tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post7068249390367126394..comments2024-03-18T22:01:02.498-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Commoner or elite?Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger165125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22318345124272065562022-09-13T22:18:24.137-07:002022-09-13T22:18:24.137-07:00Gedmatch thinks my grandmother is only 7.6 generat...Gedmatch thinks my grandmother is only 7.6 generations to MRCA for RISE98 Sweden from 3.7 thousand years ago...gotta love that random genetic recomb. Ellejayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00641209829912255803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34166320415506263252019-09-13T18:15:58.911-07:002019-09-13T18:15:58.911-07:00I'm waiting for someone to drop ancient aliens...I'm waiting for someone to drop ancient aliens theory from the way some of these comments are going...Leronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02439493552739670541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9475210879434459312019-09-13T10:12:53.263-07:002019-09-13T10:12:53.263-07:00@genh
This is what I get for German LBK:
[1] &qu...@genh<br /><br />This is what I get for German LBK:<br /><br />[1] "distance%=1.9816"<br /><br /> DEU_LBK_N<br /><br />Barcin_N,95.8<br />WHG,4.2<br />Yamnaya_Samara,0<br />Anatolia_EBA_Isparta,0<br />Anatolia_EBA_Ovaoren,0<br />Ganj_Dareh_N,0<br />Natufian,0<br />Morocco_Iberomaurusian,0<br />Han,0<br />Yoruba,0<br /><br />And this for the Peloponnese Neolithic:<br /><br />[1] Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47484790177624823602019-09-13T09:56:24.046-07:002019-09-13T09:56:24.046-07:00@genh
Careful. Small traces of exotic admixture i...@genh<br /><br />Careful. Small traces of exotic admixture in some few individuals are sometimes just noise due to poor data quality. Also, with Global25/nMonte it always matters what other populations were included in your models. <br /><br />My usual list of ancient samples to cover the basic variation in West Eurasia is:<br /><br />Yamnaya_Samara<br />Barcin_N<br />WHG<br />Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28089245191802093292019-09-11T09:50:21.498-07:002019-09-11T09:50:21.498-07:00I'm sure Iberians got their fair share of Roma...I'm sure Iberians got their fair share of Roman ancestry, more than Gothic for sure.<br />There were a lot of Roman veterans and citizens in the provinces since the times of Pompeius.zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38242750775994999832019-09-11T06:59:18.387-07:002019-09-11T06:59:18.387-07:00I doubt that all of Natufian in modern Italians is...I doubt that all of Natufian in modern Italians is due to Roman age Levantine admixture. Traces of Natufian using nMonte can also be found in Mainland Greeks, Albanians, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Bulgarians, Romanians, Moldovans, Bosnians, Croatians, and further north. Among the ancient samples traces of Natufians are also found in some Mycenaean samples, in some LBK samples from Germany and ǵenhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13206743786541746328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30775427563127019402019-09-10T13:51:30.021-07:002019-09-10T13:51:30.021-07:00Looks like there could be Roman Italian ancestry i...Looks like there could be Roman Italian ancestry in East coast of Spain.<br /><br />0.577"<br /><br /> Spanish_Peri-Barcelona<br /><br />Basque_Spanish,42.8<br />Italian_Veneto,39.9<br />France-like_Italy Medieval,13.6<br />Moroccan,3.7Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18556508261668490722019-09-10T01:54:05.450-07:002019-09-10T01:54:05.450-07:00I doubt the Phoenician-Greek South was as Northern...I doubt the Phoenician-Greek South was as Northern-Central European before the Imperial times, but lets see with what they come up.<br /><br />The more bird-like facial profile is indeed more common in the Eastern Mediterranean than the West. Its represented in Minoan and Mycenaean art and even more extreme in Hittites as you know.<br /><br />75 would be huge indeed.<br />zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90626071856973767012019-09-10T01:39:36.941-07:002019-09-10T01:39:36.941-07:00@Sam
I'm eagerly waiting for those papers. St...@Sam<br /><br />I'm eagerly waiting for those papers. Still, ABA admixture is much stronger in modern central Italy than the ultimately Natufian ancestry. Using my usual array of populations, I get 22.3% ABA in Umbria and 1.6% Natufian. In the Marche it's 20% ABA and 4.2% Natufian. In Lazio 25% ABA and 3.9% Natufian. In Tuscany 10.9% ABA and 2.2% Natufian. Of course neither Natufians nor Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67237940808669555862019-09-09T16:26:59.924-07:002019-09-09T16:26:59.924-07:00@Simon_W,
The ancient DNA teasers say Near Easter...@Simon_W,<br /><br />The ancient DNA teasers say Near Eastern admixture became widespread in Italy in the Roman era. Etruscans, Samnites, Umbri cluster together relatively near modern Northern Italy. Romans have a lot of Near Eastern admixture and cluster with modern Southern Italians.<br /><br />Looks like a big demographic change happened in central Italy when the Roman empire emerged. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8024333073289537422019-09-09T14:40:57.950-07:002019-09-09T14:40:57.950-07:00@zardos
"However, the question is from where...@zardos<br /><br />"However, the question is from where ABA ancestry came to Southern Italy in the first place. If it came f.e. via Greek islands or SEE, it would have picked up most likely local ancestry and this would mean a considerable replacement for places like Sicily and Calabria by Eastern Mediterrenaean/SEE people."<br /><br />I can't quite follow that thought. If ABA from Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8010991295056800762019-09-09T14:34:54.306-07:002019-09-09T14:34:54.306-07:00@zardos
But look, Iberians in general tend to hav...@zardos<br /><br />But look, Iberians in general tend to have positive chins and not overly thick lips, even though their steppe ancestry isn't much stronger than in Lombardy for instance:<br /><br />[1] "distance%=3.7411"<br /><br /> Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon<br /><br />Barcin_N,53.3<br />Yamnaya_Samara,29.9<br />WHG,11.7<br />Morocco_Iberomaurusian,5.1<br /><br />I do have Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-11927758343209816032019-09-09T02:14:12.367-07:002019-09-09T02:14:12.367-07:00What I don’t understand is, why they used no subcl...What I don’t understand is, why they used no subclades for I in the Dutch study. Might have been interesting too.<br />zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31022745379983377232019-09-08T02:45:38.914-07:002019-09-08T02:45:38.914-07:00Based on a Dutch study of the Y-DNA landscape of t...Based on a Dutch study of the Y-DNA landscape of the Netherlands.<br /><br />Tentative conclusion about R1b U106 and the influx of the Anglo-Saxons in migration time (early middle ages).<br /><br />The Saxons/ Chauci (mainly L47 and U198) are mostly represented in the eastern parts of the North Dutch area (Groningen and Drenthe).<br /><br />The Jutes (Z9 and Z18) are mostly represented in the weurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217998844540373877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59146164350839661402019-09-07T11:54:25.811-07:002019-09-07T11:54:25.811-07:00@Samuel Andrews
"Andronovo & its decenda...@Samuel Andrews<br /><br />"Andronovo & its decendants did become Central Asian horse warriors. But, the spread of Indo European languages in Europe had nothing to do with Central Asia or the horse or the wheel."<br /><br />Why are you so sure IE people in Europe did not depend on horses? We know horses went extinct in Britain and were reintroduced by the Beaker folk (who wore Survive the Jivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06884955487416706392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69164459913980754282019-09-07T03:32:54.894-07:002019-09-07T03:32:54.894-07:00I don't think that chins/faces being mainly th...I don't think that chins/faces being mainly the result of such relatively minor admixture differences, but rather bigger ones and selection, also from within the same ancestral people. <br />However, the question is from where ABA ancestry came to Southern Italy in the first place. If it came f.e. via Greek islands or SEE, it would have picked up most likely local ancestry and this would meanzardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24228661147637500662019-09-07T01:21:56.040-07:002019-09-07T01:21:56.040-07:00As for the new Italian samples in the Global25, it...As for the new Italian samples in the Global25, it really strikes me how much less ABA they get when using the Global25/nMonte method, compared to their ABA scores in Raveane et al. 2019!<br /><br />For instance, Figure 2D in that paper shows the different proximate ancestries according to the CP/NNLS method, and the South Italian clusters 1 and 3 are almost entirely ABA. And most North Italian Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5049861596097237532019-09-07T00:56:53.753-07:002019-09-07T00:56:53.753-07:00@zardos
Indeed, RIP.
Well, I checked my old note...@zardos<br /><br />Indeed, RIP. <br />Well, I checked my old notes on Allentoft et al. 2015 and there's a South German Bell Beaker with R1b-U152, RISE563. There may be more Bell Beakers with that marker, but probably none from older cultures, as it was the Bell Beakers who spread R1b across central and western Europe.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18698303674847608292019-09-06T01:02:33.902-07:002019-09-06T01:02:33.902-07:00Oh, I visited the site and saw it was down. Didnt ...Oh, I visited the site and saw it was down. Didnt know it was because of the owners death. R.I.P.zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48512184741812597892019-09-05T23:43:08.741-07:002019-09-05T23:43:08.741-07:00Ah crap, Davidski is busy with the Rakhigarhi thre...Ah crap, Davidski is busy with the Rakhigarhi thread.<br />You're just lucky Bronze.<br /><br />@zardos<br /><br />Good question! Jean Manco's site had a very useful regularly updated list of ancient yDNA, but sadly it's down since she's dead.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65252378558228269462019-09-05T12:44:15.340-07:002019-09-05T12:44:15.340-07:00Btw, related to Italians, whats currently the olde...Btw, related to Italians, whats currently the oldest aDNA sample for U152? zardoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818491540055232430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28400698444995537332019-09-05T08:50:45.914-07:002019-09-05T08:50:45.914-07:00Not even worth commenting Archie, Bronze's com...Not even worth commenting Archie, Bronze's comment is bound to be deleted within hours.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73082028116855915102019-09-05T08:37:55.569-07:002019-09-05T08:37:55.569-07:00@Bronze The Ravings Of A Madman. Full Nonsense.@Bronze The Ravings Of A Madman. Full Nonsense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76382336965720982412019-09-05T08:27:22.370-07:002019-09-05T08:27:22.370-07:00@samuel andrews
I understand blood is still drippi...@samuel andrews<br />I understand blood is still dripping from your pussy after getting fucked by a superior indian man.<br /><br />But youre factually wrong. The history of europe and south asia is parallell. Indo-europeans are not closer to europeans than they are to south asians at all.<br /><br />Yamnaya was not even remotely european, not genetically and not phenotypically. Andronovo are notBronzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04401880046015151556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21743024958677121482019-09-05T07:54:53.068-07:002019-09-05T07:54:53.068-07:00^^-paleo-Siberian- read paleo-Asian (all extincted...^^-paleo-Siberian- read paleo-Asian (all extincted)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com