tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post8292497267431276971..comments2024-03-28T06:57:44.006-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Balto-Slavs and Sarmatians in the Battle of HimeraDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger163125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-9017177158535632782023-12-11T05:34:16.641-08:002023-12-11T05:34:16.641-08:00The ancient G25 values have changed from when from...The ancient G25 values have changed from when from the original set. You upgraded them for a reason. <br /><br />Example:<br />Original<br />ALB_PostMdv:I14686,0.114961,0.152329,0.006034,-0.027778,0.024004,-0.007809,-0.00235,0.004846,-0.002863,0.022415,-0.001461,0.013938,-0.011744,0.005367,-0.028773,0.001591,0.013299,0.00114,0.009176,-0.007754,-0.009858,0.008161,0.000739,0.005061,-0.00467<br />Juguhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03924161078788233837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-77733328603179482362023-12-10T14:54:24.193-08:002023-12-10T14:54:24.193-08:00There's no new SNP method.There's no new SNP method.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19192749861032469842023-12-10T11:48:32.165-08:002023-12-10T11:48:32.165-08:00Hi Davidski, you have made made changes to prior G...Hi Davidski, you have made made changes to prior G25 coordinates because of the new SNP method, have the Himera G25s also been changed? If so, could please post the link?Juguhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03924161078788233837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35284169914731728252023-02-13T12:08:54.051-08:002023-02-13T12:08:54.051-08:00Given the presence of European E, G, Armenian(from...Given the presence of European E, G, Armenian(from the article) R1b, and Baltic R1a and complete lack of Scythian R1a, they were Greek Thracians and probably other Greeks from Anatolia. But this is not news and known already from history.<br /> <br />480BC is way too early for Slavs. They are not that old.<br />Also, there is no proposed connection of Slavs to Thracians - but there is proposed gLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16417137918897855948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-23418626549093339122022-10-21T07:00:17.906-07:002022-10-21T07:00:17.906-07:00DragonHermit said...
"I know it's not sup...DragonHermit said...<br />"I know it's not super scientific, but even Macedonian paintings showed them with light hair and light skin. We know at least Alexander was pale with light/blonde hair. Ancient Greeks were more Mediterrenean, and Aristotle described them with "medium brown skin"<br /><br />These theories again.. Thracians were also depicted as "red-haired and alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03426425578521933390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-74627642904058596332022-10-15T01:46:22.696-07:002022-10-15T01:46:22.696-07:00Good luck...
https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...Good luck...<br /><br />https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/Reitsema2022PNAS_Ancient_1240K.zip<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40502547001578908112022-10-15T00:10:25.339-07:002022-10-15T00:10:25.339-07:00@Davidski Hey! Very cool insights about the origin...@Davidski Hey! Very cool insights about the origins of those mercenaries. My query is about how did you convert the fastq or bam files to PLINK format? I'm trying to do qpAdm analyses on those samples, but I don't know how to convert them to PLINK-format so I can merge them with my dataset. It would dope if you help me convert them.Legendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10627118305529412017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76716045630925273902022-10-13T17:29:32.365-07:002022-10-13T17:29:32.365-07:00I think timeframe wise Proto-Greek relates to Balk...I think timeframe wise Proto-Greek relates to Balkan Yamnaya , but we should not be overly rigid because all these groups were still speaking late variants of IE, with branch languages eventually crystallising in their final destinations Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53533428361875751172022-10-13T16:32:08.389-07:002022-10-13T16:32:08.389-07:00I mean something like Greek splitting from Catacom...I mean something like Greek splitting from Catacomb on the western edge of the steppe and moving down into the Aegean.<br /><br />Worth taking a look at that in any case.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58891090227194717202022-10-13T16:21:18.830-07:002022-10-13T16:21:18.830-07:00@ Davidski
“ Greek might also be from Catacomb.”
...@ Davidski<br /><br />“ Greek might also be from Catacomb.”<br /><br />How would that work ? Catacomb wasn’t even in Bulgaria Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-8965085774480072652022-10-13T15:19:01.202-07:002022-10-13T15:19:01.202-07:00@Samuel
If Armenian comes from Catacomb, or rathe...@Samuel<br /><br />If Armenian comes from Catacomb, or rather groups derived from Catacomb, then yes, it's indirectly derived from Yamnaya.<br /><br />But Catacomb was quite different from Yamnaya. Much more militarized, and it may have actually forcefully replaced Yamnaya in much of the steppe.<br /><br />Greek might also be from Catacomb.<br /><br />This is the sort of stuff that should'Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-139779296009891462022-10-13T14:08:03.622-07:002022-10-13T14:08:03.622-07:00@Matt - you wrote: "I also do think that the ...@Matt - you wrote: "I also do think that the lack of Steppe_MLBA or CW related haplogroups in Armenia BA along with the finding of Steppe_EMBA related haplogroups significantly undermined the case that all living IE languages (and their last common ancestor) was developing in CW separately, particularly when in combination with the IBD finding. <br />Matt, your handle on this stuff is so LivoniaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589404219598229067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51825389283447114292022-10-13T12:41:35.155-07:002022-10-13T12:41:35.155-07:00@Davidski,
Catacomb comes from Yamnaya. So Armeni...@Davidski,<br /><br />Catacomb comes from Yamnaya. So Armenians' Steppe ancestry does come from Yamnaya. Samuel Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054267559597526866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-27257714166734675352022-10-13T11:47:49.234-07:002022-10-13T11:47:49.234-07:00There are some interesting Aryan names on Nuzi per...There are some interesting Aryan names on Nuzi personal name list like beda-arta (Veda-rta), Birya (Virya), su-matra, Purusa etcAssuwatama https://www.blogger.com/profile/09103619946493477587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17855987444425663162022-10-13T10:52:35.439-07:002022-10-13T10:52:35.439-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Wise dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04528558596323917503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-39320737383748306482022-10-13T10:13:23.163-07:002022-10-13T10:13:23.163-07:00So from where did Mitanni kings got their Aryan na...So from where did Mitanni kings got their Aryan names and Vocabulary scattered across various texts since somebody here claimed that sintastha ancestry and Iranian languages reached in that area only in Iron age around 800bce and later.<br /><br />Teppe hasanlu 1400bce are right on the doors of Mitanni realm.<br /><br />a-ri-ia<br />a-a-ri-ia<br /><br />There are 11 persons with this name from Assuwatama https://www.blogger.com/profile/09103619946493477587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-18663272376889281192022-10-13T05:36:11.973-07:002022-10-13T05:36:11.973-07:00All@
I once read that the catacomb culture had an...All@<br /><br />I once read that the catacomb culture had an influence on the later Bishkent culture in relation to burial rites, does anyone know more?Steppehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349098139546610777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31637493059018145422022-10-13T03:28:09.253-07:002022-10-13T03:28:09.253-07:00Are there better candidates for Hyperboreans than ...Are there better candidates for Hyperboreans than Slavs in terms of genetics and culture? Don’t think so.<br />If Hyperboreans who introduced the solar cult to Greece were Slavs, as it seems now, it would have an impact on linguistics and the history of religion.<br />For example scientists who were saying that Greek word ‘Eros’ has no etymology and is pre-Greek may be wrong and scientists who EastPolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385485387444006342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55939740899328907592022-10-13T03:22:42.494-07:002022-10-13T03:22:42.494-07:00@ Matt
'' I simply would say that he'...@ Matt<br /><br /><br />'' I simply would say that he's correct that the IBD links between CWC and Yamnaya did change our ideas of how closely related and in contact these cultures / samples must have been, compared to what was put forth before (separation perhaps over a thousand years earlier). I also do think that the lack of Steppe_MLBA or CW related haplogroups in Armenia BA alongRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57668528151321487122022-10-13T03:13:03.653-07:002022-10-13T03:13:03.653-07:00@ Matt
Im not 100% sure. I2c isnt really found in...@ Matt<br /><br />Im not 100% sure. I2c isnt really found in the Balkans. It's more of a Central-North European lineage. Was in Anatolia Neolithic, but dead end there.<br />Could be from RomaniaRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40926123778564457982022-10-13T03:07:37.631-07:002022-10-13T03:07:37.631-07:00OK, well that implies that the turnover from the i...OK, well that implies that the turnover from the initial migration in the EBA was even higher than the raw contribution of steppe ancestry suggests, and seems to me to increase the likelihood that this population was responsible for a change in language. Anyway, OK, I don't want to get too into the semantics of whether descent (linguistic or genetic) from a culture B, a descendent culture of Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-70397758056280515162022-10-13T02:46:07.683-07:002022-10-13T02:46:07.683-07:00@Matt
The Z2103 in Armenia is actually from group...@Matt<br /><br />The Z2103 in Armenia is actually from groups in the northeast Caucasus that are about 50% Catacomb.<br /><br />So I don't see how anyone can say that Armenians got their steppe ancestry and language from Yamnaya, while most Europeans didn't, because we got it from Corded Ware.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-80379274213909761562022-10-13T02:19:48.136-07:002022-10-13T02:19:48.136-07:00@Rob, re; I2c I guess if you could define a specif...@Rob, re; I2c I guess if you could define a specific link of the I2 subclades in the Armenian BA set to Europe and specific cultures in SE Europe (rather than being some unusual localized phenomenon of I2 without a recent link to Europe), that might be interesting and be able to prove more of a complex scenario than simple push from Catacomb or closely related culture. There are a number of I2 Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7435070110094182922022-10-13T01:46:47.147-07:002022-10-13T01:46:47.147-07:00@Davidski, the simplest interpretation is that the...@Davidski, the simplest interpretation is that the impulse derives from post-Yamnaya derived cultures. The argument that the Armenian language comes from a heavily diluted flow from the NW rather than actually the directly evidenced and impactful flow from the steppe that led to a big change in y-dna and autosome seems very difficult for me to credit. I'm not sure we'd accept it in any Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58018856892016578472022-10-13T01:06:07.250-07:002022-10-13T01:06:07.250-07:00"In terms of ancestry, even fine scale ancest..."In terms of ancestry, even fine scale ancestry, they're very similar, but are there any archeological links that would imply Novosvobodnaya ancestry in Kura-Araxes?"<br /><br />Here is a short 1-page quotes(different Georgian authors) on the similarities and comparisons of the Maykop, Kura-Araxes, and Colchian culture samples found in the territory of Georgia. For example, CeRcVahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05826784412387882616noreply@blogger.com