tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post8442722756510102893..comments2024-03-28T06:30:18.217-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Middle Ages: rotten time to be a spotted horseDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81644877209895314632017-04-28T04:05:20.650-07:002017-04-28T04:05:20.650-07:00https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurre Gurre ist ei...https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurre Gurre ist eine im heutigen Deutsch bis auf Reste verschwundene althochdeutsche Bezeichnung für ein einzelnes weibliches Pferd.<br /><br />Old High German for a female horseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01696218277901993104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-62427589352123227652016-12-17T01:38:59.726-08:002016-12-17T01:38:59.726-08:00@Nirjhar007.
I wasnt making a big issue out of it....@Nirjhar007.<br />I wasnt making a big issue out of it. Apart from the slight help it gives to the ever so mounting evidence to Lisboa origin for BB people. Help because at its origin point in I AD still spoke a language that was older then all other around them and all over europe. <br /><br />Will try to find a linguistic and spike him into looking for those words.... :)Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-54785675212825928492016-12-16T20:11:19.827-08:002016-12-16T20:11:19.827-08:00OM,
Thank you for citing the works . So we find t...OM,<br /><br />Thank you for citing the works . So we find the Lusitanian as another case where peripheral archaisms were conserved as I suggested earlier . Its also of course very interesting in some cases like Lusitanian has :<br /><b>ARIMO</b> – instr. sg. m. from *arimos “dignitary” or “aristocrat”, cf. Old Indic áriya- “man of the<br />upper caste”, Greek ¥ristoj “best in birth and rank, Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-35404027761348524152016-12-16T16:46:33.358-08:002016-12-16T16:46:33.358-08:00@Capra,
you are a non argument. because you do not...@Capra,<br />you are a non argument. because you do not really defend anything do you? Just try to find an "error" in others arguments to pick, pick, pick. Its your Anterior Cingulate cortex doing what it does, and that defines you, and really who cares?<br /><br />Gould be obvious the link. Just post a link to official classification of Languages. So, no, Lusitanian is not an offshoot Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-3625817884994419532016-12-16T16:13:24.475-08:002016-12-16T16:13:24.475-08:00@OM
For heaven's sake, can you not even say w...@OM<br /><br />For heaven's sake, can you not even say what at that link I am supposed to look at? Talking to you is like pulling teeth. capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-75459199029155326542016-12-16T15:25:06.374-08:002016-12-16T15:25:06.374-08:00@capra,
Sometimes things are what they are.
http:...@capra,<br />Sometimes things are what they are.<br /><br />http://multitree.org/codes/uieu<br /><br />it cannot all be Steppe fantasies.<br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-24184212162656558262016-12-16T14:28:56.559-08:002016-12-16T14:28:56.559-08:00@OM
So you only cited the sources which fail to s...@OM<br /><br />So you only cited the sources which fail to support your ramblings, but if I read those other sources, they'll totally support you.<br /><br />Sounds plausible.capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-53921298929842226582016-12-16T10:26:52.016-08:002016-12-16T10:26:52.016-08:00@Capra
"Your confirmation bias is off the cha...@Capra<br />"Your confirmation bias is off the charts."<br /><br />I've read, all 5 papers from Witzack, all from BLazek, read about 5 or 6 from Blanca Prósper (inclusive book online), read most of Peter Schrijver and I am still reading Portuguese Lusitanian experts (as you imagine there are many) at a rhythm of one a day. at least.<br /><br />you read 1 reference I give you (and Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-81746249654149618572016-12-16T10:18:06.053-08:002016-12-16T10:18:06.053-08:00@ Alberto.
...In this case?!? what you mean!? :)
@ Alberto.<br />...In this case?!? what you mean!? :)<br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-239092194938685052016-12-16T10:05:29.008-08:002016-12-16T10:05:29.008-08:00@OM
Thanks for finally citing your sources.
Bla...@OM<br /><br />Thanks for finally citing your sources. <br /><br />Blazcek: "The etymological and grammatical analysis of the lexical and onomastic corpus of Lusitanian, which is at our disposal, indicates that this language belongs into the circle of the Western Indo-European languages, with closest cognates with the Italic and Celtic languages, but undoubtedly different from them, capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90045531078148899352016-12-16T09:35:26.365-08:002016-12-16T09:35:26.365-08:00@OM
Thanks. At least in this case of INDI - AINDA...@OM<br /><br />Thanks. At least in this case of INDI - AINDA it's really not you to blame. Just a bogus comment by a real linguist. And if those can say such things, oh well...Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-45637882779800228342016-12-16T08:34:20.274-08:002016-12-16T08:34:20.274-08:00@Ebizur.
I confess my ignorance on linguistics so,...@Ebizur.<br />I confess my ignorance on linguistics so, go soft. My point is of reasoning!<br />I accept It must be me. But I don’t really get it. Again.<br /><br />Focus on the same 400 mile territory!. Got it ? OK:<br /><br />I am not trying to prove that Lusitanian is IE --- IT IS! Simple.<br />I am not trying to prove that Latin is IE --- IT IS!<br /><br />Secondly, I also know that Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32044621384360569902016-12-16T08:04:48.247-08:002016-12-16T08:04:48.247-08:00@postneo
... It would mean nothing.
Apart from t...@postneo<br /><br />... It would mean nothing. <br />Apart from the fun fact that it would be amazing if one could track some words in Portuguese that derive directly form IE lusitanian and not from IE Latin.<br /><br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33198636932425856802016-12-16T07:39:52.143-08:002016-12-16T07:39:52.143-08:00WITCZAK, another expert on lusitanian, has severa...WITCZAK, another expert on lusitanian, has several good works on Lusitanian language. Here he has a very good go on INDI.<br /><br />ON THE INDO-EUROPEAN ORIGIN OF TWO LUSITANIAN THEONYMS<br />(LAEBO AND REVE) by KRZYSZTOF TOMASZ WITCZAK<br />£ódŸ ----- Page 67.<br /><br /><br />Witczak has also a go on the relationship of Bell Beakers and Lusitanians. Naturally he has it backwards, like Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49221055812408901562016-12-16T07:38:58.846-08:002016-12-16T07:38:58.846-08:00@Alberto,
Regarding “INDI” and “AINDA”,
VÁCLAV B...@Alberto,<br /><br />Regarding “INDI” and “AINDA”,<br /><br />VÁCLAV BLAŽEK on LUSITANIAN LANGUAGE <br />https://digilib.phil.muni.cz/bitstream/handle/11222.digilib/114048/N_GraecoLatina_11-2006-1_2.pdf?sequence=1 –---- see page 9<br /><br /><br />Naturally I am 100% sure is something that also grew out of his mind. <br />Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-63413905955056958542016-12-16T02:02:39.809-08:002016-12-16T02:02:39.809-08:00OM,
Chinese 犬 "dog" (Mandarin quǎn [t͡ɕ...OM,<br /><br />Chinese 犬 "dog" (Mandarin <i>quǎn</i> [t͡ɕʰyɛn] ~ [t͡ɕʰyan], Korean /kjʌn/, Japanese /keN/, Vietnamese <i>khuyển</i>)<br /><br />Korean -ㄴ데 /-nte/ [-n.de] "and, but, so" (<i>e.g. nande, mun jom yeoreo jwo</i> "It's me, so open the door, please," in which <i>nande</i> may be analyzed as the 1st person singular pronoun <i>na</i> + a null allomorph ofEbizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31200295821264102512016-12-15T18:52:10.636-08:002016-12-15T18:52:10.636-08:00@OM
I don't disagree. But what if its true? w...@OM<br /><br />I don't disagree. But what if its true? what does it even prove?<br /><br />In general the genetic structure of conjuction seem fluid.<br /><br />The older sense of germanic and/und apparently was temporal in meaning e.g thereupon/after that.<br /><br />Conjucts in Hindi, bengali etc sound like aur/Ar which may have weak correlation with english other.<br /><br />Whereas postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7733663136362177222016-12-15T17:48:11.330-08:002016-12-15T17:48:11.330-08:00@OM
Which of the authors that you read says that ...@OM<br /><br />Which of the authors that you read says that <em>ainda</em> comes from Lusitanian <em>indi</em>? Do you have a reference for that?<br /><br />Because <em>ainda</em> is not a conjunction meaning <em>and</em>. It's an adverb, and if I'm not mistaken is often used in the exact same way as the Spanish adverb <em>aún</em> (meaning <em>still, yet</em>). And <em>aún</em> comes Albertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10924243765876609481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-21332190053982639662016-12-15T14:45:05.367-08:002016-12-15T14:45:05.367-08:00Nirjarh and Capra,
Guys. I understand what you mea...<br />Nirjarh and Capra,<br />Guys. I understand what you mean. However…<br />I see why we are having this difficulties communicating this issue:<br />So, when I talk about lusitanian I am not using “IF”. No, no, the first point to be clear is that according to all Lusitanian linguistics experts (Blazk, witczak, Prosper, etc) Lusitanian is an unclassified PIE language that predates PROTO (CelticOlympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10635262757330769442016-12-14T21:47:34.692-08:002016-12-14T21:47:34.692-08:00marathi(marAThI) uses "ANI" for and. The...marathi(marAThI) uses "ANI" for and. The capital N is a nasal retroflex. So its very similar to english/germanic "and" and different from equivalent words in neighbouring north indian languages.<br />postneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09364121752386612217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-12351665048129957192016-12-14T21:21:07.274-08:002016-12-14T21:21:07.274-08:00Yes, I think OM you should listen to what Capra su...Yes, I think OM you should listen to what Capra suggests . Also about Lusitanians , their geographical position is in the periphery and we do know that languages in the periphery usually show archaic features intact . A fine example can be the Lithuanians also. Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85066630000282100992016-12-14T14:17:14.022-08:002016-12-14T14:17:14.022-08:00@OM
Of course in principle looking for a Lusitani...@OM<br /><br />Of course in principle looking for a Lusitanian substrate is valid. But you aren't doing that, you are just throwing out random conjectures without any critical thought. Of course we are quick to dismiss nonsense.<br /><br /><i>Deus</i> and <i>egua</i> are completely normal developments from Latin, there is nothing special about them at all. I don't know the etymology of <icapra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-19847282140804820832016-12-14T13:06:33.515-08:002016-12-14T13:06:33.515-08:00@Capra.
Sure, not making much of it.
But you are n...@Capra.<br />Sure, not making much of it.<br />But you are not seeing the point. Completely. like many here:<br />Latin made Portuguese language. therefore I am looking for stuff that is not Portuguese/latin. Words that Portuguese do not really share with Latin (which is PIE) all over and does not replicate in Latin world. Mostly those that can be remains from Lusitanian. It should enthusiasm Olympus Monshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640679631703214884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-72675488044638993232016-12-14T08:59:25.428-08:002016-12-14T08:59:25.428-08:00@OM
Frankly I think you should stick with archaeo...@OM<br /><br />Frankly I think you should stick with archaeology and give linguistics a rest until you have a more solid basis in it. <br /><br />Let's look at some more fundamental vocabulary than horses and deities:<br /><br /><i>mãe, pai, irmão, irmã, filho, filha</i><br /><i>mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter</i><br /><i>*maḫtēr, *pḫtēr, *braḫtēr, *swesōr, *suḫnus, *dhugḫtēr</capra internetensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951755327460295070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88121077222928839832016-12-14T02:50:01.120-08:002016-12-14T02:50:01.120-08:00@Mark Maz: None of the standard IE etymological di...@Mark Maz: None of the standard IE etymological dictionaries (Pokorny etc.) includes any Slavic reference for <i>*(h)ekwo</i>. Proto-Slavic regularly shifted PIE "kw" into "k" (c.f. Lat. <i>quod</i>, Russ. <i>kak</i> "what"), which later, depending on vocalism and position within the word, might have undergone palatisation into "č" or "c". So if FrankNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292462554916779884noreply@blogger.com