tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.comments2024-03-19T04:18:48.805-07:00Eurogenes BlogDavidskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comBlogger93694125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-10363131195069983752024-03-19T04:06:44.033-07:002024-03-19T04:06:44.033-07:00@tea, if you wish to read my recent thoughts about...@tea, if you wish to read my recent thoughts about Lazaridis's models in the Southern Arc paper, you can review the discussion between myself and gamerz_j in this comment thread from February 2024 - https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4123559132014627431&postID=5726989184238938979&isPopup=true<br /><br />How you have arrived as some strawman position that I am committing an "Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517454865405705885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55915407214725801772024-03-19T03:59:11.374-07:002024-03-19T03:59:11.374-07:00@ Jaakko
In light of this data, if it’s correct, w...@ Jaakko<br />In light of this data, if it’s correct, when would you date the proposed loans and interactions between Norse, Saami & Finnic ?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-88468699249949929082024-03-19T02:26:51.583-07:002024-03-19T02:26:51.583-07:00What is interesting is the large share of ancestor...What is interesting is the large share of ancestors from the Baltic BA source and R-Y35 among the Burgundians from Bornholm from the Roman period. ambronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238484037682022972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-6393437809642760522024-03-19T01:52:36.139-07:002024-03-19T01:52:36.139-07:00@Moesan
In the absence of written records we will...@Moesan<br /><br />In the absence of written records we will always move in quicksand and rather than certainties we will only be able to develop more or less convincing theories. The cultures of the Iron Age in France and Central Europe are uniparentally very heterogeneous and will not serve to solve the linguistic doubts raised. Italy could help solve the problem because north of the Alps, Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13538008318945547661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-34420225833556840762024-03-19T00:12:18.472-07:002024-03-19T00:12:18.472-07:00@Romulus
The history of the British islands is ve...@Romulus<br /><br />The history of the British islands is very similar to the Iberian one. The Atlantic connection remained uninterrupted from the neolithic until the Iron Age. The trade related to the Atlantic Bronze culture has been perfectly demonstrated thanks to genetics although there were no large migrations but rather commercial trips, marriages (exogamy), etc. This was also demonstrated Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13538008318945547661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49402383644282474402024-03-19T00:10:22.856-07:002024-03-19T00:10:22.856-07:00@All
I'm working on a blog post about the new...@All<br /><br />I'm working on a blog post about the new Germanic preprint.<br /><br />It'll take me a few days, at least, because I think there are some serious issues with this manuscript that the authors should correct.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-55809483240709599192024-03-18T23:36:05.218-07:002024-03-18T23:36:05.218-07:00@Romulus
Regarding the celtiberians, we have doze...@Romulus<br /><br />Regarding the celtiberians, we have dozens of urnfielders sites in Catalonia and the Ebro valley. From the material culture, Spanish archaeologists think that they entered around 1,100 BCE and had their origin in the RSFO. These are the proto-Celtiberians who spoke an archaic Celtic (first branch that separated from the common Celtic)-In many of these sites both inhumation andGaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13538008318945547661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-56454631417948472422024-03-18T21:52:07.486-07:002024-03-18T21:52:07.486-07:00Jaerl:
“He is speaking of language, or perhaps, di...Jaerl:<br />“He is speaking of language, or perhaps, dialect shift- 3 waves. Not exactly surprising when there were assompanying population shifts”<br /><br />There is nothing here contradicting with what I wrote about the Runic inscriptions.<br /><br />About his other views: he clearly believed at that time that Scandinavia was Germanicized very late, which is not the best argumented view Jaakko Häkkinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03088022045546791438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85049378944543297402024-03-18T21:47:38.626-07:002024-03-18T21:47:38.626-07:00@Matt
You made the choice to resort to a logical f...@Matt<br />You made the choice to resort to a logical fallacy and recoil when called out on it. I'm sure you disagree with thousands of comments on this blog every year but you choose to respond so I felt it was only fair to point out.<br /><br />Would you make your actual views clear? Specifically I want you to clarify what in the Southern Arc paper and the follow ups changed your mind? I&#Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15292429044464643281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-42437322454378767632024-03-18T18:22:34.447-07:002024-03-18T18:22:34.447-07:00@Moesan
The likely constraint on the traditional v...@Moesan<br />The likely constraint on the traditional views would be due to the relationship between Celtic and Italic. Regardless of whether Italo-Celtic is a proper node of PIE or if it is a <i>sprachbund</i> doesn't matter so much in this view. You still put Proto-Celtic's diversification anywhere from Central Europe to the coast of France because the Tyrsenian(Etruscan/Rhatic) and Teahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15292429044464643281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-38755473182433807072024-03-18T18:11:55.418-07:002024-03-18T18:11:55.418-07:00This Halstatt resurgance of Alpine, EEF-rich group...This Halstatt resurgance of Alpine, EEF-rich groups with 'Sardinian'-related (obviously now a misnomer) I2a-M26 and certain classes of G2a, almost recalls the old racial stratifications "Alpine' race, although they were often too broad & incorrect. <br />The classic textbook views of Halstatt being early Celts are challenged due to the age & divergence of Celtic-like Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-85544845597288821522024-03-18T16:43:08.440-07:002024-03-18T16:43:08.440-07:00@Gaska
The abundance of I2a-M26 in the Halstatt s...@Gaska<br /><br />The abundance of I2a-M26 in the Halstatt samples was interesting. This makes a nice connection to the only two Celt-Iberian samples in existence which were also I2a-M26.<br /><br />What are your thoughts on the British Isles? From what I remember of Patterson's paper non-Local P312 groups did play a the primary role in the Celtic invasion there. Romulus the I2a L233+ Proto Balto-Slav, layer of Corded Ware Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022650074050864850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-43230663002747007642024-03-18T14:57:46.101-07:002024-03-18T14:57:46.101-07:00@Gaska.
Nobodu may be sure of anything without old...@Gaska.<br />Nobodu may be sure of anything without old texts and witnesses but I doubt Celtic languages came from Central Europe, and as late as IA. It was older I think, or at least its proto-forms were spoke more westernwards. Hallstatt is not more considered as the ONE ethnic group thing, not more than was the too heterozygotous group of Urnfields of diverse depth of penetration and diverse Moesanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09071027942398975936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-37644203034054747202024-03-18T04:06:00.904-07:002024-03-18T04:06:00.904-07:00In the late Bronze Age we already have the urnfiel...In the late Bronze Age we already have the urnfielders and, as far as we know, the Unstrut culture (Thuringia...), 22 of the 25 men were identified as I2-M436>L38 and 3 individuals belong to haplogroups that betray an northern & eastern genetic inheritance: R1b-U106 (individual M9) and R1a-Y2395-Z282 (individuals M10 and M11)<br /><br />We also have a sample of R1a-Z280 in Halsberstadt, Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13538008318945547661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-69970593567966557662024-03-18T03:53:16.327-07:002024-03-18T03:53:16.327-07:00@ Jaakko Häkkinen
This is what Dahl writes, and...@ Jaakko Häkkinen <br /><br /><br />This is what Dahl writes, and sorry for long quote. <br /><br />''The language found in the later runic inscriptions (Late Runic) differs very markedly<br />from that in those written in the Older Futhark. It is highly questionable if a person<br />from the 11th century would have understood the speech of Hlewagastir, the author of<br />the famous Jaerlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08962385385822286634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-71710347868803594782024-03-18T03:29:39.797-07:002024-03-18T03:29:39.797-07:00@Romulus said-Unetice seems like it may only be a ...@Romulus said-Unetice seems like it may only be a candidate for the ancestor of Italo-Celtic and perhaps only Celtic <br /><br />& Rob said-PIE has a closer correlation with R1a and middle neolithic central European lineages like certain I2a and even G2-<br /><br />If we consider that the Italo-Celtic is linked to R1b-P312, the only Central European lineage that could have participated in itsGaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13538008318945547661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-66652256659043014022024-03-18T01:45:08.929-07:002024-03-18T01:45:08.929-07:00Joel:
“Jaako misunderstands and simplifies the Nor...Joel:<br />“Jaako misunderstands and simplifies the Norse character of early Runic<br />This was demonstrated by linguist Östen Dahl - The origin of the Scandinavian languages”<br /><br />You misspelled my name, Joel. ;) <br />And you misunderstood what I wrote. I have written that we can follow the development Northwest Germanic > Proto-Scandinavian > Transitional Scandinavian > Old Jaakko Häkkinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03088022045546791438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-76229064539189748282024-03-18T01:08:49.170-07:002024-03-18T01:08:49.170-07:00@David
I didn’t write that, I wrote that they are ...@David<br />I didn’t write that, I wrote that they are better than other Western HGs as a source that, when mixed with ANE, give EHG<br />https://postimg.cc/Fk7J29Cs<br /><br />but these "Serbia Iron Gates" relative to the Italian HGs are already mixed with northern Eurasians<br />https://postimg.cc/qtNSt67x<br /><br />but again the iron gate could be a mixture of Villabruna and EHG Арсенhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398822569341165342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-16453151925953586662024-03-17T23:24:40.036-07:002024-03-17T23:24:40.036-07:00@Арсен
Iron Gates Mesolithic is not EHG.
@Арсен<br /><br />Iron Gates Mesolithic is not EHG.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-40486842079575654392024-03-17T21:43:29.609-07:002024-03-17T21:43:29.609-07:00Better model
Target: Hazara:Hazara6_27Af
Distanc...Better model<br /><br /><br />Target: Hazara:Hazara6_27Af<br />Distance: 0.6035% / 0.00603528<br />53.4 Pakistan_Katelai_IA<br />25.8 Hungary_EarlyAvar<br />10.8 Mongolia_Arkhangai_LateMedieval<br />5.6 Mongolia_Arkhangai_EarlyMedieval_o<br />4.0 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG<br />0.4 Mongolia_Arkhangai_EarlyMedieval<br /><br />Target: Hazara:HGDP00104<br />Distance: 0.6663% / 0.00666254<br />26.4 Assuwatama https://www.blogger.com/profile/09103619946493477587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-51854182764032913182024-03-17T21:04:34.158-07:002024-03-17T21:04:34.158-07:00Avar admixture in Hazara people of Afghanistan?
T...Avar admixture in Hazara people of Afghanistan?<br /><br />Target: Hazara:Hazara6_27Af<br />Distance: 0.8372% / 0.00837220<br />53.4Pakistan_Katelai_IA<br />45.4Hungary_EarlyAvar<br />1.2Kyrgyzstan_Saka_IA<br /><br />Target: Hazara:HGDP00104<br />Distance: 1.7086% / 0.01708595<br />45.0Hungary_EarlyAvar<br />35.0Pakistan_Katelai_IA<br />20.0Kyrgyzstan_Saka_IA_o<br /><br />"In particular, Assuwatama https://www.blogger.com/profile/09103619946493477587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-7125985598909294702024-03-17T19:41:18.267-07:002024-03-17T19:41:18.267-07:00yes, Mesolithic iron gates, they are older than al...yes, Mesolithic iron gates, they are older than all Rus EHG, except PES001 and Sidelkino https://homeland.ku.dk/Арсенhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398822569341165342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-25395714146528577932024-03-17T18:37:35.286-07:002024-03-17T18:37:35.286-07:00There are no EHG proxies in the Balkans.
The hunt...There are no EHG proxies in the Balkans.<br /><br />The hunter gatherers there (Iron Gates) have some EHG-related ancestry, but they're mostly WHG.<br /><br />Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-78205540898537688572024-03-17T16:30:14.627-07:002024-03-17T16:30:14.627-07:00@Gio
Yes, I recently learned that in the Balkans (...@Gio<br />Yes, I recently learned that in the Balkans (Romania Serbia) R1b was present in the Mesolithic, this was a surprise for me, and these samples are the best proxies for EHG, I still have a lot to learn about Europe)Арсенhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398822569341165342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4123559132014627431.post-49488344567680184682024-03-17T16:04:05.105-07:002024-03-17T16:04:05.105-07:00good people, can anyone explain to me what the Glo...good people, can anyone explain to me what the Globular Amphora signal in the Andronovo culture is connected to? I have Sintashta Anatolia Afanasyevo Bronze Age of Turkmenistan as a source, but this Globular Amphora is present in every Andronovo sample, how did it get there? I even tried Corded ware as a source but it doesn’t helpАрсенhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398822569341165342noreply@blogger.com