tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6791520545649889063..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: New Global25 interpretation toolsDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger103125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38097380366361811902020-12-28T23:40:47.714-08:002020-12-28T23:40:47.714-08:00@Davidski,
Can you upload these Khasi samples fro...@Davidski,<br /><br />Can you upload these Khasi samples from Meghalaya from this study into G25 datasheet please?:<br /><br />https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/28/2/1013/1220271<br /><br />And also can you upload these Indonesian samples (Sumatra, Mentawai, Nias, Sulawesi, Sumba, Flores, Lembata, Pantar and Alor) from these studies into your G25 spreadsheet please?<br /><br />https://Ramberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057789585601848229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30190337308847134012020-11-29T12:31:41.550-08:002020-11-29T12:31:41.550-08:00Boo, hiss to the tantalizing paper followed by no ...Boo, hiss to the tantalizing paper followed by no data. Maybe I'll try a private request for these data. Anyhow it makes sense to me that there would be an epi-paleozoic bi-directional people/gene flow from the Transcaucasus area, through the maze-like valleys of the Karasu-Aras Mountains into the Eastern Taurus Mountains and eventually to the Konya area of Anatolia (as described in the Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02516955030304991323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72628965292763392002020-11-28T22:08:42.174-08:002020-11-28T22:08:42.174-08:00The Dzudzuana manuscript was never published and t...The Dzudzuana manuscript was never published and the data never released.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59097374796566165972020-11-28T21:02:38.942-08:002020-11-28T21:02:38.942-08:00Dzudzuana is mentioned often in this thread. Quest...Dzudzuana is mentioned often in this thread. Question: are there G25 components available somewhere for Dzudzuana? Did I miss them by another name in the eurogenes DB? Appreciated.....Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02516955030304991323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30566599628777747792020-08-14T19:26:36.333-07:002020-08-14T19:26:36.333-07:00I put up a new blog post about the 3D PCA viewers ...I put up a new blog post about the 3D PCA viewers here...<br /><br />https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/08/awesome-new-toys-from-vahaduo.html<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67057785787730051622020-08-14T16:13:19.546-07:002020-08-14T16:13:19.546-07:00Hi everyone!
New tool - PCA 3D Viewer.
Global 2...Hi everyone! <br /><br />New tool - PCA 3D Viewer.<br /><br />Global 25 version:<br /><br />https://vahaduo.github.io/3d/g25<br /><br />West Eurasia version:<br /><br />https://vahaduo.github.io/3d/we<br /><br /><br />Usage:<br /><br />Dots - ancients, circles - moderns.<br /><br />Click X, Y, Z or COLOR tab and then click one of the PCx buttons to switch dimensions.<br /><br />Click already vahaduohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11045408248287178465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-2111604902188511212020-08-13T15:54:25.699-07:002020-08-13T15:54:25.699-07:00@gamerz
Yeah because they didn't have dzudzuan...@gamerz<br />Yeah because they didn't have dzudzuana sample so they had to do their best with what they had I guess.vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90532702338161684992020-08-13T08:36:24.332-07:002020-08-13T08:36:24.332-07:00@vAsiSTha
Yeah Barcin_N seems to be a clade with ...@vAsiSTha<br /><br />Yeah Barcin_N seems to be a clade with Pinarbasi (or closely related-maybe Barcin_N has some CHG-like ancestry) though other farmers are apparently not? <br /><br />In that Pinarbasi paper they modeled it as a mix of WHG-related and Natufian-related lineages which is a bit different than the model in the Lazaridis paper.<br /><br />gamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63016366826319005982020-08-12T16:15:56.544-07:002020-08-12T16:15:56.544-07:00"Where did Lazaridis say that? I don't th..."Where did Lazaridis say that? I don't think Pinarbasi=Dudzuana albeit Anatolian farmers were consistent with being a clade with Dudzuana in his paper IIRC."<br /><br />Yeah he does say barcin_n not pinarbasi, don't think pinarbasi was published at that point in time but I maybe wrong.<br /><br />But i do not find pinarbasi to be different from anatolia_n. In qpAdm, pinarbasi invAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63555943565899059402020-08-12T12:30:00.289-07:002020-08-12T12:30:00.289-07:00@Michalis Moriopoulos,
Looking at mtDNA/Y DNA, th...@Michalis Moriopoulos,<br /><br />Looking at mtDNA/Y DNA, the Near East link which geneticists make for WHG, seems unlikely. <br /><br />Almost all WHG carried mtDNA U5, if you ignore ANE mtDNA in Eastern Europe. Yet, we see no mtDNA U5 in Near East. But, we do see pre-U5 in Gravitean. <br /><br />There is Y DNA J in Near East, but there is Y DNA I* in Gravitean. This places WHG's mtDNA/Y DNASamuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55969468530793831312020-08-12T12:23:54.912-07:002020-08-12T12:23:54.912-07:00@Michalis Moriopoulos,
You commented on last thre...@Michalis Moriopoulos,<br /><br />You commented on last thread, saying you dis agree on my opinon WHG is from Italy.<br /><br />You make good points. We have many DNA samples from Gravitean Italy dating ~28ky and they are clearly not the ancestors of later WHG people who lived in Italy at least by 17ky. This is undisputable. <br /><br />I agree, WHG itself did not originate in Italy. But, I thinkSamuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63105855532809284972020-08-12T07:56:25.208-07:002020-08-12T07:56:25.208-07:00@vAsiSTha
"Isn't AnatolianHG ancestry ba...@vAsiSTha<br /><br />"Isn't AnatolianHG ancestry basically dzudzuana? That's what laziridis says. Pinarbasi = drifted dzudzuana with jo additional ancestry required is his model."<br /><br />Where did Lazaridis say that? I don't think Pinarbasi=Dudzuana albeit Anatolian farmers were consistent with being a clade with Dudzuana in his paper IIRC. <br />gamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53080549953937036882020-08-12T07:54:56.331-07:002020-08-12T07:54:56.331-07:00@Michalis Moriopoulos
"Maybe Basal Eurasian ...@Michalis Moriopoulos<br /><br />"Maybe Basal Eurasian ancestry postdates Villabruna-type ancestry in Anatolia and the Caucasus. How can we know? "<br /><br />Could you please elaborate on that? I thought WHG did not have BE ancestrygamerz_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10051893158540001073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35729499561979179082020-08-12T06:28:36.302-07:002020-08-12T06:28:36.302-07:00Isn't AnatolianHG ancestry basically dzudzuana...Isn't AnatolianHG ancestry basically dzudzuana? That's what laziridis says. Pinarbasi = drifted dzudzuana with jo additional ancestry required is his model.<br /><br />And what real difference does it make if ancestry of some sample is from Balkans or Italy 17000 years back? They're hardly 1000-2000km away from each other, not 10000km away<br />vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71472011560493983272020-08-11T19:59:55.279-07:002020-08-11T19:59:55.279-07:00“ East Gravette is very different from West Gravet...“ East Gravette is very different from West Gravette, it's different cultural entities”<br /><br />It’s actually more complex than that. There’s early, middle and late Gravettian phases ; and a number of regional facies; and that’s not even getting into the <i>epi</i>Gravettian <br />The eastern Gravettian mostly develops in the Late Gravettian (29,000-> ) contains the Kostenki-Avdeevo Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84381525832584468162020-08-11T19:43:15.943-07:002020-08-11T19:43:15.943-07:00@ Archie
“ There is no continuous development fr...@ Archie <br /><br />“ There is no continuous development from the Gravette culture to the Epigravette culture, it's just an archaeological fact. ”<br /><br />Not quite . It depends where you’re talking about and which phase <br />Eg from 30000 BP Italy gravettian to 22000 epigravettian is continuous; but a modest change occurs ; 18000<br />But in Russia the change occurs 25000; with absoluteRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80517181231035578142020-08-11T18:52:59.039-07:002020-08-11T18:52:59.039-07:00There is no continuous development from the Gravet...There is no continuous development from the Gravette culture to the Epigravette culture, it's just an archaeological fact. East Gravette is very different from West Gravette, it's different cultural entities. Gravette is defined as a multitude of separate cultures that are united by a common tradition.<br /><br />"And generally; there is a paucity of paleolithic sites on Anatolia . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22714545524206169102020-08-11T18:13:10.618-07:002020-08-11T18:13:10.618-07:00Using the Celtic vs Germanic PCA data should work ...Using the Celtic vs Germanic PCA data should work great using the custom option the way you did. Right now, it expects exactly 25 coordinates. But, you should be able to try either optimizer and the presets, as well as tweaking the parameters just like with the G25. <br /><br />I thought a future modification I could make would be to allow the number of coordinates to vary for the custom as long Randwulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11165379202871476140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9674139612197501892020-08-11T18:10:33.529-07:002020-08-11T18:10:33.529-07:00@ Michalis
“ They presumably totally replaced Ve...@ Michalis <br /><br />“ They presumably totally replaced Vestonice type people in Italy by the time of Villabruna proper, Grotta Continenza, and maybe this new Alpine samples”<br /><br />There is some cultural continuity ; not to mention mtDNA U2-8 in Italian samples <br /><br /><br />“ And frankly, I don't see what's so crazy about an ultimate Anatolian origin either.”<br /><br />The Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9135549335209829982020-08-11T18:07:06.969-07:002020-08-11T18:07:06.969-07:00The algorithms are different on all of these. You ...The algorithms are different on all of these. You will get different results, but I would say they are in the same ballpark because they are all ways to do optimization and they are operating with the same data.Randwulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11165379202871476140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77252287651203031382020-08-11T18:02:42.046-07:002020-08-11T18:02:42.046-07:00A problem again lies with traditional terminology....A problem again lies with traditional terminology. Too many areas are called “epigravettian” when they shouldn’t be; implying a unity which did not exist until the later phases (after ~ 20,000) when wide areas of Europe became reconnected <br />Eg The Post ice age industry at Kostenki & other Don sites has nothing to do with the preceding Gravettian, so should be called something different. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75654546804211034402020-08-11T18:01:01.014-07:002020-08-11T18:01:01.014-07:00If these clowns do not solve the Dzudzuana mystery...If these clowns do not solve the Dzudzuana mystery don't expect to found out what exactly happened with this basal ancestry to Villabruna and later WHG.There is definitely some eastern admixture into EU of 'basal' origins/roots..Btw what Archi wrote is pretty much correct.Many people passing El Miron,La Brana etc as WHG..witch is completely wrong.i dont want to be argumentative but CHG Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13912477250408249072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43532354421939283542020-08-11T17:52:31.245-07:002020-08-11T17:52:31.245-07:00@Archi
What is "Epigravette culture"?@Archi<br />What is "Epigravette culture"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-46714332334909834462020-08-11T17:40:29.312-07:002020-08-11T17:40:29.312-07:00A Balkans origin for the Villabruna clusters makes...A Balkans origin for the Villabruna clusters makes a lot more sense to me than it developing in Italy as Sam suggested. Why? Because the Apulian Gravettian samples Paglicci133 (34-31kya), Ostuni 2 (29-28kya), Paglicci108 (28-27kya), and Ostuni1 (27kya) are all Vestonice cluster individuals. So unless Vestonice-type people hopped over Villabruna-type people on their way to Apulia, it makes more Michalis Moriopouloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874041332836626074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71205623574670396742020-08-11T17:35:09.012-07:002020-08-11T17:35:09.012-07:00Well, they are dragging to Anatolia in vain, other...Well, they are dragging to Anatolia in vain, otherwise they are close to the truth.<br /><br />quotes<br />"from Early to Late Epigravettian material culture in a vast area ranging from the Rhone river to the Southern Russian plain35. In this broad context, the individual found at Riparo Tagliente denotes thepresence in the region of human groups <b>from Eastern Europe</b>/Anatolia, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com