tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post711836122086690118..comments2024-03-29T04:00:27.058-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: SMBE 2017 abstractsDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35093163879449767382018-04-24T08:52:34.138-07:002018-04-24T08:52:34.138-07:00Hello,
Sorry to post this here but I can't fi...Hello,<br /><br />Sorry to post this here but I can't find an email address to contact you - I've been using the Eurogenes k12 and other Eurogenes calculators on GEDmatch (along with the chromosome painting methodology outlined on https://dna-explained.com) and have noticed what appears to be a glitch – I keep finding bits of West African DNA in my Native segments (and, if I use other Sabrina Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11400436918656851803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65319377071942010562017-07-17T13:24:28.046-07:002017-07-17T13:24:28.046-07:00" these estimates correspond to admixture eve..." these estimates correspond to admixture events occurring at around 700 CE and 1300 CE, respectively, corresponding roughly to the Tang and Yuan dynasty in China."<br />----------------<br /><br />Possibly a sogdian infuence (sogdians are derived from scythian people):<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdia<br /><br />Previously, Ordos culture (a scythian culture) stelled in China:<Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-83796693424813811392017-07-03T15:44:06.991-07:002017-07-03T15:44:06.991-07:00Btw, all Razib and Skoglund are discussing this on...Btw, all Razib and Skoglund are discussing this on twitter now; confirms the signal relates to GoyetQ116-1, South Americans, Oceanians.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90711190983766458622017-07-02T16:13:03.314-07:002017-07-02T16:13:03.314-07:00@epoch
I think it gets even wilder than that. I&#...@epoch<br /><br />I think it gets even wilder than that. I'm putting together some stuff now.<br /><br />@Matt,<br />I'll get to those as soon as I can.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72277955452421061212017-07-02T05:01:50.982-07:002017-07-02T05:01:50.982-07:00@Chad
That is interesting. Basal in K14 is back ...@Chad <br /><br />That is interesting. Basal in K14 is back on the table in that graph. Fu et al, IIRC, stated that either all pre-14.000 ya ice age Europeans had Basal or there was gene flow between Asians and the Villabruna Cluster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39351754505729518302017-07-02T04:30:07.193-07:002017-07-02T04:30:07.193-07:00@ Chad, integrating Vestonice16 could be interesti...@ Chad, integrating Vestonice16 could be interesting, as I believe its the highest quality Gravettian and has results like Kostenki14.<br /><br />Btw, in case you could integrate it into your tree:<br /><br />Skoglund 2015 extended data figure 6b: http://i.imgur.com/rHQQOFU.png, showing an edge from proto-Onge related population into South America.<br /><br />Whole tree: https://pastebin.com/Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18204516453001867292017-07-01T17:25:30.729-07:002017-07-01T17:25:30.729-07:00@ Matt,
Sorry, I found one more unnecessary spot....@ Matt,<br /><br />Sorry, I found one more unnecessary spot. This one is where I sit right now. I'm tempted to add Bichon or Gravettians, just to see what happens. <br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B962TtPkX1YnVXFJZ1RVUFR2UEk/view?usp=sharingChadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55644406524786893062017-07-01T16:23:21.619-07:002017-07-01T16:23:21.619-07:00Actually, on second look at David Reich's abst...Actually, on second look at David Reich's abstract, his talk should be very interesting indeed.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35044923312203350892017-07-01T16:04:11.796-07:002017-07-01T16:04:11.796-07:00Thanks, Razib!Thanks, Razib!Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21388831227107297322017-07-01T16:00:00.616-07:002017-07-01T16:00:00.616-07:00i will be tweetingi will be tweetingRazib Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09555115542918519593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19220075203634764932017-07-01T14:12:40.098-07:002017-07-01T14:12:40.098-07:00@Chad, awesome, and great fit. Lots of edges, but ...@Chad, awesome, and great fit. Lots of edges, but many are at 0% and are need to allow the graph to accommodate slight variations in archaic ancestry.<br /><br />Looks like those outliers imply that Din Ong Ust Kos is around 0, and Kostenki14 has unusual low relatedness to Ong compared to both Goyet and Ust Ishim. Hence I guess why the basal edge in your second graph.<br /><br />Do you think it Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31780164093749189902017-07-01T13:53:56.909-07:002017-07-01T13:53:56.909-07:00Tree with no Z>2. Requires 4% Basal to Kostenki...Tree with no Z>2. Requires 4% Basal to Kostenki, as Asian to GoyetQ doesn't resolve the Din Onge Ust Kos stat. <br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B962TtPkX1YnNjZ3TWp1UTJwZWM/view?usp=sharingChadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3249915623798013552017-07-01T12:57:22.733-07:002017-07-01T12:57:22.733-07:00Interesting thing is no Denisovan to MA1 when you ...Interesting thing is no Denisovan to MA1 when you use Mez and Vin_merge for Neandertal, instead of the AMH admixed Altai individual.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52211950423363556812017-07-01T12:52:47.189-07:002017-07-01T12:52:47.189-07:00@ Matt and all
New tree, with these outliers Z>...@ Matt and all<br /><br />New tree, with these outliers Z>2.<br /><br /> Din Ong Ust Kos -0.000163 -0.005587 -0.005424 0.002257 -2.403 <br /> Din Ong Kos Goy 0.000000 0.004661 0.004661 0.002108 2.211 <br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B962TtPkX1Yna2F5QjhrZEpKU28/view?usp=sharingChadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21750512654149148372017-07-01T12:12:09.070-07:002017-07-01T12:12:09.070-07:00@ Davidski, What giants from Pomorze?
Stolem, no ...@ Davidski, What giants from Pomorze?<br /><br />Stolem, no doubt.:) Seriously, there is some similarity, I assume based on some sort of continuity during the late Iron Age/Great Migration period, in y-dna for northern Poland (Pomorze, Wiekopolska), and parts of Sweden and Finland. Wasn't there also a good deal of movement from Sweden to the southern regions of Finland throughout Medieval sdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015082997496819465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72222426062478083492017-07-01T11:56:54.322-07:002017-07-01T11:56:54.322-07:00@Chad
Check your anthrogenica inbox. @Chad <br /><br />Check your anthrogenica inbox. Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26021859411604379212017-07-01T11:52:34.612-07:002017-07-01T11:52:34.612-07:00@Andre
Wow, so it does seem to be the case that I...@Andre<br /><br />Wow, so it does seem to be the case that Iberia was demographically impacted by Berber populations long before Roman times. <br /><br />The more "middle eastern" nature of south iberia in their findings implies a greater proportion of Neolithic Levantine ancestry(presumably coming across Gibraltar). Makes sense.<br /><br />I'f be curious to see if there was any Anthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86416478417874954312017-07-01T09:26:33.878-07:002017-07-01T09:26:33.878-07:00Thanks Chad. Looks like something has gone serious...Thanks Chad. Looks like something has gone seriously wrong with the way I laid it out though - MA1 models as 85% ENA, 15% North Eurasian and Karitiana as 64% East Asian, 36% North Eurasian, and the drift lengths on all the ancient branches look seriously high (esp. MA1, Goyet, Kostenki14, while Ust-Ishim looks the same as in Davidski's model). <br /><br />I can't really make out the worstMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84598404028494826222017-07-01T09:07:02.601-07:002017-07-01T09:07:02.601-07:00Matt & Chad.
I am quite curious on the outco...Matt & Chad.<br /><br /><br />I am quite curious on the outcome of those, thanks in advance already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7297919704036119812017-07-01T09:02:39.099-07:002017-07-01T09:02:39.099-07:00Matt,
Used Mbuti instead of Yoruba, since I'm...Matt,<br /><br />Used Mbuti instead of Yoruba, since I'm running another tree at the moment. I'm actually working on a tree based on Reich & Lipson (2017). <br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B962TtPkX1YnQWdEeWxBVkdydTQ/view?usp=sharingChadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27176333708672858542017-07-01T08:25:07.199-07:002017-07-01T08:25:07.199-07:00@Rob
I can't say so much about the genetic as...@Rob<br /><br />I can't say so much about the genetic aspect because there are no Bronze Age ancient samples that far north in the Volga region. About EHG+CHG mixes, we know that those existed in eneolithic Samara and Ukrainian Neolithic didn't have as much CHG IIRC. So when CHG began to spread into EHG territory, did it move eastwards from Dnieper or did it spread along the Caspian shore?Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9046622726745223072017-07-01T08:09:50.390-07:002017-07-01T08:09:50.390-07:00@Matt
Maybe swap Kariiana for Surui as the latter...@Matt<br /><br />Maybe swap Kariiana for Surui as the latter has the most mystery admixture?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23782261516404788972017-07-01T08:03:35.342-07:002017-07-01T08:03:35.342-07:00@ Shaikorth
Thanks, but I was asking from a geneti...@ Shaikorth<br />Thanks, but I was asking from a genetic - population aspect (I know proto-Uralic comes before pre-Proto-Finnic, etc). A mixing of local EHGs & CWC-derived groups moving East from the Dnieper ?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87486188102965309302017-07-01T07:43:10.489-07:002017-07-01T07:43:10.489-07:00@ Epoch2013, yeah, as you say, it seems likely tha...@ Epoch2013, yeah, as you say, it seems likely that the relatedness of Tianyuan towards South Americans they describe is going to be connected to relatedness signal between Onge and South Americans, which Skoglund found.<br /> <br />Since they also mention that a 35,000 YBP UP European sample, presumably GoyetQ-116, is also displaced towards Tianyuan, I think it would be interesting to run those Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-5699350593008027702017-07-01T07:31:10.173-07:002017-07-01T07:31:10.173-07:00@Matt
The abstract mentions specifically that Tia...@Matt<br /><br />The abstract mentions specifically that Tianyuan has affinity to some South-Americans. That must be the mystery admixture that Pontus Skoglund found. It is found in Surui and Karitiana, but not Mixe. Don't know if the ancient samples have it. I don't even know if that has been tested.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com