether it can account for the entirety of what we see, eg in the Samara Yamnaya genomes. <br /><br />My cautions relate to: <br /><br />1)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259212254098264600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59885573258362026512015-05-25T22:41:53.626-07:002015-05-25T22:41:53.626-07:00"I have a feeling that this generally underra..."I have a feeling that this generally underrated phenomenon will become much less underrated in the near future, and might even be recognized as a major factor in the formation of the modern European gene pool."<br /><br />Agree.<br /><br />Bell Beaker trade networks would be my guess with BB marrying endogamously within themselves but over long distances between trade nodes and also Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.com