tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post8250918873194732641..comments2024-03-28T17:16:03.042-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Coming soon?Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36376347438841764242021-10-24T05:06:15.442-07:002021-10-24T05:06:15.442-07:00@ Matt
Interesting findings. Although I'm not...@ Matt<br /><br />Interesting findings. Although I'm not sure if these stats are driven by "the drift" alone. It may be that Mokrin was closely related to a population which has contributed to the modern day Balto-Slavs or that the position on WE PCA helps a lot in this case (compare with Ukraine_Eneolithic, which at least theoretically should be neutral).Arzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459843383682766479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12945307771121590702021-10-20T21:04:35.182-07:002021-10-20T21:04:35.182-07:00So Corded Ware Horses ALMOST completely lacked DOM...So Corded Ware Horses ALMOST completely lacked DOM2 ancestry. ALMOST is an interesting word. And Pre-CWC horses had LIMITED DOM2 ancestry. LIMITED Another interesting word.Ric Hernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069642772317562249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-47382648834614092892021-10-20T18:03:01.717-07:002021-10-20T18:03:01.717-07:00@MH_82
Well i though I did have a decent grasp, b...@MH_82<br /><br /><i>Well i though I did have a decent grasp, but thanks for telling me what to think<br />Good luck with your studies.</i><br /><br />Thanks.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27627610512310352802021-10-20T17:18:44.929-07:002021-10-20T17:18:44.929-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41699631126388434242021-10-20T15:39:22.940-07:002021-10-20T15:39:22.940-07:00@Yamz
That looks like very poor resolution study,...@Yamz<br /><br />That looks like very poor resolution study, they also didn't mention which software they used to make mtdna calls. Random L1 calls for those groups & that region is very unlikely to be accurate. Considering dozens of mtdna studies over the years has not shown this. I suspect those calls could be some kind of downstream mtdna N or W since they were not used for calls in Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06113544703187048334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24607732327917425612021-10-20T14:50:53.523-07:002021-10-20T14:50:53.523-07:00@Copper Axe
If so, then perhaps the cultural infl...@Copper Axe<br /><br /><i>If so, then perhaps the cultural influences from the southern steppe on Balanovo/Abashevo might've brought the DOM2 lineage with it.</i><br /><br />Yes, possibly, and this is exactly what the authors should have tested considering their other findings.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-20822737752272468342021-10-20T14:30:49.318-07:002021-10-20T14:30:49.318-07:00Yamnaya pastoralism did not spread horses far outs...<i>Yamnaya pastoralism did not spread horses far outside their native range, similar to the Botai horse domestication, which remained a localized practice within a sedentary settlement system2,36. The globalization stage started later, when DOM2 horses dispersed outside their core region, first reaching Anatolia, the lower Danube, Bohemia and Central Asia by approximately 2200 to 2000 BC, then Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77349001707358738672021-10-20T14:13:56.242-07:002021-10-20T14:13:56.242-07:00So what I took away from the article:
- Closest r...So what I took away from the article:<br /><br />- Closest relatives of DOM2 are found on the steppes, with Yamnaya and Yamnaya derivatives<br />- DOM2 likely originated in the Don-Volga steppes<br />- DOM2 brought behavioural selections with it<br />- DOM2 began spreading from 2200-2000 bc, prior to the proper chariot (proto-chariots existed) perhaps with early horse riding into Europe and Copper Axehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18151330482350752712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74222527380268722552021-10-20T14:04:16.919-07:002021-10-20T14:04:16.919-07:00@Simon_W
:D His style is unmistakeable. After rea...@Simon_W<br /><br /><i>:D His style is unmistakeable. After reading one or two comments, I knew for sure that MH_82 must be Rob.</i><br /><br />I only realized that MH_82 is Rob when a friend of mine informed me about it showing hard evidence. Before that I did not even think or suspect such a thing. I have not been following the discussions at the comment section of Eurogenes for quite some timeOnur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42365642428988372922021-10-20T10:50:41.722-07:002021-10-20T10:50:41.722-07:00@ambron, I'm not 100% sure where it came into ...@ambron, I'm not 100% sure where it came into existence (I think the Arza theory that it is from a HG subpopulation is very well explained with it being correlated with different HG rich samples), but yeah, I think the formal stats are very clear to me that it isn't something that is being randomly put into HG rich samples by PCA projection but is really there.<br /><br />@all; everyone Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19075217501617813042021-10-20T09:53:40.265-07:002021-10-20T09:53:40.265-07:00@MH_82
Nobody approached you for anything, and An...@MH_82<br /><br /><i>Nobody approached you for anything, and Anthrogenica is low -bar & irrelevant. You're not going to see anybody reference it. So you should stop imagining things about years ago just because I could not bring myself to 'respect' some clueless admins there. I speak it like it is. I was just making the point that your attitude has been shaped by it , but it'sOnur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63808629443333645792021-10-20T09:47:03.810-07:002021-10-20T09:47:03.810-07:00New horse paper is out: "The origins and spre...New horse paper is out: "The origins and spread of domestic horses from the Western Eurasian steppes" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04018-9<br /><br />Zlaty Kun had N* (a unique branch). The other Palaeolithic European M, unrelated to the Bacho Kiro branch, was carried by GoyetQ116-1 and a few others. These, both extinct, are the oldest attested subclades of mt hg M, but capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19553961647735419352021-10-20T09:43:11.810-07:002021-10-20T09:43:11.810-07:00@ Onur
"I did not even know you were Rob whe...@ Onur<br /><br />"I did not even know you were Rob when I wrote my above comments"<br /><br />:D His style is unmistakeable. After reading one or two comments, I knew for sure that MH_82 must be Rob.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80364709933041858592021-10-20T08:59:42.562-07:002021-10-20T08:59:42.562-07:00One of the oldest dates, about 5400 years ago, com...One of the oldest dates, about 5400 years ago, comes from a horse’s leg bone buried with a small child in a kurgan built by the Maykop culture at Aygurskiy, in southern Russia. Another early relative of the DOM2 horse was found at Repin Khutor, a site on the Don River that was home to the famed Yamnaya herders who make up a significant part of Europeans’ genetic ancestry. Some researchers had Vladimirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295200970474316683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37149835010431825952021-10-20T07:07:36.889-07:002021-10-20T07:07:36.889-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25332609310946293212021-10-20T06:58:46.685-07:002021-10-20T06:58:46.685-07:00I don't know anything about japanese pop genet...I don't know anything about japanese pop genetics.<br /><br />@maxT thanks. a lot of M* found in the samplesvAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36829701404285961862021-10-20T06:45:59.061-07:002021-10-20T06:45:59.061-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65639173103849595602021-10-20T04:45:17.608-07:002021-10-20T04:45:17.608-07:00@Max T @Ebizur @Vasistha Yayoi are current modern ...@Max T @Ebizur @Vasistha Yayoi are current modern Japanese, closely related to Chinese and Koreans.<br /><br />Jomon are ancestors of the Aino, if I’m not mistaken.<br /><br />So what’s the affiliation of the allegedly 1st wave of migrants, the so-called “Japanese HG”, who are they and where did they come from?<br /><br />And what exactly is the genetic affiliation of the Ainu?Andrzejewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348054679275572956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26078793878708496272021-10-20T03:23:16.979-07:002021-10-20T03:23:16.979-07:00@Ebizur @Vasista
Along with that 20,000-year-old ...@Ebizur @Vasista<br /><br />Along with that 20,000-year-old Minatogawa, I believe 45,000 years old Zlaty Kun female is also mtdna M*. HistAndaman sample from Mayar et al who carried Y-DNA P is also mtdna M* .<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />MaxThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920295419805648337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80585925142944281842021-10-20T02:36:34.608-07:002021-10-20T02:36:34.608-07:00@Yamz
"These results are congruent with a mo...@Yamz<br /><br />"These results are congruent with a model proposing an out-of-Africa migration into Asia, following a northern route, of early anatomically modern humans carrying pre-L3 mtDNA lineages around 125 kya, subsequent diversification of pre-L3 into the basal lineages of L3, a return to Africa of Eurasian fully modern humans around 70 kya carrying the basal L3 lineages and the vAsiSThahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812352482004389085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6990910455067524132021-10-20T01:00:26.697-07:002021-10-20T01:00:26.697-07:00vAsiSTha wrote,
"The oldest M* so far i beli...vAsiSTha wrote,<br /><br />"The oldest M* so far i believe is the teenage girl 5200bce from Leang Panninge.<br /><br />id:MN706602<br />id:MN706607<br /><br />and if these 2 are Bacho Kiro samples, which i think they are, then these 2 are the oldest M*.<br />https://www.yfull.com/mtree/M/"<br /><br />According to Fuzuki Mizuno, Jun Gojobori, Masahiko Kumagai, <i>et al.</i> (2021) ("Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10969097140926840153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-26981144130135042332021-10-20T00:27:47.635-07:002021-10-20T00:27:47.635-07:00@ Omur
''Also, I am neither a mod nor an...@ Omur<br /><br /><br />''Also, I am neither a mod nor an actively participating member on Anthrogenica for a long time and, like I told you before, I played no role in your ban from AG, so stop bringing up your personal issues with AG when discussing with me as if I am a representative of AG.''<br /><br />Nobody approached you for anything, and Anthrogenica is low -bar & Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41692726792924381942021-10-19T23:15:45.639-07:002021-10-19T23:15:45.639-07:00Matt
Thus, the Balto-Slavic drift is a real pheno...Matt<br /><br />Thus, the Balto-Slavic drift is a real phenomenon, not an artifact of the adopted method. The Balto-Slavic drift is not an effect to the admixture of the Baltic BA. And that's the most important thing.ambronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238484037682022972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-65168533720992622552021-10-19T22:37:28.105-07:002021-10-19T22:37:28.105-07:00@MH_82
Your 'runs' are in fact meaningles...@MH_82<br /><br /><i>Your 'runs' are in fact meaningless, because you have zero understanding of the demorgaphic background.</i><br /><br />You are criticizing me for the sake of criticism. Where have I said that my or Feldman et al.'s analyses should be interpreted literally? All I stated is that Feldman et al. did analyses based on the limited ancient genomes they had and I Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58966154248483658782021-10-19T17:31:56.693-07:002021-10-19T17:31:56.693-07:00@Vashista
It's due to internal divergences a...@Vashista <br /><br />It's due to internal divergences and genetic drift that took place in East Asia post splits. MaxThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920295419805648337noreply@blogger.com