tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post8048763216925779868..comments2024-03-28T11:48:42.197-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Cypriot Y-chromosomes (Heraclides et al. 2017)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-59690193325588095062017-06-20T17:02:27.001-07:002017-06-20T17:02:27.001-07:00@ Joshua Lipson
"Principe at Anthrogenica s...@ Joshua Lipson <br /><br />"Principe at Anthrogenica says Y6923, the slightly larger of the 2 large Ashkenazi E-M34 subclades, has shown up in 2 Turkish Cypriots and 1 Greek Cypriot. Based on STRs run through Nevgen. Huge if true, as the subclade has otherwise only ever been confirmed in one Puerto Rican with possible Converso roots". <br /><br />E-Y6923 Y6935 * Y6942 * Y6928+29 SNPs Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7393163788615891682017-06-20T15:17:59.487-07:002017-06-20T15:17:59.487-07:00Principe at Anthrogenica says Y6923, the slightly ...Principe at Anthrogenica says Y6923, the slightly larger of the 2 large Ashkenazi E-M34 subclades, has shown up in 2 Turkish Cypriots and 1 Greek Cypriot. Based on STRs run through Nevgen. Huge if true, as the subclade has otherwise only ever been confirmed in one Puerto Rican with possible Converso roots.Joshua Lipsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315913670679395734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81551862933446008882017-06-20T13:27:39.976-07:002017-06-20T13:27:39.976-07:00http://www.anthrogenica.com/forumdisplay.php?22-Au...http://www.anthrogenica.com/forumdisplay.php?22-Autosomal-(auDNA)Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21961773856886944072017-06-20T09:22:06.997-07:002017-06-20T09:22:06.997-07:00Thanks, suggestions?Thanks, suggestions?Matthew Siwakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14355179560192729937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26823969748477917592017-06-20T07:08:35.803-07:002017-06-20T07:08:35.803-07:00@Matthew Siwak
You need to join a genetic genealo...@Matthew Siwak<br /><br />You need to join a genetic genealogy forum and have someone experienced in reading these sorts of tests in the context of genetic genealogy, not just population genetics, give you feedback.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86498943618479575042017-06-20T06:32:22.293-07:002017-06-20T06:32:22.293-07:00Thanks! I know its probably the wrong forum to bri...Thanks! I know its probably the wrong forum to bring these things to the table for help. Basically I ran the k13 model with my raw dna and came up with a heritage not found on ancestry or ftDNA. Amerindian. I also don't quite know how to read the model. Basically ive found my biological father who will be doing a paternity test but in the mean time disclaims the fact I'm his child Matthew Siwakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14355179560192729937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70928037636700810132017-06-19T21:08:25.270-07:002017-06-19T21:08:25.270-07:00@ EastPole
New paper on mtDNA
Thanks!
Historians:...@ EastPole<br /><i>New paper on mtDNA</i><br />Thanks!<br /><br />Historians: Slavs were a small tribe that suddenly expanded in the middle of the first millennium CE.<br /><br />mtDNA: Slavic population was expanding rapidly starting from 4.3kya, 2kya growth started to decelerate (Figure 2.).<br /><br />Clearly there is a conspiracy of Turboslavic nucleotides. <br /><br />Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87572674161010292672017-06-19T14:55:03.369-07:002017-06-19T14:55:03.369-07:00@Matthew Siwak
You'll find a lot of useful po...@Matthew Siwak<br /><br />You'll find a lot of useful posts, including one specifically on the K13, here...<br /><br />http://bga101.blogspot.com<br /><br />I can't add much to what I've already said there.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35722756923997338152017-06-19T10:46:34.794-07:002017-06-19T10:46:34.794-07:004 (1.2%) E-FGC18401 in Greek Cypriots (ID 123, ID ...4 (1.2%) E-FGC18401 in Greek Cypriots (ID 123, ID 127, ID 201, ID 239), the locations are unknown. Previously it's been found in a Greek-Cypriot from Amnochostos (NE Cyprus) at Voskarides et al., 2016. MfAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01624738204767039283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81116816510172021882017-06-19T10:23:56.268-07:002017-06-19T10:23:56.268-07:00@ Cypriot genes
I understand that it may be a que...@ Cypriot genes<br /><br />I understand that it may be a question of funds, and very likely you did the best you could, but we ask other answers from the tests now. I understand also your intention to demonstrate that Turks arrived later and Turks of Anatolia descend above all from previous people, but only answers at the deepest level of SNPs may be reliable. I tried to give some of them in my Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8827989069947967042017-06-19T09:52:21.693-07:002017-06-19T09:52:21.693-07:00Hi Davidski, could I email you a couple questions ...Hi Davidski, could I email you a couple questions in regards to how to read and understand the eurogenes k13 admixture proportions report? I'm very green to genetics and am trying to research something.<br />please help.<br />Thanks<br />Matthew @ Mrflyer2011@gmail.comMatthew Siwakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14355179560192729937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69910269437216344252017-06-19T08:42:56.722-07:002017-06-19T08:42:56.722-07:00Just a note from one of the co-authors to clarify ...Just a note from one of the co-authors to clarify some grey areas. The specific study comprised of 3 separate analyses involving the comparison between Cypriots (GCy and TCy) and surrounding populations:<br /><br />1. Y-STR data: Pairwise genetic distances (Rst)<br /><br />2. Y-STR data: Shared haplotypes (17/17 STR matches, AmpFLSTR® Yfiler®)<br /><br />3. Y-haplogroup data: Generally low Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00806692592866632753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57972082845816897252017-06-18T18:17:40.721-07:002017-06-18T18:17:40.721-07:00Needless to say, Y-STR analysis is vastly inferior...Needless to say, Y-STR analysis is vastly inferior to the Y-SNP one....AlexDeLargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16465103230909524944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76217527704476286022017-06-18T17:12:38.133-07:002017-06-18T17:12:38.133-07:00Sounds like you guys are exaggerating something. T...Sounds like you guys are exaggerating something. This is the quote that I highlighted in the post...<br /><br /><i>Overall, the Y-chromosome analysis performed, using both Y-STR haplotype and binary Y-haplogroup data puts Cypriot in the middle of a genetic continuum stretching from the Levant to Southeast Europe and reveals that despite some differences in haplotype sharing and haplogroup Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56687409486332603292017-06-18T16:38:42.799-07:002017-06-18T16:38:42.799-07:00moore: 3/3023 = 0.099% (say 0.1), not 0.9%, so you...moore: 3/3023 = 0.099% (say 0.1), not 0.9%, so your point is nearly an order of magnitude stronger.<br /><br />At that ratio, in 100 sample we'd expect ~0.1 matches, in 200 we'd expect ~0.2.. so getting 0 is *exactly* in line with expectations... the frequency in Israeli/Egyptians could be double that of Italians and we'd still expect 0 matches in sample sizes that small.Tobushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05529220083970625733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7232289602878369342017-06-18T11:41:14.149-07:002017-06-18T11:41:14.149-07:00A quick note on the stats of this study that I not...A quick note on the stats of this study that I noticed. <br /><br />They sampled 3023 Italians and 3 Italians had haplo similarities to Cypriots. 3, or 0.9%.<br /><br />Then, they sampled like 100 Israelis and 200 Egyptians, and were like, nope - didn't find any similarities.<br /><br />They then use this 0.9% similarity to make the rather sweeping conclusion, "Cypriots are mooreisbetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17522884275516185288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-92022303082742101062017-06-18T11:34:23.541-07:002017-06-18T11:34:23.541-07:00When people, including otherwise intelligent peopl...When people, including otherwise intelligent people and scientists, estimate the mechanisms for gene flow around the Mediterranean, they tend to greatly diminish the effects of Roman migration. I am talking centuries of OUTFLOW from the Italian peninsula: soldiers, merchants, and colonies. In this post, I explained how certain Mediterranean similarities are due to that outflow:<br /><br />http:mooreisbetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17522884275516185288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-60516302824205124542017-06-18T07:38:21.704-07:002017-06-18T07:38:21.704-07:00Completely useless study without any subclade anal...Completely useless study without any subclade analysis: haplogroups like J1 and J2 in Italy match the ones in the rest of Europe and are widely different from those of MENA regions. This hints that one single event spread those haplos and adddition basal Eurasian admixture in the European continent.<br /><br />https://yhaplogroups.wordpress.com/author/haplogruplar/<br /><br />Further quotes from AlexDeLargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16465103230909524944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-30502096675429118462017-06-18T02:02:01.676-07:002017-06-18T02:02:01.676-07:00We already knew that Cyprus had some samples of R1...We already knew that Cyprus had some samples of R1a-M420, perhaps YP4141, (and I spoke a lot about that), but that they are found only in Turkish Cypriots now and not in Greek Cypriots makes us think that they may have come recently with Turks.<br /><br />Samples HT169 and HT245.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24436793147035360442017-06-17T22:59:58.696-07:002017-06-17T22:59:58.696-07:00Of course this isn't the way to do an inquire ...Of course this isn't the way to do an inquire to-day in the time of the NGS. These haplotypes are tested for only a few SNPs and not all (some has been tested for only M343) and the attribution of the haplotype is based upon old calculators with pretty no meaning now, but I can say that only in Greek Cypriots there is an haplotype older than M269 (it seems that there isn't any R-M73): Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27837432210850345302017-06-17T17:21:22.389-07:002017-06-17T17:21:22.389-07:00Son of a bitch, I can't get access to those ne...Son of a bitch, I can't get access to those new mitogenomes. But I was able to get access to somewhat newly published Estonian mitogenomes. <br /><br />Right now I have a big collection of mitogenomes from Denmark, Finland, Sardinina, Basque country, Iran, Egypt, Pakistan, and now Estonia. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-87990542557640387222017-06-17T15:19:30.957-07:002017-06-17T15:19:30.957-07:00I'll post about that mtDNA paper later.I'll post about that mtDNA paper later.Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24616593289126721382017-06-17T14:07:50.543-07:002017-06-17T14:07:50.543-07:00New paper on mtDNA:
“Mitogenomic diversity in Rus...New paper on mtDNA:<br /><br />“Mitogenomic diversity in Russians and Poles”<br /><br />http://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973(17)30135-7/pdf<br /><br /><br />“As a result, we have observed an episode of rapid population growth starting from ~4.3 kya (95% CI: 2.9-5.8 kya), i.e. in the Bronze Age. This expansion strongly correlates with the Kurgan model established by archaeologists and EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67909739868315072032017-06-17T10:47:59.404-07:002017-06-17T10:47:59.404-07:00Whatever haplogroups are encapsulated in the "...Whatever haplogroups are encapsulated in the "Other" may have arrived with the Turks, as this seems to be mostly absent from SE Europe. The "Other" category also seems higher in the TCy sample.AWoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14966600445259901063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16671205944418565222017-06-17T07:39:44.389-07:002017-06-17T07:39:44.389-07:00Pamięta jeszcze tak niedawno obecność R1a w Norweg...Pamięta jeszcze tak niedawno obecność R1a w Norwegii tłumaczono sprowadzeniem Słowian przez Wikingów I1.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com