tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post7259704182209072360..comments2024-03-29T04:00:27.058-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Economic overhaul + population shift in Late Neolithic IranDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87908847742483142932017-08-09T17:12:34.625-07:002017-08-09T17:12:34.625-07:00Interesting result here. It looks like there was a...Interesting result here. It looks like there was a fairly substantial admixture of IRAN Chl and Canaanites in the Southern Levant (Sidon and Jordan)<br /><br />http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929717302768?via%3Dihub<br />Matthew Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00595380522150008022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27461083820543647382016-11-13T17:14:15.652-08:002016-11-13T17:14:15.652-08:00There was no migration from Iran to the European s...There was no migration from Iran to the European steppe. <br /><br />You're out of your fucking mind.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73988432839560002712016-11-13T15:43:59.536-08:002016-11-13T15:43:59.536-08:00Davidski said...
" Iran_ChL is 63% CHG and 17...Davidski said...<br />" Iran_ChL is 63% CHG and 17% Iran_N in the paper. That's basically the results that I'm getting in my models. So it was an almost total replacement."<br /><br /><br />Except, CHG itself is highly Irn_N. Thus, that exchange doesn't make IRAN_ChL, or more importantly CHG, much unique from Iran_N. So as for being a "total replacement", that blogmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834163614642737338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72880536881184376672016-11-13T15:34:12.321-08:002016-11-13T15:34:12.321-08:00@Andrew
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"Obviously, this ...@Andrew<br /><br /><br />"@ Davidski<br /><br />"Obviously, this doesn't square too well with the idea of a Proto-Indo-European homeland in the Zagros Mountains of western Iran, does it?"<br /><br /><br />The notion of such a theory, to the extent that one presents a non-strawman version of it, would be that Zagros Mountains people have cultural and demic influences on blogmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834163614642737338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47568987681372574792016-07-07T09:16:56.219-07:002016-07-07T09:16:56.219-07:00Given that the two Iranian neolithic samples were ...Given that the two Iranian neolithic samples were R2a, there must have been some sort of genetic movement from Central Asia if we're to assume that Y-DNA R was from there.<br /><br />Anyhow, I agree that the Iranian neolithic group in Iran likely did encounter new comers from the west and mixed in with them (Which is what you call a replacement). But I also think that this specific group NBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17676616345913295352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81609296491671692922016-07-06T15:08:21.684-07:002016-07-06T15:08:21.684-07:00Ok, so modelling Onge as 100% Ami shows a much hig...Ok, so modelling Onge as 100% Ami shows a much higher distance, but all West Eurasians (with or without BEA, and India_South, Munda and ust-Ishim) get correctly fitted. The problem is that the East Asian populations get so overfitted that the distance become huge.<br /><br />So Onge is equally related to West Eurasians as East Asians are, but it's much less related to East Asians than Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41529851185352761122016-07-06T15:05:18.877-07:002016-07-06T15:05:18.877-07:00@bellbeakerblogger
Early Neolithic farmers in Ira...@bellbeakerblogger<br /><br />Early Neolithic farmers in Iran were direct descendants of local hunter-gatherers.<br /><br />But during the Late Neolithic/Chalcolithic they were largely replaced by a new population coming from the west.<br /><br />This new population was mostly CHG, and CHG is partly made up of EHG and/or something that is closely related to EHG.<br /><br />So there was no Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66904470721123609622016-07-06T13:58:28.150-07:002016-07-06T13:58:28.150-07:00It's not only that Onge takes away the Iran_N ...It's not only that Onge takes away the Iran_N and ENA from South Asian populations, the strange thing is that Onge itself takes Iran_N:<br /><br /> Andamanese_Onge<br />"Ami" 38.2<br />"Iran_Neolithic" 36.45<br />"Papuan" 21<br />"Israel_Natufian" 2.2<br />"Bougainville" 2.15<br />"Eastern_HG" 0<br /Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19292079134254996992016-07-06T10:00:39.701-07:002016-07-06T10:00:39.701-07:00Maybe I misunderstood. Did you mean CHG instead o...Maybe I misunderstood. Did you mean CHG instead of EHG? I didn't see any EHG in the numbers above..?bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77062247947717858162016-07-06T08:58:05.938-07:002016-07-06T08:58:05.938-07:00I'm not sure I understand where EHG came into ...I'm not sure I understand where EHG came into this, but if there were elements like this you could peel the banana... the proto-Halaf/Yarmin Tepe ceramic phase may have an origin in Southern Turkmenistan with a earthenware culture like Jeitun mixing with Kelteminar fishers (a pit comb ware folk) in the SE Caspian. (And if not these specific groups, similar groups and interactions between bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88665331107200105562016-07-06T02:41:16.321-07:002016-07-06T02:41:16.321-07:00rk,
Might do that later.rk,<br /><br />Might do that later.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40450434309588097322016-07-06T02:40:08.836-07:002016-07-06T02:40:08.836-07:00Armenia ChL is around 30% Iran Neolithic in the ta...<i>Armenia ChL is around 30% Iran Neolithic in the table, but had no CHG. IMO there is now way in hell that Iran ChL was only 17% Iran Neolithic.</i><br /><br />lol<br /><br />CHG is mostly Iranian Neolithic in that table.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76753262760433118542016-07-06T02:39:10.565-07:002016-07-06T02:39:10.565-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54013783291581428172016-07-06T02:36:14.867-07:002016-07-06T02:36:14.867-07:00Modern Iranians get much higher than 17%, when it ...<i>Modern Iranians get much higher than 17%, when it comes to Iranian Neolithic admixture.</i><br /><br />So what? If modern Iranians are mostly of Iranian Chalcolithic origin they'll still get a lot of Iranian Neolithic admixture, but it won't actually be admixture from Neolithic Iran.<br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-92084881216218891252016-07-06T02:35:21.597-07:002016-07-06T02:35:21.597-07:00Armenia ChL is around 30% Iran Neolithic in the t...Armenia ChL is around 30% Iran Neolithic in the table, but had no CHG. IMO there is now way in hell that Iran ChL was only 17% Iran Neolithic. <br /><br />http://i.imgur.com/KD76Iq4.pngFor the kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11512190546601297966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63705781567986285342016-07-06T02:29:14.899-07:002016-07-06T02:29:14.899-07:00Y-DNA G1 is pretty much restricted to Modern day I...Y-DNA G1 is pretty much restricted to Modern day Iran and parts of central Asia. I doubt that Iran ChL was 63% CHG and only 17% Iranian Neolithic. Modern Iranians get much higher than 17%, when it comes to Iranian Neolithic admixture. Just like the Steppe EMBA fit, the Iran ChL fit could be just a good statistical fit. For the kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11512190546601297966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70845460584789693882016-07-06T01:50:53.794-07:002016-07-06T01:50:53.794-07:00Iran Chalcolitic Y DNA
I1662 Iran Copper Ag...Iran Chalcolitic Y DNA<br /><br />I1662 Iran Copper Age J2a-PF5008(xL581) calls<br />I1674 Iran Copper Age G1a1b-GG372 calls<br /><br />G1 according one study has North West Iranian origin. It expanded from Iran to South Central Asia then to Central Asia. But not to Europe.<br />This particular branch reached India. But G1 is rare in India.<br /><br />Aramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05717857095182763668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40245974562478333722016-07-06T01:24:04.922-07:002016-07-06T01:24:04.922-07:00Onge are now in the rows in the D-stats datasheets...Onge are now in the rows in the D-stats datasheets here...<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2016/06/d-statsnmonte-open-thread-3.html<br /><br />They're too closely related to put them in the columns as well, but if anyone's interested...<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQZEs3azBGMUxCdzQ/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28784847940458229392016-07-06T00:00:26.763-07:002016-07-06T00:00:26.763-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45885798201344583122016-07-05T23:53:30.528-07:002016-07-05T23:53:30.528-07:00The Halaf people, or whoever moved into Iran at th...The Halaf people, or whoever moved into Iran at this time, may have already been a mixture of what we'd term as CHG, Levant_N and Iran_N.<br /><br />So in theory this may have been a complete population replacement.<br /><br />We have to work with what we've got now, but we need to remember that genetic structure is usually clinal, rather than discrete, so it's rather unlikely that weDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18851159025119253192016-07-05T23:46:11.647-07:002016-07-05T23:46:11.647-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75474316829288806552016-07-05T23:07:51.361-07:002016-07-05T23:07:51.361-07:00Fair enough
Very interesting Fair enough <br />Very interesting Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66625206967187854042016-07-05T22:50:01.362-07:002016-07-05T22:50:01.362-07:00Iran_ChL is 63% CHG and 17% Iran_N in the paper. T...Iran_ChL is 63% CHG and 17% Iran_N in the paper. That's basically the results that I'm getting in my models.<br /><br />So it was an almost total replacement.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38132107360039069922016-07-05T22:47:21.646-07:002016-07-05T22:47:21.646-07:00There is evidence. It's laid out in the latest...There is evidence. It's laid out in the latest paper...<br /><br /><i>The Chalcolithic people of western Iran can be modelled as a mixture of the Neolithic people of western Iran, the Levant, and Caucasus Hunter Gatherers (CHG), consistent with their position in the PCA (Fig. 1b).</i><br /><br />And it doesn't make any sense to assume that EHG somehow skipped over CHG and made it to Iran Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82940378605346251022016-07-05T22:43:09.524-07:002016-07-05T22:43:09.524-07:00The two needn't be related: ie seperate stream...The two needn't be related: ie seperate streams of admixture from levant and north, resp.. This a couple of different scenarios could account for what we're seeing, and on the basis of current evidence, there is no evidence to trump up one particular conclusion Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.com