tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post7685294321890730115..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Yamnaya dogs (?)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37652070513483185182016-08-08T19:14:23.510-07:002016-08-08T19:14:23.510-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20368424980047370842016-08-08T18:01:14.086-07:002016-08-08T18:01:14.086-07:00capra
interesting - there's even a video of i...capra<br /><br />interesting - there's even a video of it on youtube<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtwgGmSyt-0<br /><br />a smaller forest elephant but relatively speaking similar size i guess - guys in the video had steel spear heads but maybe they did it back when they were using stone?<br /><br />the main thing i was wondering about with regard to mammoth was getting through Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-22684805502256425412016-08-08T14:37:11.868-07:002016-08-08T14:37:11.868-07:00@Grey
Before the introduction of guns, Pygmies we...@Grey<br /><br />Before the introduction of guns, Pygmies were some of the most successful elephant hunters.capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-44774998054062416752016-08-08T11:52:37.648-07:002016-08-08T11:52:37.648-07:00no idea on the dog question except it made me wond...no idea on the dog question except it made me wonder - if you had multiple regional breeds of dog among various categories: hunting dogs, sheep dogs etc then the best one in a particular category may have won i.e. the best sheep herding dog breed at the time displaced all the others.<br /><br />#<br /><br />off topic random thought of the day - i wonder how much more force you need to get a stoneGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86828658560922561042016-08-08T11:32:51.676-07:002016-08-08T11:32:51.676-07:00@rk
You're over-reacting. I simply quoted Sko...@rk<br /><br />You're over-reacting. I simply quoted Skoglunds point.batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31512921727641170122016-08-08T10:16:43.985-07:002016-08-08T10:16:43.985-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54954521004602576122016-08-08T10:06:15.951-07:002016-08-08T10:06:15.951-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24192198479805516082016-08-08T08:58:53.839-07:002016-08-08T08:58:53.839-07:00rk,
Looks like Brahmins are from Sintashta.
http...rk,<br /><br />Looks like Brahmins are from Sintashta.<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQTDZPSTVEOVp1cUE/view?usp=sharingDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56847985422739002852016-08-08T08:28:27.984-07:002016-08-08T08:28:27.984-07:00"... the ancestry of present-day dogs is deri..."... the ancestry of present-day dogs is derived from multiple regional wolf populations."<br /><br />http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(15)00432-7?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0960982215004327%3Fshowall%3Dtruebatmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80179169685010805092016-08-08T08:20:51.845-07:002016-08-08T08:20:51.845-07:00But those ghost wolf populations aren't showin...But those ghost wolf populations aren't showing up as mystery migration edges (from basal roots) in treemix. Various ghostpop stuff does so for humans, so the dog tree seems less complicated.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70054139763638169722016-08-08T07:04:58.745-07:002016-08-08T07:04:58.745-07:00"We don't see migration edges from roots ..."We don't see migration edges from roots of wolf branches"<br /><br />Of course. And we don't see Neanderthal admixture edges into SSA humans.<br /><br />By extinct wolves, I mean entire extinct lineages. Not something more related to existing wolves than existing dogs. In fact, they should be more related to existing dogs, and you could only see them as a ghost population.Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75547137978083635102016-08-08T06:32:27.734-07:002016-08-08T06:32:27.734-07:00I don't think extinct wolves matter all that m...I don't think extinct wolves matter all that much. We don't see migration edges from roots of wolf branches or from between dogs and wolves or wolves and coyotes to significant dog populations (dingos and NG singing dogs may have some). Something like modern Middle Eastern wolves admixed into African village dogs and Basenji.Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28193603515204855152016-08-08T05:44:53.119-07:002016-08-08T05:44:53.119-07:00@Shaikorth
"At least there's enough data...@Shaikorth<br /><br />"At least there's enough data to say the dogs of southern East Asia are the most basal ones"<br /><br />There is enough data to say that the modern dogs of southern East Asia have the largest amounts of 'dog' diversity (excluding non-dog modern wolves).<br /><br />However, we still know very little about extinct wolf variation across Eurasia. The data Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68034567332725152312016-08-08T05:34:30.740-07:002016-08-08T05:34:30.740-07:00Possibly, but it's more parsimonious to think ...Possibly, but it's more parsimonious to think of it as influence from Central Asian foragers rather than anything from South Asia.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82156853663141042192016-08-08T05:11:03.821-07:002016-08-08T05:11:03.821-07:00"But I'm still seeing a triangle: Basal-r..."But I'm still seeing a triangle: Basal-rich, Villabruna-related, AG3-related."<br /><br />Is there something ASI-related in Hotu ?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63697771287379441532016-08-08T05:06:27.978-07:002016-08-08T05:06:27.978-07:00They went with the West Eurasia = quadrangle angle...They went with the West Eurasia = quadrangle angle: Levant_N, WHG, EHG, Iran_N.<br /><br />But I'm still seeing a triangle: Basal-rich, Villabruna-related, AG3-related.<br /><br />I'm guessing they didn't have AG3 when they put together the bulk of their paper, and MA1 was a bit useless in this context.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49034581446358586132016-08-08T04:52:21.118-07:002016-08-08T04:52:21.118-07:00Dave
"I'm not seeing any EHG in Iran Neo...Dave<br /><br />"I'm not seeing any EHG in Iran Neolithic or Iran Hotu. I'm seeing a sister clade to AG3 and a sister clade to Villabruna.<br /><br />Any stats suggesting EHG in Iran Neolithic/Hotu are an artifact of this combination of ancestrie"<br /><br />One would think that's intuitively most likely scenario. <br />Did the Lazarides et al. paper analyse using Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-84647850602372434342016-08-08T04:27:11.224-07:002016-08-08T04:27:11.224-07:00I'm not seeing any EHG in Iran Neolithic or Ir...I'm not seeing any EHG in Iran Neolithic or Iran Hotu. I'm seeing a sister clade to AG3 and a sister clade to Villabruna.<br /><br />Any stats suggesting EHG in Iran Neolithic/Hotu are an artifact of this combination of ancestries.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42367534407786949362016-08-08T04:21:37.275-07:002016-08-08T04:21:37.275-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-89031521802430484172016-08-08T04:14:53.652-07:002016-08-08T04:14:53.652-07:00At least there's enough data to say the dogs o...At least there's enough data to say the dogs of southern East Asia are the most basal ones, their position relative to other dogs in phylogenic trees (or TreeMix) rooted in various canids is similar to that of SSA relative to Eurasians in human trees. TreeMix with edges indicates this is not a product of admixture from wolves either. Shaikorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468485423355664299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21601947805424901262016-08-08T02:40:48.230-07:002016-08-08T02:40:48.230-07:00The comments on this post are so fantastic. It is ...The comments on this post are so fantastic. It is really great to hear the wisdom.<br /><br />So from what I have heard, we still have very little knowledge of where and when major dog admixture events occured. We don't know when and where they were domesticated. We don't know when or where admixture with 'wild' polulations of either wolves, or feral dogs, or hybrids occured.<br /Karl_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388217053237956318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-28799747747949233332016-08-08T02:29:22.302-07:002016-08-08T02:29:22.302-07:00rk,
Yeah, hang on.rk,<br /><br />Yeah, hang on.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-52545668629780165732016-08-07T22:13:43.964-07:002016-08-07T22:13:43.964-07:00Ryukendo,
Indeed this is only one dog sample and...Ryukendo, <br />Indeed this is only one dog sample and it would be unwise to make sweeping arguments for human movement based on it. <br /><br />The East Asian introgression into European Neolithic dogs is independent and earlier to the Indian dog introgression. It perhaps dates to the period when an East Asian genetic input occurred in European HG groups.Jaydeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336330713605021262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76703094040079922412016-08-07T22:12:32.420-07:002016-08-07T22:12:32.420-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56139465684207622602016-08-07T21:31:40.515-07:002016-08-07T21:31:40.515-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryukendo Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588546655427153692noreply@blogger.com