tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6751178044303901896..comments2024-03-28T06:30:18.217-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Alexey Nikitin: Interpreting the genetic ancestry of the first kurgan buildersDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger399125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-64684637742661669792023-06-30T11:34:01.049-07:002023-06-30T11:34:01.049-07:00@Davidski
"Norwegians and Swedes don't s...@Davidski<br /><br />"Norwegians and Swedes don't show the same level of genealogical relatedness as CWC and Yamnaya you fucking idiot."<br /><br />Based on what? They share similar autosomal profiles, uniparentals, and strong IBD hits. Oslo is literally 200 km from Sweden.<br /><br />"My hypothesis has always been that Corded Ware and Yamnaya derive from the same population.<DragonHermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507168541968668662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69179943530413323662023-06-26T20:31:27.720-07:002023-06-26T20:31:27.720-07:00@Romulus
My hypothesis has always been that Corde...@Romulus<br /><br />My hypothesis has always been that Corded Ware and Yamnaya derive from the same population.<br /><br />This is correct. <br /><br />Whether we call this ancestral population Yamnaya, proto-Yamnaya or something else is still up for debate.<br /><br />My opinion has generally been that this population should not be called Yamnaya. The evidence for this is in my blog posts going Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47410850510324673962023-06-26T19:53:48.908-07:002023-06-26T19:53:48.908-07:00Yes lets not forget your greatest catchphrase &quo...Yes lets not forget your greatest catchphrase "Corded Ware comes from Yamnaya because early Corded Ware is identical to Yamnaya"<br /><br />The basis? One female from a Baltic Corded Ware context. <br /><br />The special pleading? Ignoring literally hundreds of other Corded Ware samples uniformly containing ~30% Farmer ancestry.<br /><br />Then your follow up bullshit: "All Corded Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61835354421435453632023-06-24T01:37:57.333-07:002023-06-24T01:37:57.333-07:00@ Romulus
“Late Tripolje” is somewhat distinct to...@ Romulus <br />“Late Tripolje” is somewhat distinct to early Trypillia farmers Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71604001483802608462023-06-23T23:54:07.571-07:002023-06-23T23:54:07.571-07:00@Romulus
Hey bullshit artist.
https://eurogenes....@Romulus<br /><br />Hey bullshit artist.<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/02/early-baltic-corded-ware-form-genetic.html<br /><br />Just a random example from five years ago.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47373957457461545502023-06-23T18:38:12.059-07:002023-06-23T18:38:12.059-07:00Davidski 2012->2021
R1a-M417 was in Yamnaya an...Davidski 2012->2021<br /><br />R1a-M417 was in Yamnaya and Corded Ware comes from Yamnaya, you are a moron if you disagree. <br /><br />Davidski 2021 -> Present <br /><br />Well I guess in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary Corded Ware actually comes from the "Forest Steppe". What is the Forest Steppe? Well it's not Trypillia despite that being the only Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62650789207244681112023-06-23T17:55:05.879-07:002023-06-23T17:55:05.879-07:00@Rob
I don't know exactly how P312 evolved an...@Rob<br /><br />I don't know exactly how P312 evolved and expanded.<br /><br />I'm talking about the origins of Bell Beakers, which, based on archeological and genetic data, look like an offshoot of Rhenish Single Grave peoples.<br /><br />So the Dutch model, which is nothing new, is basically correct.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72126304447384563372023-06-23T17:52:58.699-07:002023-06-23T17:52:58.699-07:00I've come across some additional tid-bits rega...I've come across some additional tid-bits regarding various steppe samples being chatted about<br /><br />* Ukr_Mes structure: 2 mesolithic Derievkans (a female, and R1a-male) are west-shifted, plotting with the Ukr_N cluster, whilst the Meso individuals from further south on the Dnieper are more east-shifted<br /><br />* the 'hyper-steppe' Boyanovo are actually quite late. One of Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30367343842064578572023-06-23T17:52:39.668-07:002023-06-23T17:52:39.668-07:00@Romulus
???
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2021...@Romulus<br /><br />???<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2021/07/on-origin-of-corded-ware-people.html<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82919190697201987812023-06-23T17:51:02.454-07:002023-06-23T17:51:02.454-07:00@DragonHermit
Norwegians and Swedes don't sh...@DragonHermit <br /><br />Norwegians and Swedes don't show the same level of genealogical relatedness as CWC and Yamnaya you fucking idiot.<br /><br />What is wrong with you?<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61108866801645939092023-06-23T15:42:46.970-07:002023-06-23T15:42:46.970-07:00@ Dave
if we were to be specific, the data point t...@ Dave<br />if we were to be specific, the data point to a trifurcation of R1b-P312 in SW Germany Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55954136130009982092023-06-23T12:04:22.932-07:002023-06-23T12:04:22.932-07:00Davidski, I noticed TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_C:I10543 ...Davidski, I noticed TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_C:I10543 is not included in G25 along with the other three Ilipinar C samples. Is that because of contamination or something? It's available to look at in Genoplot calculators and seems to have a relatively large North Sea/Atlantic component in K15 Ancient, so I was curious what it looked like in PCA.BeefWellingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07967788468805320337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47268069644275332432023-06-23T11:45:57.509-07:002023-06-23T11:45:57.509-07:00Where is the R1a-m417 in Yamnaya?
Where is the R1...Where is the R1a-m417 in Yamnaya? <br />Where is the R1b-L51 in SGC? <br /><br />Your Bell Beaker "story" is based on samples that don't exist just like your story about Corded Ware originating in Yamnaya was. What's more, both stories are directly contradicted by the samples that do exist. <br /><br />Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15292550686494202522023-06-23T10:16:05.424-07:002023-06-23T10:16:05.424-07:00@Davidski
"Can you confirm that you understa...@Davidski<br /><br />"Can you confirm that you understand that Yamnaya and CWC both originated in the same part of the steppe, kept contact with each other and were genealogically closely related?<br /><br />Yes or no?<br /><br />Of course if you say yes then you've lost the argument with me."<br /><br />Everything you mentioned can be applied to Norwegians and Swedes:<br /><br />- DragonHermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507168541968668662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70900038744717935422023-06-23T00:27:04.016-07:002023-06-23T00:27:04.016-07:00@Romulus
No idea why you're babbling about M4...@Romulus<br /><br />No idea why you're babbling about M417 you retarded piece of crap.<br /><br />The Bell Beaker story has been known for a while, thanks to this blog.<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/01/single-grave-bell-beakers.html<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81145553665930867412023-06-22T23:53:19.664-07:002023-06-22T23:53:19.664-07:00@ vlad
“This sample from the Middle Don, of cours...@ vlad<br /><br />“This sample from the Middle Don, of course, is not directly related to either Yamnaya or CWC. It is fundamentally important for understanding that the CHG are not new migrants to the steppe after 4500 BC, but were in the steppe long before that. Well, the fact that there are rumors that this sample is R1a-M417.”<br /><br />It’s not the veracity of <i>sample</i> which I doubt Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-15562589914877529522023-06-22T20:46:16.951-07:002023-06-22T20:46:16.951-07:00preaches R1a-m417 for a decade of his life then ha...preaches R1a-m417 for a decade of his life then has the audacity to call others morons, you are wrong about literally everythingRomulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56150933163134545572023-06-22T20:24:12.573-07:002023-06-22T20:24:12.573-07:00@Romulus
Single Grave is Corded Ware from The Net...@Romulus<br /><br />Single Grave is Corded Ware from The Netherlands, northwestern Germany and Denmark.<br /><br />That's where the Bell Beakers came from. This is known as the Dutch model.<br /><br />Effin moron.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1586716200627612242023-06-22T14:15:57.868-07:002023-06-22T14:15:57.868-07:00Speaking of Nikitin, he published an article on St...Speaking of Nikitin, he published an article on Stratum Plus stating that, in his view, Yamnaya emerged in the Dniester-Dnieper region from steppe-icized late Tripolje groups such as Gordinesti. Essentially summarises the data for progressive admixture between Sredni Stog & Trypolje (citing his own work, Immel, Mathieson, etc). <br /><br />I’ve nothing against that as <i>one component </i> Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34300808271005864002023-06-22T11:42:08.503-07:002023-06-22T11:42:08.503-07:00Early CT + Sredny Stog -> Heterogeneous Late CT...Early CT + Sredny Stog -> Heterogeneous Late CT groups -> R1b-L51 Corded Ware Groups living North of the Alps -> German Beakers -> All other Beakers<br /><br /><br />Early CT + Sredny Stog -> Heterogeneous Late CT groups -> Danish SGC Groups with R1b V6136 autosomally similar to Unetice and not to Beakers -> dead endRomulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49141240573306232882023-06-22T03:45:56.272-07:002023-06-22T03:45:56.272-07:00@EastPole
Corded Ware > Single Grave > Bell...@EastPole<br /><br />Corded Ware > Single Grave > Bell Beakers<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43879107781383669252023-06-22T03:09:31.984-07:002023-06-22T03:09:31.984-07:00@DragonHermit
“Mate, what are you talking about? ...@DragonHermit <br />“Mate, what are you talking about? Corded Ware is not just Balto-Slavic and Indo-Aryan. It's Germanic, Celtic, Italic, etc... You'd have to reconstruct a super-language with all of these while excluding, Greek, Phrygian, Armenian, Albanian, Thracian, Dacian, etc.. It's just not possibile”<br /><br />Corded Ware was Indo-Slavonic. It is comparatively secure because EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65532081893140727502023-06-21T17:10:11.625-07:002023-06-21T17:10:11.625-07:00@Agelmund
Firstly, distance calculations using th...@Agelmund<br /><br />Firstly, distance calculations using the G25 are based on 25 dimensions of genetic variation, while a 3D PCA plot only shows three dimensions.<br /><br />Secondly, regional PCA analyses, like the African PCA, are only useful for studying the populations that are represented in the PCA. So you won't get reliable information about WHG from an African PCA because WHG is not Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12027140832804673532023-06-21T16:02:26.472-07:002023-06-21T16:02:26.472-07:00@DragonHermit
Can you confirm that you understand...@DragonHermit<br /><br />Can you confirm that you understand that Yamnaya and CWC both originated in the same part of the steppe, kept contact with each other and were genealogically closely related?<br /><br />Yes or no?<br /><br />Of course if you say yes then you've lost the argument with me.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87609140917361838172023-06-21T15:56:11.086-07:002023-06-21T15:56:11.086-07:00@East Pole
Mate, what are you talking about? Cord...@East Pole<br /><br />Mate, what are you talking about? Corded Ware is not just Balto-Slavic and Indo-Aryan. It's Germanic, Celtic, Italic, etc... You'd have to reconstruct a super-language with all of these while excluding, Greek, Phrygian, Armenian, Albanian, Thracian, Dacian, etc.. It's just not possible.<br /><br />I'm not even biased against the idea of what Davidski is DragonHermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507168541968668662noreply@blogger.com