tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post6923258669021960317..comments2024-03-28T10:03:24.453-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Y-hg J2 cannot be a Proto-Indo-European markerDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82759252940100340162016-06-05T05:32:27.446-07:002016-06-05T05:32:27.446-07:00Hey, Davidski. Why don't you watch the GOD DAM...Hey, Davidski. Why don't you watch the GOD DAMN VIDEOS instead of bitching.Pneumatikonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05135543740306228320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73826696986173101982016-06-05T05:30:16.096-07:002016-06-05T05:30:16.096-07:00I, on the other hand, have PROVEN that they were.
...<i>I, on the other hand, have PROVEN that they were.</i><br /><br />You're a fruitcake.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21562773820046938592016-06-04T20:46:32.136-07:002016-06-04T20:46:32.136-07:00Really? You know that for a fact? The jury is out ... Really? You know that for a fact? The jury is out on that, but most professionals I've read think they were. I, on the other hand, have PROVEN that they were. Pneumatikonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05135543740306228320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37235306352661124212016-06-04T17:13:24.400-07:002016-06-04T17:13:24.400-07:00Minoans weren't Indo-Europeans you idiot.Minoans weren't Indo-Europeans you idiot.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45643122530131767692016-06-04T17:01:42.033-07:002016-06-04T17:01:42.033-07:00My DNA evidence:
https://youtu.be/NNIIL_BocE0
My...My DNA evidence:<br /><br />https://youtu.be/NNIIL_BocE0<br /><br />My video on men with the J2b Y-Chromosome:<br /><br />https://youtu.be/SnGvqAimCLI<br /><br />My video from earlier this week, where I start to link the Minoans with the Romans via the Sea People. I'm uploading a quick epilogue in a few days where I explicitly link Minoan ideology with these Neolithic/Chalcolithic cultures:<Pneumatikonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05135543740306228320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8172530183340527162016-06-04T16:30:10.668-07:002016-06-04T16:30:10.668-07:00I'm not worried about the lack of ancient J2a ...I'm not worried about the lack of ancient J2a on the Steppe. We were there. Men with the J2a Y-Chromosome in Northern India are overwhelmingly Brahmin. Their closest relatives are in Serbia and Montenegro. The Thapa surname in Nepal is common in military families. Thapa men with the J2b Y-Chromosome are almost an exact match for men living in Montenegro. Millet strains in in Mongolia are fromPneumatikonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05135543740306228320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65739841619710935542016-05-04T04:07:56.389-07:002016-05-04T04:07:56.389-07:00@FrankN:
OK, I'm not sure the idea of an *ek...@FrankN: <br /><br />OK, I'm not sure the idea of an *ekwos word spreading in the earliest phase of IE spreading (but post-PIE split) is really convincing or logical but I guess, if it's soon enough, it can't be said to be impossible (even though I find it hard to admit the cultural/religious significance of the horse in IE cultures as a relatively "late" thing, and see it wagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13582568982610797947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7468208764151543742016-05-02T18:55:23.919-07:002016-05-02T18:55:23.919-07:00Oh and to make it clear why I want to know:
Becau...Oh and to make it clear why I want to know:<br /><br />Because some here claimed that there is blond people in CHG related populations.<br />So, do they have it because CHG is the source for European fair hairs/eyes aswell, or do they have it because they have a tiny bit of WHG/EHG anchestry?Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36262666619954829362016-05-02T18:53:37.895-07:002016-05-02T18:53:37.895-07:00@Krefer:
Yeah, but I have no interest in the lact...@Krefer:<br /><br />Yeah, but I have no interest in the lactose tolerance allele at all. My interest was, where the fair hair/eyes alleles originate.<br /><br />And I read in short summaries about that paper (wich I am too lazy to read) that Europeans have that one from "the HG", but what HG? You dont seem to know either.Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60452933657852348102016-05-02T09:52:43.141-07:002016-05-02T09:52:43.141-07:00@wagg: I feel you are getting a bit lost in time a...@wagg: I feel you are getting a bit lost in time and space. The P-/Q-Celtic sound shifts in question here were regular. P-Celtic evolved sometime before 600 BC (it is already evidenced in Lepontic inscriptions). The dating of Proto-Celtic is unclear. However, according to the Italo-Celtic hypothesis, both branches emerged from the Urnfield culture, which would place the split some time after 1200FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51898215851713164252016-05-02T05:13:19.157-07:002016-05-02T05:13:19.157-07:00@FrankN : about *ekwos.
Old Armenian is ONE lang...@FrankN : about *ekwos. <br /><br />Old Armenian is ONE language among many others (that have the exact same meaning) so it doesn't prove anything. Celtic and Mycenian don't prove anything either (there is no particular reason why the word should have undergone a specific sound change at this point on the specific consonant at this point in time)... as for 'asva' it's a wagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13582568982610797947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-4584030173609779212016-05-02T02:31:03.000-07:002016-05-02T02:31:03.000-07:00@wagg, CI, MIA
Horse: Most diagnostic sound chang...<b>@wagg, CI, MIA</b><br /><br /><b>Horse:</b> Most diagnostic sound changes date to the LBA/ IA. Proto-Celtic still had <i>*ekʷos</i> that only after the P-/Q-celtic splits developed into current forms. Mycenaian <i>ikkʷos</i> underwent the OGr. “Kw”-“P” sound shift to turn into <i>(h)ippos</i>. Satemisation in Indic was still in full swing between the Rigvedas and later Vedes. However, <i>aswa<FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-29791383346240462622016-05-01T20:46:51.363-07:002016-05-01T20:46:51.363-07:00No Its not the Indian one. No Its not the Indian one. Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83801726302338035722016-05-01T18:05:02.775-07:002016-05-01T18:05:02.775-07:00@Fanty,
Forgot to mention. A very high percentage...@Fanty,<br /><br />Forgot to mention. A very high percentage of people in SC Asis have the same LP-allele Europeans do. It's possible between 2000 BC and 2000 AD, like in Europe, it was selected for in SC Asia. It's also important to note the LP-allele wasn't selected for in all of Europe. SE Europe doesn't have a lot. Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8780227728100601312016-05-01T18:02:50.020-07:002016-05-01T18:02:50.020-07:00@Fanty,
Iain Mathieson blog, "Lactase persis...@Fanty,<br /><br />Iain Mathieson blog, "Lactase persistence and ancient DNA"<br /><br />http://mathii.github.io/review/2015/06/14/lactase-persistence-and-ancient-dna<br /><br />The earliest confirmation of LP-allele is from Bell Beaker. It also pops up in Bronze age Hungary, Unetice, Srubna, Andronovo, Late Neolithic Sweden, and Late Neolithic Ireland. It doesn't matter which Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86090427255824291182016-05-01T17:29:32.664-07:002016-05-01T17:29:32.664-07:00Rakhigarhi DNA results ae out? I hope it's tru...Rakhigarhi DNA results ae out? I hope it's true...la señora bibilonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14446006130319307036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87013615865286071742016-05-01T17:11:07.824-07:002016-05-01T17:11:07.824-07:00Nah, not from India just yet, but it should be pre...Nah, not from India just yet, but it should be pretty good.<br /><br />Give it a few more hours though.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-13313502439390499672016-05-01T16:54:15.691-07:002016-05-01T16:54:15.691-07:00@Nirijhar007,
"Something big coming up in som...@Nirijhar007,<br />"Something big coming up in some hours, are you ready?. :D"<br /><br />Ancient DNA from India :). Bet you $500 R1a-Z93 pops up in the Bronze age and there's lots of Andronovo ancestry in South Asia today. Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-91496767251897040612016-05-01T16:04:32.898-07:002016-05-01T16:04:32.898-07:00Has anyone readt that study that suposedly found w...Has anyone readt that study that suposedly found what populations are the source for some traits?<br /><br />I read it said that milk lactose tolerance trait originated in neolithic farmers, but was rare (possibly because there was no need for it) and steppe people would have needed it because of their culture, but did not possess it. Only the combination of steppe peoples food culture with Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22345243548480159482016-05-01T12:11:46.061-07:002016-05-01T12:11:46.061-07:00Thanks Matt for the explanation! I can buy that! S...Thanks Matt for the explanation! I can buy that! So it was in particular about this graph: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7571/fig_tab/nature15393_F2.html<br /><br />I see that the most spectular growth has taken place in Bengali. Chinese are on the second place. The population growth in Finland has been very moderate and not very high in England and Scotland either. Very Kristiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02994105875605082112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54309799550254356312016-05-01T10:09:44.091-07:002016-05-01T10:09:44.091-07:00PIE wool is *h₂wĺ̥h₁neh₂, it doesn't have any ...PIE wool is *h₂wĺ̥h₁neh₂, it doesn't have any connection to wheel. <br /><br />proto-aryan *herine-<br />Avestan *verina <br />Sanskrît ऊर्णा (ū́rṇā)<br />Hittite hulana<br />Armenian գեղմ (geġm)<br />Russian волна (volna)<br />Old Greek λῆνος (lē̃nos)<br />Kurdish(Kurmanji) hirîMfAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01624738204767039283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55734831981394790062016-05-01T09:13:57.785-07:002016-05-01T09:13:57.785-07:00@Frank
Words that spread after the break-up of a ...@Frank<br /><br />Words that spread after the break-up of a proto-language can in principle be distinguished from words present in the proto-language (whether borrowed into it or not) because they will not have undergone all the characteristic sound changes of each branch from the earliest stage. There is the possibility of etymological nativization, or the word may lack suitable phonemes to capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25010695284077805402016-05-01T08:48:48.910-07:002016-05-01T08:48:48.910-07:00@Aram
You are right. I just crtized the attitude...@Aram <br /><br />You are right. I just crtized the attitude on human history. Those racist "ideas" have ruled the scientific world for decades. But as you state white skin and light haired colours are the so frequent along CHG dominated populations. Gökhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00080085717667196486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66701657723120119952016-05-01T08:45:08.016-07:002016-05-01T08:45:08.016-07:00Some branches of J2 probably got "caught up w...Some branches of J2 probably got "caught up with" the IE expansion, but we don't know which ones yet. Clearly J2 expanded with the Neolithic revolution which probably brought it all the way to Central Asia as well as the Caucasus, Europe, and South Asia.<br /><br />And the biggest impact was on J2, not by J2. Meaning we see differentiation of the branches at around the IE expansion Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11148963981733232245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32523139877510375062016-05-01T08:43:34.245-07:002016-05-01T08:43:34.245-07:00FrankN: (about ekwos) "Such technical terms c...FrankN: <i>(about ekwos) "Such technical terms can spread more or less uniformly at any point in time, as, e.g., demonstrated by the Arabic alcohol."</i> <br /><br />Ridiculous. The root <i>ekw-</i> comes from a PIE root: all the IE words are derived as expected in every languages by the rules of change determined by the experts. <br />Anyway, how could anyone believe that the same rootwagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13582568982610797947noreply@blogger.com