tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post883256643721530419..comments2024-03-19T02:38:12.460-07:00Comments on Eurogenes Blog: Corded Ware as an offshoot of Hungarian Yamnaya (Anthony 2017)Davidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger401125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-82488812577566072882018-01-09T02:31:29.273-08:002018-01-09T02:31:29.273-08:00@Shah
Ah, ok. My bad, then. It's just that Sp...@Shah<br /><br />Ah, ok. My bad, then. It's just that Spencer is essentially the president of the identitarian movement in the US. As for Jorjani---I've checked and it seems they've actually cut ties a couple of months ago. <br /><br />It's hard to say whether it benefited in the long run as that can be a subjective matter, but I'd have to stress that, indirectly, there was aAnthro Surveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686104871694563174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66656175372315565962018-01-07T18:14:47.840-08:002018-01-07T18:14:47.840-08:00Yeah I was referencing RISE98 and mixed up the Bat...Yeah I was referencing RISE98 and mixed up the Battle Axe with the Single Grave there due to the geographic similarity.<br /><br />Although Manco's presentation of RISE98 is not helping here either especially if its erroneous.John Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09990356080157990093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-31389222401164961682018-01-07T14:23:14.659-08:002018-01-07T14:23:14.659-08:00@ John Johnson:
"Although, an R1b guy was fo...@ John Johnson:<br /><br />"Although, an R1b guy was found in the Single Grave Culture variant of the CWC."<br /><br />Really? I don't think we have the genome of any Single Grave individual yet.<br /><br />RISE61 is from Denmark and from Single Grave time period, but the Kyndeløse site on Zealand is outside the Single Grave area, and he is anyway R1a.<br /><br />RISE98, who is R1b Angantyrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10737729155560807904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-33749951096698718912018-01-05T16:27:15.399-08:002018-01-05T16:27:15.399-08:00@ Chetan
One thing to keep in mind is that archae...@ Chetan<br /><br />One thing to keep in mind is that archaeologists in the past usually drew genetic links to certain archaeological blocs as follows:<br /><br />Khvalnsk and Sredny Stog (contemporary)>Yamna (also Repin contributed)>Corded Ware<br /><br />Yes the burial right isn't exactly the same throughout this genetic link of cultural blocs though there are variables to their John Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09990356080157990093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-68774748749587315812018-01-05T01:28:44.839-08:002018-01-05T01:28:44.839-08:00@John The only defense against the inevitable is f...@John The only defense against the inevitable is for some people to claim that Sredny-Stog and the CWC were somehow not Indo-European to begin with. They claim CW spoke Uralic or some other language and was later partially Indo-Europeanized. <br /><br />It is true that Sredny Stog didn't have kurgan burials and nor did the CWC. Both share their burial rites with Cucuteni-Tryploye, flat gravesArchaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-79720679429128024982018-01-04T20:11:53.900-08:002018-01-04T20:11:53.900-08:00Although, Andronovo is actually R1a-Z93 rich as po...Although, Andronovo is actually R1a-Z93 rich as pointed out earlier and so Fatyanovo-Balanovo CWC may strictly be that as well. Still wonder what Western Yamna will hold.John Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09990356080157990093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57878775769386676732018-01-04T20:04:38.344-08:002018-01-04T20:04:38.344-08:00@Chetan
Yes, and Dimitri Telegin wrote of how he ...@Chetan<br /><br />Yes, and Dimitri Telegin wrote of how he saw CWC pottery types as directly derived from Sredny Stog. Although some traits apparently persist from TRB as Kristiansen had made note of. Regardless, there is still the curious matter that Western Yamna burials haven't been sampled yet. <br /><br />Given that the Fatyanovo-Balanovo CWC variant is connected to the the creation John Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09990356080157990093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-61726137841636932612018-01-04T14:09:38.731-08:002018-01-04T14:09:38.731-08:00@John Yes the more I think about the more it appea...@John Yes the more I think about the more it appears so. Sredny Stog already had the R1a M417 and archaeological traits that show up in the CWC. (corded pottery for eg although that seems to have been present in other steppe cultures as well). The final nail in the coffin will come when the Hungarian Yamna genomes are sequenced and determined to be predominantly, if not all R1b. I hope they do Archaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86995711393563644682018-01-04T08:29:28.345-08:002018-01-04T08:29:28.345-08:00Wow look at the crap not really relating directly ...Wow look at the crap not really relating directly to the topic here. <br /><br />Also, Anthony's paper sucks. Just thought I'd throw that out here again.John Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09990356080157990093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51549858949401922642018-01-03T00:58:49.149-08:002018-01-03T00:58:49.149-08:00@Chetan
BTW I really wanted to hear your thoughts...@Chetan<br /><br /><i>BTW I really wanted to hear your thoughts about the language spoken by the R1a foragers in the northern forest region. Was it pre- IE? Indo-Uralic?</i><br /><br />Now extinct Paleo-European languages, like the unknown, non-Uralic substrata in Saami.<br /><br />@Shahanshah of Persia<br /><br /><i>Were Vedic Aryans Asian then?</i><br /><br />Yes, they were.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-73665168220101812552018-01-03T00:27:06.079-08:002018-01-03T00:27:06.079-08:00@Davidski Were Vedic Aryans Asian then?@Davidski Were Vedic Aryans Asian then?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783059930095629402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-90055631389635851452018-01-02T23:38:28.959-08:002018-01-02T23:38:28.959-08:00@Davidski BTW I really wanted to hear your thought...@Davidski BTW I really wanted to hear your thoughts about the language spoken by the R1a foragers in the northern forest region. Was it pre- IE? Indo-Uralic? Archaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-58759991588998288112018-01-02T23:20:09.518-08:002018-01-02T23:20:09.518-08:00@Chetan
There's actually nothing to debate. I...@Chetan<br /><br />There's actually nothing to debate. It's already been decided for us, whether we like it or not.<br /><br />Where is the archaeological horizon called Yamnaya located? In Eastern Europe. Not one bit of it is technically in Asia.<br /><br />See here...<br /><br /><a href="http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/06/matters-of-geography.html" rel="nofollow">Matters of geographyDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-17404917916621675322018-01-02T22:44:52.369-08:002018-01-02T22:44:52.369-08:00@Davidski I still stand by my point but whatever :...@Davidski I still stand by my point but whatever :)Archaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6785583146969614452018-01-02T17:00:00.980-08:002018-01-02T17:00:00.980-08:00@Davidski Thanks, best wishes! Appreciate the repl...@Davidski Thanks, best wishes! Appreciate the replies. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783059930095629402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-86138790892466635002018-01-02T14:06:09.636-08:002018-01-02T14:06:09.636-08:00@Chetan
My whole point was it would be better not...@Chetan<br /><br /><i>My whole point was it would be better not to use modern ethic labels like European/Indian/Chinese to describe ancient humans.</i><br /><br />Again, your point is moot, because Europe is primarily a geographic term, not an ethnic one, while India and China are recent political entities.<br /><br />Yamnaya is an archaeological horizon that was geographically located in EasternDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-48407287542021027712018-01-02T13:47:55.250-08:002018-01-02T13:47:55.250-08:00@Davidski: If unadmixed Yamnaya people were still ...@Davidski: <i>If unadmixed Yamnaya people were still alive today, they'd be less of an outlier European population from the European average than Sardinians or even Sicilians.</i><br /><br />I'd have to disagree on this one actually, David.<br /><br />As far as I can tell from Fst distances, and use of the PCoA, the Standard Average European without weighting and applying all populationsMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-36413947438688671262018-01-02T00:32:52.456-08:002018-01-02T00:32:52.456-08:00@Davidski "EHG didn't come from Siberia t...@Davidski "EHG didn't come from Siberia to contribute admixture to Yamnaya. EHG are hunter-gatherers indigenous to Eastern Europe.<br /><br />Sorry I meant the ANE component in EHG. <br /><br />"Are you going to claim that Sardinians and Sicilians aren't Europeans?"<br /><br />Of course not. That was what I was telling Salden. <br /><br />My whole point was it would be Archaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69268102829613971842018-01-01T17:59:02.480-08:002018-01-01T17:59:02.480-08:00@Shahanshah of Persia
I don't have any detail...@Shahanshah of Persia<br /><br />I don't have any details about that.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-67152308597909384532018-01-01T17:29:10.998-08:002018-01-01T17:29:10.998-08:00@Davidski
Hey bro, could you please answer my inq...@Davidski<br /><br />Hey bro, could you please answer my inquiry about the Iran studies? You mentioned we'll get some, please elaborate if you know when and on what? <br /><br />Thanks. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783059930095629402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71179633898881153692018-01-01T15:40:36.232-08:002018-01-01T15:40:36.232-08:00Not according to this. https://www.academia.edu/...Not according to this. https://www.academia.edu/35551662/Discussion_Are_the_Origins_of_Indo-European_Languages_Explained_by_the_Migration_of_the_Yamnaya_Culture_to_the_Westjvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283765275775165180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-41946503617048889022018-01-01T15:02:38.646-08:002018-01-01T15:02:38.646-08:00Apparently EHG might be a mix of ANE ('ancient...Apparently EHG might be a mix of ANE ('ancient north Eurasians') and WHG.Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17386123430230365251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-57963261148719035172018-01-01T14:33:17.968-08:002018-01-01T14:33:17.968-08:00@Chetan
For instance, the EHG component of Yamna ...@Chetan<br /><br /><i>For instance, the EHG component of Yamna came from Siberia and the CHG from the Caucasus. Both not considered part of Europe. I am not denying that Yamna itself was located in Eastern Europe but you get my point.</i><br /><br />EHG didn't come from Siberia to contribute admixture to Yamnaya. EHG are hunter-gatherers indigenous to Eastern Europe.<br /><br />Apart from Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-1205107705484138262018-01-01T09:08:15.625-08:002018-01-01T09:08:15.625-08:00@Samuel Andrews For instance, the EHG component of...@Samuel Andrews For instance, the EHG component of Yamna came from Siberia and the CHG from the Caucasus. Both not considered part of Europe. I am not denying that Yamna itself was located in Eastern Europe but you get my point.Archaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-32370409727419166402018-01-01T08:57:15.352-08:002018-01-01T08:57:15.352-08:00@Samuel Andrews If you go by present geographical ...@Samuel Andrews If you go by present geographical definitions, then yes Yamna and associated cultures could be considered Eastern European.<br /><br />But is it really necessary though? Before people started dividing the world into continents, nations and regions, the earth was just one contiguous landmass (well Eurasia at least). What matters more is how Yamna relates to modern day populations. Archaeloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442251558517281095noreply@blogger.com